Iran Update...

Woomeister

Well-Known Member
Woo, what do you think about my post on the US dropping its funding of Iran's human rights documentation?

I think that disturbing is a word that comes to mind, inept is another, followed by shocking...
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Me too.... I think Obama "thinks" (debatable) he can cut a deal with Iran and the data on Iran's treatment of its citizens would be embarrassing.

Well DUH!!! Of course it's embarrassing...... so the answer is to not collect the data? I'm sure the real ppl of Iran must be mighty comforted to know Obama is on their side.

Did you see that Obama is also snubbing the Dalai Lama? WTH???

A pattern has formed.....it is not good for the world.

I apologize...... in advance.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Yes.... he is now in contention for the booby prize known as Nobel peace. :lol:

It's about the "appearance" of peace, instead of the real thing.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Oh.... the capitulation speech.... that does make sense from their perspective.
Obama isn't the world's leader however, he is the president of the USA.

We are not amused.
 

londonfog

Well-Known Member
and the hate continues... where was all this hate when Bush was running this country into the ground.... Its one person on here that I actually respect opinion for not only does he talks about Obama, but he also talks about how bad Bush was... No way in the hell anyone could say Bush was a good POTUS and what Obama HAS to do now is directly related to how bad Bush phucked this country up...period end of story...
 

CrackerJax

New Member
What hate are you referring to. Did you hear the speech? I sure did. It sure was a capitulation speech.

Now it seems he had his eye on the Nobel the whole time.... :lol:

Now that is leadership.

Bush had problems (domestic ones), but he was/is a true leader. He made the tough calls when everyone was having fits.

In the middle of the chaos, he was calm, and made the right call, when others like you I'm sure wanted to cut and run.
 
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PadawanBater

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What hate are you referring to. Did you hear the speech? I sure did. It sure was a capitulation speech.

Now it seems he had his eye on the Nobel the whole time.... :lol:

Now that is leadership.

Bush had problems (domestic ones), but he was/is a true leader. He made the tough calls when everyone was having fits.

In the middle of the chaos, he was calm, and made the right call, when others like you I'm sure wanted to cut and run.

Duuude... be honest, you totally cracked a smile while writing that, right?! :mrgreen:
 

londonfog

Well-Known Member
What hate are you referring to. Did you hear the speech? I sure did. It sure was a capitulation speech.

Now it seems he had his eye on the Nobel the whole time.... :lol:

Now that is leadership.

Bush had problems (domestic ones), but he was/is a true leader. He made the tough calls when everyone was having fits.

In the middle of the chaos, he was calm, and made the right call, when others like you I'm sure wanted to cut and run.
OMG you are sick...lolbongsmilie:eyesmoke: Had to light up to just get a good laugh...Bush was a good leader...then why America so screwed when he left office???? Tough calls what tough calls did he make....the first 2 years of the Bush administration coincided with the biggest corporate scandals and bankruptcies since Teapot Dome in the 1920s
MCI/Worldcom -- the single largest corporate securities fraud in U.S. history.
Enron -- the largest contributor to Bush's political career. The Bush administration is staffed with numerous former Enron employees and consultants.
Harken Energy -- Bush's behavior on Harken's board of directors was similar to that of the companies caught in the corporate scandals. Mr. Bush received several memos from Harken officials about the impending financial crisis in the company, sold his stock, then several days later the Harken financial problems wewre made public. He failed to file notice of these sales to the SEC for 8 months. The SEC simply stopped their 1990-91 investigation.
Halliburton -- Dick Cheney served as CEO and chairman from 1995-2000. He sold Halliburton stock before bad financial news regarding his company was made public. Halliburton committed fraud on its investors by overstating its earnings.
Enron and Worldcom were followed by scandals and failures at Adelphia, Tyco, and others


lets not talk about his business before he took office..George W. Bush's businesses fail but he makes millions

Arbusto, an oil exploration company, lost money, but it got considerable investments (nearly $5 million) because even losing oil investments were useful as tax shelters.
Spectrum 7 Energy Corp. bought out Arbusto in 1984 and hired Mr. Bush to run the company's oil interests in Midland, Texas. The oil business collapsed as oil prices plummeted by 1986, and Spectrum 7 Energy was near failure.


Harken Energy acquired Mr. Bush's Spectrum 7 Energy shares, and he got Harken shares, a directorship, and a consulting arrangement in return. Harken, under Bush, brought in Saudi real estate tycoon Sheikh Abdullah Bakhsh as a board member and a major investor. Over the next few years, Harken would turn out to have links to: Saudi money, CIA-connected Filipinos, the Harvard Endowment, the emir of Bahrain, and the shadowy Bank of Credit and Commerce International.
  • A 1991 internal SEC document suggested George W. Bush violated federal securities law at least 4 times in the late 1980s and early 1990s in selling Harken stock while serving as a director of Harken. This is essentially the same kind of activity that Martha Stewart went to prison over. Except at the time of the investigation, Mr. Bush's father was president and the case was quietly dropped
Scared for what you call a good leader Cracker, but then again you might get down like that....and me cut and run.....son I spent 22 years serving this country and never have I cut and run...Why don't you stop all the talk and do something for this nation of ours besides sitting in your underwear, eating cheetos blogging about how my country is going down because of Obamas first 9 months....
 

CrackerJax

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Americans Still Firmly Against Iran Nukes

By RAGHAVAN MAYURPosted 06:14 PM ET

Americans strongly oppose a nuclear Iran but split on whether the U.S. itself should take military action to take out Iran nukes. A majority, however, support military action by Israel.
These are key findings from the latest IBD/TIPP poll of 928 Americans completed on Oct. 10. The poll has a margin of error of +/- 3 percentage points.
No concrete evidence exists that Iran has nuclear weapons. But Israeli and American intelligence agree Iran is "moving forward in developing a nuclear-weapons capability."
Those who now believe Iran must not have nuclear weapons (79%) is little changed from the 78% in our March poll. Republicans (87%) feel most strongly that Iran should be denied nuclear weapons, but Independents and Democrats follow fairly close behind at 79% and 72%, respectively.
Iran has the ability to hit American and allied troops in the Middle East and part of Europe. The Middle East is an essential link and source of energy for the U.S. and the world.
Many observers fear a nuclear-armed Iran would spark a nuclear arms race in the Mideast that would further destabilize the region. While Iranian missiles are not yet capable of reaching the U.S., they could potentially threaten the U.S. and its citizens.
As to whether the U.S. should take military action to prevent Iran from building nuclear weapons in the event diplomacy and sanctions fail, Americans are divided with 46% supporting military action and 42% against it. In March, the support was somewhat higher at 52% vs. 37% against.
Republicans are most hawkish here as well, supporting military action by a 61% to 30% margin. Democrats oppose military action 51% to 35%, and Independents are divided with 44% in favor and 43% opposed.
In 2005, Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called for Israel to be "wiped off the map," a view held by others in Iran. Israel is not happy with the Obama administration's courting of Iran regarding negotiations on nuclear weapons.
Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has warned Obama that he must stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons or Israel might not have any other alternative but to attack Iran's nuclear facility.
Support for military action by Israel is much higher than military action by the U.S. In March, a majority supported action by Israel by 57% to 29%. But in October the margin has narrowed somewhat — from 28 points to 21. Now 55% support Israeli military action and 34% oppose.
Republicans back action by Israel better than 3-to-1 (69% to 22%), with Independents also supporting the idea (54% to 34%). Democrats split 44% for and 42% against.
Talks scheduled this week in Vienna include a proposal where Iran would send low-enriched uranium abroad for further enrichment for medical use. If these talks fail, an Iranian representative said Iran would carry out the enrichment itself.
The suicide bombing in southeastern Iran on Sunday that killed at least 20 people, including five senior commanders of the elite Revolutionary Guard, might also derail the Vienna talks. Iran has vowed to retaliate against the U.S. and Britain accusing them of backing the bombers. Iran might use the bombings as an excuse to "clamp down" on opponents of Ahmadinejad.
President Obama is concerned with the threat Iran poses to the U.S. and the world and is pushing for mediation talks with Iran. In his desire to contain Iran, Obama has tried to enlist Russia's help. Perhaps to gain Russia's support, Obama had decided against stationing a nuclear defense system in Eastern Europe. He has also called for a nuclear-free world by focusing on the dangers posed by nuclear weapons.
Overall, Americans give the President a C grade for his handling of Iran. Twelve percent give the president an A, 22% give him a B, 29% give him a C, 15% a D and 17% an F.
A majority of Democrats (56%) graded him A or B while half of Republicans give him a D or F. A fourth of Independents (28%) give him good grades, but nearly two in five (39%) give him a D or F.


• Mayur is president of TechnoMetrica Market Intelligence, which directs the IBD/TIPP Poll that was the most accurate in the last two presidential elections.
 
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