Intelligent design

Volcanus

Volcanus

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ViRedd said:
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There is more than one way to attain that higher plane of enlightenment.

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I'm not talking about achieving enlightenment, I'm talking about reading the writings of the Buddha and attaining a better understanding of reality and how to be content with reality, period. I am not talking about the spiritual aspects of Buddhism and the pursuit of spiritual enlightenment.
 
Stoney McFried

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Well, it's pretty clear that humans are in the same family as apes, just as parakeets are in the same family as parrots.Only a fraction of the fossil record has been found,and as volcanus posted, there are transitional fossils that specifically prove the connection between prehistoric and modern animals of the same family.Man is just a matter of time.The evolutionary tree is just that...a many branched thing.Certain branches end abruptly;others go on.If you google cro-magnon and neanderthal,you'll see how VERY close they are to us.I think humans just want to think we're better or special in some way, and we're not.We're merely mammals and creatures of the earth,no better, and certainly not exempt from the rules that apply to EVERY other creature on this earth.And those creatures evolved.Watch Bill Maher's movie.:peace:
ViRedd said:
OK, I went through all of these sites that you posted, Stoney. None deal with Man's evolvement from lower life forms. One touches on the similarities of apes and Man, as do a lot of evolutionists, but the question that is never answered is, if Man evolved from the apes ... why do we still have apes?

And by the way, the controversy really is, did Man evolve from a lower life form, or was Man created by a Supreme Being, right? So, with that in mind, and assuming that the Evolutionist are correct, from where did the lowest life form originate?

Watch Ben Stein's movie.

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natrone23

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Evolution vs creationism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V_2r2n4b5c&feature=related

Evolution made easy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w57_P9DZJ4&feature=related

From the looks none of you guys have studied evolution long enough to even understand the basics because all your questions have been answered a long time ago there libraries full of scientific works on the subject, warehouses full of Fossils.

I don't even know why I bother posting links I know you guys will never actually watch them or look at all the evidence that science has compiled
 
old pothead

old pothead

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Stoney McFried said:
The fossil record and evolution:


http://www.agiweb.org/news/evolution/examplesofevolution.html
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/_0_0/lines_02
http://www.allaboutcreation.org/fossil-evidence-for-evolution-faq.htm
http://www.carnegiemuseums.org/cmag/bk_issue/2000/marapr/feat7.html

They do not show evolution,they show a individual species that they claim is in the process of evolution.How do they know different.They were not there to document it or any other human for that fact.They are pushing what they believe to be the truth, just like christians do.
Evolution does take time,but if it was still taking place we would still be seeing animals that are in the process of changing from a lizard to a bird or a ape to a man.All of the animal species have been well documented for 100's of years,why do we not have any new species evolving now.OPH
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Stoney McFried

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I give you the walking catfish.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walking_catfish
old pothead said:
Stoney McFried said:
The fossil record and evolution:


http://www.agiweb.org/news/evolution/examplesofevolution.html
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/_0_0/lines_02
http://www.allaboutcreation.org/fossil-evidence-for-evolution-faq.htm
http://www.carnegiemuseums.org/cmag/bk_issue/2000/marapr/feat7.html

They do not show evolution,they show a individual species that they claim is in the process of evolution.How do they know different.They were not there to document it or any other human for that fact.They are pushing what they believe to be the truth, just like christians do.
Evolution does take time,but if it was still taking place we would still be seeing animals that are in the process of changing from a lizard to a bird or a ape to a man.All of the animal species have been well documented for 100's of years,why do we not have any new species evolving now.OPH
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Volcanus

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old pothead said:
Evolution does take time,but if it was still taking place we would still be seeing animals that are in the process of changing from a lizard to a bird or a ape to a man.
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If you honestly expect that drastic of evolution to happen in a matter of a couple centuries then you really should read more about evolution. That's not how it works.
 
natrone23

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lol yeah evolution is a slow and steady process it doesn't happen overnight, The earth is 3.5 billion years old yes billions its a fact. dinosaurs lived 250 million years ago, All of human recorded history only spans 5 thousand years..........try contemplating how many zeros those numbers are!

It is true we were not there to witness it, just as crime investigators are not there to witness the crime, but with evidence those investigators are able to piece together what happened and solve the crime.
 
fat sam

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the whole idea of intelligent design is bunk, because the bible says the earth is only 4 thousand years old and i hope everyone knows what a crock of shit that is
 
ViRedd

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Today is President Lincoln's birthday. He was born exactly 200 years ago. Today is also Charles Darwin's birthday. He too was born 200 years ago. Two-hundred years ago, medical scientists thought that the most viable way to cure diseases was to apply leaches to the body and drain blood from their patients.

Vi
 
bunghole

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ViRedd said:
Today is President Lincoln's birthday. He was born exactly 200 years ago. Today is also Charles Darwin's birthday. He too was born 200 years ago. Two-hundred years ago, medical scientists thought that the most viable way to cure diseases was to apply leaches to the body and drain blood from their patients.

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That's a straw man argument. It doesn't invalidate evolutionary theory.
 
Stoney McFried

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Yeah, just shows how far we've advanced since the dark ages there,both technologically and theologically... gone a long way toward disproving religious bunk and getting down to facts.
ViRedd said:
Today is President Lincoln's birthday. He was born exactly 200 years ago. Today is also Charles Darwin's birthday. He too was born 200 years ago. Two-hundred years ago, medical scientists thought that the most viable way to cure diseases was to apply leaches to the body and drain blood from their patients.

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medicineman

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In biology, evolution is change in the inherited traits of a population of organisms from one generation to the next. These changes are caused by a combination of three main processes: variation, reproduction, and selection. Genes that are passed on to an organism's offspring produce the inherited traits that are the basis of evolution. These traits vary within populations, with organisms showing heritable differences in their traits. When organisms reproduce, their offspring may have new or altered traits. These new traits arise in two main ways: either from mutations in genes, or from the transfer of genes between populations and between species. In species that reproduce sexually, new combinations of genes are also produced by genetic recombination, which can increase variation between organisms. Evolution occurs when these heritable differences become more common or rare in a population.

Now that biological evolution has been explained, let me insert the Bibles theories in general terms:
About 6,000 years ago, give or take a thousand, although I believe one could pinpoint it if he were to take the time, Adam and Eve were "created" in the garden of Eden, somewwhere around modern day Iraq. Does that mean he (God) took a monkey and installed a soul? I don't think so. Is the eating of the fruit of a tree with a talking snake a litteral rendering of the facts? I don't think so. One could come away with all sorts of variables on this story. Here's my take: About 6,000 years ago, some beings from the universe landed on this planet and scoped it out. Seeing that there were no examples of the master, they took the highest life form at the time, the great apes or standing upright simians and instilled a soul, up graded their intelligence and shaved their bodies, voila, a human species. The rest is history. As far as that good and evil thing, when Kane slayed Able, that pretty much sent the evil shit on its path and the good, well it's still pretty much up in the air.
Does anyone really believe the egyptians really jockeyed those 4-8 ton blocks up the pyramids on skids, or that the natives built Macu-Pichu with picks and hammers and moved those 6-8 ton blocks into place on top of that mountain with such precision? There was a force still unknown to us that lifted those giant blocks into place and carried them from the quarry to their final resting place, yeah I know, conspiracy theory, so what, if you believe they did all this with hand tools and logs for skids, I find that to unintelligible to even be considered.
 
Volcanus

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ViRedd said:
Today is President Lincoln's birthday. He was born exactly 200 years ago. Today is also Charles Darwin's birthday. He too was born 200 years ago. Two-hundred years ago, medical scientists thought that the most viable way to cure diseases was to apply leaches to the body and drain blood from their patients.

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That would be a good argument but to bad the theory of evolution is still being accepted because it has still remained valid even with all the advances and all of the new incoming data; it's still being proved true.
 
Volcanus

Volcanus

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medicineman said:
Now that biological evolution has been explained, let me insert the Bibles theories in general terms:
About 6,000 years ago, give or take a thousand, although I believe one could pinpoint it if he were to take the time, Adam and Eve were "created" in the garden of Eden, somewwhere around modern day Iraq. Does that mean he (God) took a monkey and installed a soul? I don't think so. Is the eating of the fruit of a tree with a talking snake a litteral rendering of the facts? I don't think so. One could come away with all sorts of variables on this story. Here's my take: About 6,000 years ago, some beings from the universe landed on this planet and scoped it out. Seeing that there were no examples of the master, they took the highest life form at the time, the great apes or standing upright simians and instilled a soul, up graded their intelligence and shaved their bodies, voila, a human species. The rest is history. As far as that good and evil thing, when Kane slayed Able, that pretty much sent the evil shit on its path and the good, well it's still pretty much up in the air. Does anyone really believe the egyptians really jockeyed those 4-8 ton blocks up the pyramids on skids, or that the natives built Macu-Pichu with picks and hammers and moved those 6-8 ton blocks into place on top of that mountain with such precision? There was a force still unknown to us that lifted those giant blocks into place and carried them from the quarry to their final resting place, yeah I know, conspiracy theory, so what, if you believe they did all this with hand tools and logs for skids, I find that to unintelligible to even be considered.
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So let me get this straight and don't take any offense to what I am about to say. You believe aliens or intelligent beings from somewhere else in our universe installed a soul into the human species, upgraded our intelligence and so on?

As for the Egyptians building the pyramids yes, I believe that is what happened, why? Because archeologists and other various professionals have seen examples and have tested various tools, pulley systems and so forth and have found that it is possible (using only resources the ancients would have access to) to do the things they did and have tested their theories. Ever watch the history channel? I mean you don’t even need a PHD to realize that it’s absolutely amazing what you can accomplish using simple machines.

Same thing with the Mayans and other ancient peoples, it was possible to do the things they did and to have the knowledge that they did.

Furthermore I would like to pose a question to you, what empirical evidence do you have to support your theory?
 
TheBrutalTruth

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Volcanus said:
So let me get this straight and don't take any offense to what I am about to say. You believe aliens or intelligent beings from somewhere else in our universe installed a soul into the human species, upgraded our intelligence and so on?

As for the Egyptians building the pyramids yes, I believe that is what happened, why? Because archeologists and other various professionals have seen examples and have tested various tools, pulley systems and so forth and have found that it is possible (using only resources the ancients would have access to) to do the things they did and have tested their theories. Ever watch the history channel? I mean you don’t even need a PHD to realize that it’s absolutely amazing what you can accomplish using simple machines.

Same thing with the Mayans and other ancient peoples, it was possible to do the things they did and to have the knowledge that they did.

Furthermore I would like to pose a question to you, what empirical evidence do you have to support your theory?
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The same can be asked of you. What empirical evidence, besides the theorized possibility that the Egyptians and Mayans were able to build their temples with human labor alone using technology that they would have potentially had access to?

Was there any one alive back then that can actually verify that they did indeed build the pyramids that way?

Or that the Mayans did indeed build their temples that way?

The problem with historic anthropology is that it is mostly speculation and very little fact.

I'm not defending the religious extremists who believe that the Earth is 6,000 years old. That's also speculation based on very little fact. The most that they can be given is that recorded history is +/- 6,000 years old. What they fail to explain is where God came from, and what he was doing before he created the Universe.

Of course Evolution also fails when it comes to explaining with empirical proof about how life came to arise out of non-life. The entire theory of non-life bringing about life has been disproven, because at one point people believed that maggots magically generated out of decaying matter. We have learned, since then, that maggots are fly larva and hatch from fly eggs.

Now, to believe that life could have some how arisen out of non-life doesn't make sense.

There's also a lot of scamming that has taken place to advance evolution that opens the entire theory to being laughed at. Experiments where proof was falsified (Moth Experiments in New York, where Nocturnal Moth's coated in Coal Dust from the power plants and taped to trees were cited as proof that the Moth's had evolved to have darker colors to better blend in.)

Evolution has a great many gaping holes in it.

As does Intelligent Design.

Gaping Holes that would dictate that neither be taught in school if standards of proof were applied equally to both.
 
medicineman

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So let me get this straight and don't take any offense to what I am about to say. You believe aliens or intelligent beings from somewhere else in our universe installed a soul into the human species, upgraded our intelligence and so on?
Exactly my friend. Someone intervened in the evolution of simians. Either by implanting a whole new species, Human, or tuning up the most advanced simians, 6,000 years ago. As far as to who it was, I have no empirical evidence, I have to take that on faith. I do believe that the evolutional of the animal species (Except humans) may have happened like Darwin suggests, but Humans are the only creatures imbued with a soul, Well some are. And yes, I do believe we've been continuously visited by beings from the universe throughout our history. It took 3 billion or so years for this planet to progress to the point of implanting human species on it. One certainly wouldn't have implanted them here in the age of dinosaurs, now would they. And please explain how the mayans got those 8 ton rocks up that mountain and installed with the accuracy they maintain.
 
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