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Beachwalker

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Are you still using the water bottle cover?
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How long did you have a dome on it? (24 hours maximum for seedlings, but best never a dome). If you just took the Dome off give it a minute and see if it greens up.

IF it doesn't start looking better in 24 hours I would flush it with 3x the volume, heat the 6.5 water slightly higher than room temperature and flush it slowly over the course of a half hour or more.

IF you do flush check the first runoff that comes out for both pH and PPM and post results
 
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Burnt tips and that stem is so dark. Do you know if the stem colour is genetic?

Looks like it could be hot soil or PH issues, from the soil. I would change medium if it were me. But wait to get further advice from these guys
 
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weze

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Beachwalker said:
How long did you have a dome on it? (24 hours maximum for seedlings, but best never a dome). If you just took the Dome off give it a minute and see if it greens up. If not I would flush it in 24 hours
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Dome was on for a little longer than that. Took it off here and there to inspect but that is all. Will let you know how she does. As for lighting am I okay using this LED. It’s about 130w actual draw full spectrum. Or is the 20w cfl good enough for now. LED definitely gives me a more optimal temp.
Tuckatan said:
Burnt tips and that stem is so dark. Do you know if the stem colour is genetic?

Looks like it could be hot soil or PH issues, from the soil. I would change medium if it were me. But wait to get further advice from these guys
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I have tested run off of soil from same bag with some ph’d water at 6.5. Runoff was about 6.34. I know it would be better to have it a little higher but but that’s not too too bad right?
 
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Tuckatan

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weze said:
Dome was on for a little longer than that. Took it off here and there to inspect but that is all. Will let you know how she does. As for lighting am I okay using this LED. It’s about 130w actual draw full spectrum. Or is the 20w cfl good enough for now. LED definitely gives me a more optimal temp.


I have tested run off of soil from same bag with some ph’d water at 6.5. Runoff was about 6.34. I know it would be better to have it a little higher but but that’s not too too bad right?
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I grow in coco, but the ph doesn’t seem terrible, though as beachwalker said the root could be in a hot spot. Or maybe the medium is a little hot. You could wait it out and see how she gets on in the next 24-48 hours, but that hella dark stem along with the burnt tips and stunted growth is showing an issue, and if it’s not your temp/RH/water PH etc, chances are pretty strong there is an issue with your medium
 
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Out of interest are you feeding tap/RO/rain water? I ask as I had issues previously when using tap, as my water was so hard, I had all sorts of lockouts
 
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Tuckatan said:
Out of interest are you feeding tap/RO/rain water? I ask as I had issues previously when using tap, as my water was so hard, I had all sorts of lockouts
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I am using bottle purified water with small traces of calcium chloride and sodium bicarbonate(I’m pretty sure this is pretty much baking soda). Tap water is pretty hard here too living in the middle of the city. I was reading saying leaf discoloration and purple stems can be due to a magnesium deficiency. Can this be possible using FFOF?
 
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weze said:
I am using bottle purified water with small traces of calcium chloride and sodium bicarbonate(I’m pretty sure this is pretty much baking soda). Tap water is pretty hard here too living in the middle of the city. I was reading saying leaf discoloration and purple tems can be duto a magnesium deficiency. Can this be possible using FFOF?
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You could get a deficiency due to your medium being too hot, locking out magnesium, or it could be that the root zone is too acidic stopping the absorption of magnesium.
 
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Maybe this batch didn’t have much earth worm castings in it so they just threw a bunch of wood chips in it haha. Just a wild guess for all this wood in it. Looking through this potting mix and finding actual twigs it seems like. The more I read up on it it’s seems that you pay for the brand not the quality as they have had so many quality issues. A good coco mix seems to be the way to go. So hard because I’ve talked to plenty off ffof users that stand by it. Maybe it’s just the genetics with this auto. Doesnt like the mix.
 
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Tuckatan said:
You could get a deficiency due to your medium being too hot, locking out magnesium, or it could be that the root zone is too acidic stopping the absorption of magnesium.
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Hmm, interesting about the hot spot. I know I should have planted straight in medium being that it’s an auto but tried to flush my 3 gallon pot a little and by the time the seeds were ready to be planted the medium still seemed to wet. Trying to avoid as much transplanting as possible due to the fact that it can cause transplant stress and she seems to be in enough stress. Just gonna ride it out. Have more auto seeds i can start once I get a better mix.
 
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weze said:
Maybe this batch didn’t have much earth worm castings in it so they just threw a bunch of wood chips in it haha. Just a wild guess for all this wood in it. Looking through this potting mix and finding actual twigs it seems like. The more I read up on it it’s seems that you pay for the brand not the quality as they have had so many quality issues. A good coco mix seems to be the way to go. So hard because I’ve talked to plenty off ffof users that stand by it. Maybe it’s just the genetics with this auto. Doesnt like the mix.
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You could always go get another batch of ffof and if it’s woodchippy go and return it. I’ve seen many many people have great results and no issues with food, you might have just been unlucky!
 
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Do you have a fan causing air movement? I would just let it run it’s course. Don’t water it too much. Seedlings should basically be left alone. Keep good temperature in your tent.

Here is mine. 2-3 days. Highs are 25-27C and lows are 22-23C.

This seedling was just lightly misted.
 

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H.A.F.

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weze said:
I am using bottle purified water with small traces of calcium chloride and sodium bicarbonate(I’m pretty sure this is pretty much baking soda). Tap water is pretty hard here too living in the middle of the city. I was reading saying leaf discoloration and purple stems can be due to a magnesium deficiency. Can this be possible using FFOF?
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Yes. FFOF generally runs hot. It is really too young to look at colors to try and determine deficiencies - you shouldn't try to add nutes or anything to fix it at this point anyway. If you have the ability, try their "Happy Frog" soil. It is not as volatile, and already has mico's and microbes in it that benefit root growth.

If you thin the FFOF out with some plain peat (not the Miracle-no stuff 'with nutrients') and maybe some perlite it will fix most of that.

For about $70 you can get a RO filter setup that is rated at 50gpd, and is supposed to last a year at that 50gpd rate. I don't use 50 gallons in a month, so it should last a while :) I did have to buy a pipe fitting to get it to hook up to a bathroom sink, but it comes ready to hook up to a garden hose.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LKF09IW/?coliid=I7OC3BE992BJK&colid=2GEB3TZOJW2LZ&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

My advice (opinion) is to ride it out until it is ready to transplant. You don't need to add much if any water at this point, and if you do it should be in milliliters, and just around the outside of the cup to make the roots find it. And NO NUTES! NO NUTES! NO NUTES! (get it? nukes? LOL)
 
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Tuckatan said:
You could always go get another batch of ffof and if it’s woodchippy go and return it. I’ve seen many many people have great results and no issues with food, you might have just been unlucky!
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Should of know ordering something like this off amazon. It was just convenient. Got all my nutrients (Flora series, calimagic, rapid start, and bud candy) my tent, light, smart ports. I mean literally my whole setup was bought in one amazon order all cane same day so that’s pretty much why I got it off there. Planning on upgrading to a quantum board led but need to get these basics down first. No point in that expensive ass light when there’s so much more to learn and experience.
Skoal said:
Do you have a fan causing air movement? I would just let it run it’s course. Don’t water it too much. Seedlings should basically be left alone. Keep good temperature in your tent.

Here is mine. 2-3 days. Highs are 25-27C and lows are 22-23C.

This seedling was just lightly misted.
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I have an oscillating fan blowing fresh air from the bottom of the tent(in front of vent). Have it set up to blow slightly on plant at the end of its rotation. Was told this promotes a stronger stalk/stem.
H.A.F. said:
Yes. FFOF generally runs hot. It is really too young to look at colors to try and determine deficiencies - you shouldn't try to add nutes or anything to fix it at this point anyway. If you have the ability, try their "Happy Frog" soil. It is not as volatile, and already has mico's and microbes in it that benefit root growth.

If you thin the FFOF out with some plain peat (not the Miracle-no stuff 'with nutrients') and maybe some perlite it will fix most of that.

For about $70 you can get a RO filter setup that is rated at 50gpd, and is supposed to last a year at that 50gpd rate. I don't use 50 gallons in a month, so it should last a while :) I did have to buy a pipe fitting to get it to hook up to a bathroom sink, but it comes ready to hook up to a garden hose.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LKF09IW/?coliid=I7OC3BE992BJK&colid=2GEB3TZOJW2LZ&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

My advice (opinion) is to ride it out until it is ready to transplant. You don't need to add much if any water at this point, and if you do it should be in milliliters, and just around the outside of the cup to make the roots find it. And NO NUTES! NO NUTES! NO NUTES! (get it? nukes? LOL)
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Thanks for the input will definitely looks in to these things. As far as perlite I thought ffof contained more or I would of got some. Definitely feel like this would help.
 
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I say let the plant be. Let the roots grow in the pot. That stuff takes 7-14 days to obtain. You don’t see growth over night.
 
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Beachwalker

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weze said:
Dome was on for a little longer than that. Took it off here and there to inspect but that is all. Will let you know how she does. As for lighting am I okay using this LED. It’s about 130w actual draw full spectrum. Or is the 20w cfl good enough for now. LED definitely gives me a more optimal temp.


I have tested run off of soil from same bag with some ph’d water at 6.5. Runoff was about 6.34. I know it would be better to have it a little higher but but that’s not too too bad right?
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No the runoff is perfect don't check it, it will make you crazy only check runoff when you see issues with your plants I agree with skoal above leave it alone, if it doesn't green up in 24 Hours come back and we'll talk about a flush then
 
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Beachwalker

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Man I’m not trying to be a dick but it’s what was in the bag. I don’t know. I have no reason to lie about it.
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Dude am I seeing rocks in that..? I can't believe that garbage! I don't know if I'm just lucky or east coast source for Fox Farms is sourced differently but I completely agree with you, that doesn't look great
 
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Beachwalker said:
Dude am I seeing rocks in that..? I can't believe that garbage! I don't know if I'm just lucky or east coast source for Fox Farms is sourced differently but I completely agree with you, that doesn't look great
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Yeah I kind of contributed to it by shaking the cup prior to water and planting. Think of forced all the course material to the bottom leaving all this garbage at the top. The soil in my 3 gallon pots look a little better but for sure it’s some low quality shit.
 
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Beachwalker

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weze said:
I am using bottle purified water with small traces of calcium chloride and sodium bicarbonate(I’m pretty sure this is pretty much baking soda). Tap water is pretty hard here too living in the middle of the city. I was reading saying leaf discoloration and purple stems can be due to a magnesium deficiency. Can this be possible using FFOF?
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Too early for deficiencies, if anything it's either the humidity caused by the Dome or it's in a hotspot (or both) assuming your pH meter is properly calibrated

Honestly you can drop a Seedling in cup of any kind of dirt and pour any water in it within reason and it should be okay for a while, so that's why I'm thinking hotspot, but yeah I give it overnight

Edit: flushing is not the worst thing in the world and I've saved two of three seedlings that were on hotspots by flushing, the third one I waited too long the key is don't let it go too long
 
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