Iran Update...

MrJDGaF

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And the depth and breadth of your ignorance continues to open up before us all, like a bottomless pit...I'm not here to provide the less fortunate with an education in the complete history of the world, but I'll indulge you one last time then you can go read some books or websites if you have any more crap that needs binning.

If Israel cared about Jews they would of let them leave Nazi Germany(for destinations other than PALESTINE)
Note I said Palestine, not Israel, take some basic reading courses while you're at it!
President Roosevelt convened the Evian conference July 6-15 1938, to deal with the Jewish refugee problem. The Jewish Agency delegation headed by Golda Meir (Meirson) ignored a German offer to allow Jews to emigrate to other countries for $250 a head, and the Zionists made no effort to influence the United States and the 32 other countries attending the conference to allow immigration of German and Austrian Jews.
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On Feb 1, 1940 Henry Montor executive vice-President of the United Jewish Appeal refused to intervene for a shipload of Jewish refugees stranded on the Danube river, stating that "Palestine cannot be flooded with... old people or with undesirables."
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It is an historical fact that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that:
a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and
b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and
c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily.
The Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.
The answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments:
a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees.
b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war.
c) No ransom will be paid
This response to the Gestapo's offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber.
These treacherous Zionist leaders betrayed their own flesh and blood. Zionism was never an option for Jewish salvation. Quite the opposite, it was a formula for human beings to be used as pawns for the power trip of several desperadoes. A perfidy! A betrayal beyond description!
In 1944, at the time of the Hungarian deportations, a similar offer was made, whereby all Hungarian Jewry could be saved. The same Zionist hierarchy again refused this offer (after the gas chambers had already taken a toll of millions).
The British government granted visas to 300 rabbis and their families to the Colony of Mauritius, with passage for the evacuees through Turkey. The "Jewish Agency" leaders sabotaged this plan with the observation that the plan was disloyal to Palestine, and the 300 rabbis and their families should be gassed.
On December 17, 1942 both houses of the British Parliament declared its readiness to find temporary refuge for endagered persons. The British Parliament proposed to evacuate 500,000 Jews from Europe, and resettle them in British colonies, as a part of diplomatic negotiations with Germany. This motion received within two weeks a total of 277 Parliamentary signatures. On Jan. 27, when the next steps were being pursued by over 100 M.P.'s and Lords, a spokesman for the Zionists announced that the Jews would oppose the motion because Palestine was ommitted.
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On Feb. 16, 1943 Roumania offered 70,000 Jewish refugees of the Trans-Dniestria to leave at the cost of $50 each. This was publicized in the New York papers.
Yitzhak Greenbaum, Chairman of the Rescue Committee of the Jewish Agency, addressing the Zionist Executive Council in Tel Aviv Feb. 18 1943 said, "when they asked me, "couldn't you give money out of the United Jewish Appeal funds for the rescue of Jews in Europe, I said NO! and I say again, NO!...one should resist this wave which pushes the Zionist activities to secondary importance."
On Feb. 24, 1943 Stephen Wise, President of the American Jewish Congress and leader of the American Zionists issued a public refusal to this offer and declared no collection of funds would seem justified.
In 1944, the Emergency Committee to Save the Jewish People called upon the American government to establish a War Refugee Board. Stephen Wise testifying before a special committeeof Congress objected to this proposal.
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During the course of the negotiations mentioned above, Chaim Weizman, the first "Jewish statesman" stated: "The most valuable part of the Jewish nation is already in Palestine, and those Jews living outside Palestine are not too important". Weizman's cohort, Greenbaum, amplified this statement with the observation "One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe".
And then, after the bitterest episode in Jewish history, these Zionist "statesmen" lured the broken refugees in the DP camps to remain in hunger and deprivation, and to refuse relocation to any place but Palestine; only for the purpose of building their State.
In 1947 Congressman William Stration sponsored a bill to immediately grant entry to the United States of 400,000 displaced persons. The bill was not passed after it was publicly denounced by the Zionist leadership.
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I hope that lot wasn't too much for your head to absorb and understand.:rolleyes:

Again with the jealousy bull, I'm not going to respond to that anymore, I made it simple enough for a three year old to understand and still it's over your head by a mile!:wall:

I've already shown the Zionist Jews to have set the precedent regarding the use of women and children in warfare so I won't cover that again either.

Go learn to read PROPERLY then read some history books that are not revisionist and maybe then we can have a proper adult discussion that won't rely on your narrow-minded, blinkered view of the world and it's history.

That's all the free education you're getting out of me for today, now educate yourself.(I'm not holding my breath!)
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MrJDGaF

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OK, I missed out a reply to one comment so I'll deal with that then I'm done.

Why didn't the Arab nations accept them back into the fold? No moral high ground there for the Arabs either. they had a chance to be human, but guess what.... most of the Arab states backed HITLER!!! Nuff said there.
Back into the fold? They're Jews not Arabs, what "fold"?

I think you'll find that the Arabs would have fought alongside anyone who promised them freedom from Colonial rule as would most people(Like some Indians did).

That completes history 101 for today, don't forget to do your homework before your next lesson!
 

CrackerJax

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I'm sorry, since israel and the Arab states have been neighbors for a millenia...i guess that doesn't put them in the same fold....even though the Moslem faith recognizes Abraham, Jesus and Moses as prophets of Islam (no small thing). So in attacking Israel, you are attcking your own teachings....well done. :clap:

This points to my earlier premise that it is less about religion than it is about Arab humiliation. Time to grow up....


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Jointsmith

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I'm sorry, since israel and the Arab states have been neighbors for a millenia...i guess that doesn't put them in the same fold....even though the Moslem faith recognizes Abraham, Jesus and Moses as prophets of Islam (no small thing). So in attacking Israel, you are attcking your own teachings....well done. :clap:

This points to my earlier premise that it is less about religion than it is about Arab humiliation. Time to grow up....


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Wow, you haven't to be one of the most Ignorant people I've ever had the displeasure of reading on here.... I can almost here your knuckles being lifted from the floor to scratch your furrowed brow as you struggle to comprehend the logic of what's being said, failing, then tapping out another one of these inane, childish replies.

You're right about ONE thing, it's NOT about religion, this is about POWER and CONTROL OF RESCOURCES (or as you in the USA call it....MONEY)

I'm starting to think you're playing Crackers, no one could REALLY be as ignorant as you, surely?

LOL @ 'Arab States to Grow Up'....thats pretty f'king funny.... ever studied history? probably not as your country doesn't really HAVE any.

Actually.... thinking about it..... invader nation takes power and control from indiginous populous with no regard for life....sounds just like how your country was founded.... no wonder you all have a boner for Isreal.

Damn it Crackers, why do I keep wasting my time on your ignorant ass?

I have better things to do.

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CrackerJax

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I'm sorry Jointsmith to INFORM you but it is the Arabs who have all of the resources ala OIL.... DUH!!!

Yes indeed the Arab nations and ISLAM needs to grow the heck up already! Look if you have a bunch of people (civilized???) running around declaring fatwah against people who merely TRANSLATE the Qaran....you've got some SERIOUS growing up to do....and it has absolutely NOTHING to do with how long you've been around as a people...irrelevant. I'm talking about societal maturation. Not societal longevity.

The more you STRICTLY adhere to a pre science view of the world, the more trouble you will have down the road.

Human rights in the Arab states is by western standards ABOMINABLE!!

You have much work to do if you want a place in the future as a respected set of nations. Right now you buy your respect, and it doesn't go far....not at all.

It's still about Arab humiliation.... they just can't bring themselves to admit it....

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CrackerJax

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Which is exactly what the Palestinians are seeking.... zionism. Except they have no historical precedent to be a state. Big difference....


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Jointsmith

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I'm sorry Jointsmith to INFORM you but it is the Arabs who have all of the resources ala OIL.... DUH!!!

Yes indeed the Arab nations and ISLAM needs to grow the heck up already! Look if you have a bunch of people (civilized???) running around declaring fatwah against people who merely TRANSLATE the Qaran....you've got some SERIOUS growing up to do....and it has absolutely NOTHING to do with how long you've been around as a people...irrelevant. I'm talking about societal maturation. Not societal longevity.

The more you STRICTLY adhere to a pre science view of the world, the more trouble you will have down the road.

Human rights in the Arab states is by western standards ABOMINABLE!!

You have much work to do if you want a place in the future as a respected set of nations. Right now you buy your respect, and it doesn't go far....not at all.

It's still about Arab humiliation.... they just can't bring themselves to admit it....

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I suppose it's really a MATTER OF OPINION which is the more mature nation.... Both your countries have quite a high proportion of religious extremists.

What the fuck is a 'Pre-science' view of the world? Fuck me, untill 3 weeks ago your country was being run by someone who believes in CREATIONISM!!!!

you realise that Throughout history Islam has been more scientifically advanced than christianity? You realise that our NUMBER SYSTEM, from which ALL SCIENCE is derived comes from Islam? 123456789....all islamic symbols. You obviously don't know very much about Islam..... or logical aurguments.... how can a country 'Strictly adhere to a pre-science view of the world' while simultainiously 'has enough enriched uranium for a nuclear missile'.... Even YOU must see that you are contradicting yourself.

Unless of course you are talking ETHICALLY.....

Ethics has NOTHING to do with Science.
 

max420thc

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i personaly dont give a shit about islam.it would be nice if they kept their hands and their religios beliefs to themselfs and play nice with the other kids on the play ground.seeing as how they do not want to do this i just think we should blow them straight to hell till the understand to keep your fucking hands to yourself and stop murding people.islam is like the borg.they take over and consume or kill if they cant consume
 

CrackerJax

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I suppose it's really a MATTER OF OPINION which is the more mature nation.... Both your countries have quite a high proportion of religious extremists.

What the fuck is a 'Pre-science' view of the world? Fuck me, untill 3 weeks ago your country was being run by someone who believes in CREATIONISM!!!!

you realise that Throughout history Islam has been more scientifically advanced than christianity? You realise that our NUMBER SYSTEM, from which ALL SCIENCE is derived comes from Islam? 123456789....all islamic symbols. You obviously don't know very much about Islam..... or logical aurguments.... how can a country 'Strictly adhere to a pre-science view of the world' while simultainiously 'has enough enriched uranium for a nuclear missile'.... Even YOU must see that you are contradicting yourself.

Unless of course you are talking ETHICALLY.....

Ethics has NOTHING to do with Science.
Well, I'll start from the bottom up...ethics has nothing to do with science? Ding, right off the bat you are in trouble and wrong wrong wrong. Ethics should permeate EVERY facet of your society, no exceptions. Do people and organizations bend the rules...you bet they do. It's called the human condition. The difference in the US vs. middle east (with the exception of Israel, bested again) is that these corruptions can be dealt with in a fair and timely manner whereas the arab states sovereign rule continues with its corruption unabated because there is no system of checks and balances for the weak to keep the strong from manipulating them.
We fix our problems...

Yes while many great inventions including the greatest of all (handwriting) was of eastern invention, the ability to master and improve your societies with these inventions has been a failure. It's sort of funny to see the nations which created writing can hardly write at all on a per capita basis. This leaves the people unable to think for themselves and must get their information from clerics mostly. I was astounded last time I was in Morocco that the illiteracy rate was about 90%. 90%!!!!
This is not the time to rest upon the laurels of the ancient past, which with about 4 dollars will get you a cup of coffee in todays world. I'm not saying you need to forget the past, but certainly let it go, and free your own people from hardship.
When I say pre science in the sense of your world view outlook.... everything must be seen through the prism of Islam... which is a pre science invention (yes it was INVENTED). No one has ever said get rid of islam, but it is no way to govern a people. A secular society based on individual freedoms and rewards will ALWAYS outperform a non secular society. As for the technology of the nuclear fission..... stolen and purchased through illegal means.... nothing to brag about that is for sure...back to ETHICS again.

Do we have religious extremists... you bet. First, no where near the numbers you do and we certainly don't encourage our population to hate or kill others who don't agree with them. Your governments are very active in whipping up hatred and blood..... ethics again... nasty little word isn't it? Second, we have the levers of govt. through fair representation so that all of our people know that if they present a valid argument, they will be heard. This is not true of the arab states at all. You treat womwn as second class citizens and do not respect other cultures religious beliefs. If the arabs truly did, they would crack down on the hate...but they don't. It's always just lip service.

Well, that was easy....


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Woomeister

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Israel was not in existence during WW2 pal....so how could they emigrate? You need to read up on WW2 it seems.... It's not as if many hundreds of thousands of Jews didn't try to leave. Why didn't the Arab nations accept them back into the fold? No moral high ground there for the Arabs either. they had a chance to be human, but guess what.... most of the Arab states backed HITLER!!! Nuff said there.

The Arab states are BACKWARDS....no doubt about it. Illiteracy rates are through the roof over there. They try and run a modern society on antiquated ideas....it's not working, and it never will.

No, it comes down to jealousy plain and simple. Israel took a hard rock place and turned it into an oasis in 60 years. Under great and continuing stress I might add.

In the relationship of human potential, you have a very wide disparity between Israel and the Arab states, and that is what is driving the Arabs nuts..... everything else is an excuse to cover their true problem, which comes from within themselves. Much easier to point fingers and make up the devil than to face your own societal shortcomings.

And that's too bad....the rest of the world is waiting for the arab states to GROW UP..... and also GROW A PAIR. Quit hiding behind women and children...it's embarrassing... more humiliation.


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Iranian literacy leveles are 90% on a par with the UK and higher than the USA actually. Your country had an apartheid practically 50 years back, in all but name. The Arabs are a highly intelligent highly cultured group of people. Just because they dont aspire to be Western in beliefs does not mean it is 'not working'. Just as an aside, Arab states have minimal rape, drug abuse, alcoholism, paedophilia, gang violence...I could go on. So whom has the society that isnt working.

Iran was a puppet state until the Islamic revolution in 1978 and who pulled the strings? The USA's paranoia since the Shah was ousted is a product of your own making, the puppetmaster didnt like the puppet standing on its own two feet. Arming Iraq to try and defeat Iran was the move of a peaceful or paranoid country I suppose! The facts are readily available, as for your comment about studying more earlier, well, thats the difference, I have studied the subject and at a level where it is integral to look at all sides without prejudice or effects of brain washing. Cutting and pasting is all very well, as you know, but knowledge is key. The USA are the cause for the Iranian discomfort and desire to put on a strong front.
 

Woomeister

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A long-awaited federal study finds that an estimated 32 million adults in the USA — about one in seven — are saddled with such low literacy skills that it would be tough for them to read anything more challenging than a children's picture book or to understand a medication's side effects listed on a pill bottle
 

CrackerJax

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Any way you slice it, it is far and away vastly better in the states than in the Middle East (Israel excepted). of course your data can explain the Obama victory as well.....


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Woomeister

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Any way you slice it, it is far and away vastly better in the states than in the Middle East (Israel excepted). of course your data can explain the Obama victory as well.....


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Vastly better? Have you ever been to Dubai?? Of course not. How about Saudi??? I have, they are amazing places with a different set of rules, thats all. They are also far richer than America in so many ways.
 

sandmonkey

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Vastly better? Have you ever been to Dubai?? Of course not. How about Saudi??? I have, they are amazing places with a different set of rules, thats all. They are also far richer than America in so many ways.
thank you. I'm originally from Saudi but have been living in Europe since I was 13.

Such a difference in values, legislation, and ultimately crime rates.
 

CrackerJax

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yes, different set of rules. Like fair trials as opposed to beheadings? That set of rules? Stoning? Yah, different set alright. That doesn't make you civilized....no matter what Armani suit you are wearing at the time of the stoning.

I have been invited to invest in the Palms in Dubai, but turned it down. I worked in saudi arabia for 6 months about twenty years ago. I've seen the different set of "rules' in play....doesn't measure up to civilized.

The people are not free. There is NO upward mobility and a societal caste system is firmly entrenched.

Comparing the US to the Middle East is ludicrous. You have a long way to go. The very fact that you obviously think terrorism is an accepted tactic belies your barbarism.

By the way, do you have both of your hands?

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Woomeister

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yes, different set of rules. Like fair trials as opposed to beheadings? That set of rules? Stoning? Yah, different set alright. That doesn't make you civilized....no matter what Armani suit you are wearing at the time of the stoning.

I have been invited to invest in the Palms in Dubai, but turned it down. I worked in saudi arabia for 6 months about twenty years ago. I've seen the different set of "rules' in play....doesn't measure up to civilized.

The people are not free. There is NO upward mobility and a societal caste system is firmly entrenched.

Comparing the US to the Middle East is ludicrous. You have a long way to go. The very fact that you obviously think terrorism is an accepted tactic belies your barbarism.

By the way, do you have both of your hands?

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you could almost be talking about the USA. lol!
 

sandmonkey

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Comparing the US to the Middle East is ludicrous. You have a long way to go. The very fact that you obviously think terrorism is an accepted tactic belies your barbarism.

By the way, do you have both of your hands?

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Isn't terrorism what your country, the US and all the other Illuminati-Zionists use to spread democracy and protect themselves? difference is you guys rely on your precious military technology to do the work so it's much more clandestine .

But the Arabs will always have the greater will. That will be your demise, my ignorant little lamb.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
you could almost be talking about the USA. lol!
Really? My dad worked manual labor his entire life with a 5th grade education. I went to University and started 2 businesses from scratch (i won't even go into the differences there), and am now very very comfortable (and my dad is too now). All that happened in one generation. Unless you are born into privilege in the Middle east (heck I could throw in most of Europe as well), you're not going anywhere......period.

By the way, back to the thread... You claim to be an EXPERT on all things Iran (so far I am not impressed). Why the nukes and what will they do with them? Hmmmm? Iran is such a stable country, don't you agree?


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natrone23

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Why the nukes and what will they do with them? Hmmmm? Iran is such a stable country, don't you agree?


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The same reason why Israel has nukes and the same reason the U.S has nukes............its like your not capable of seeing things from others perspective.
 
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