Is a combination of TOO MUCH sunlight & LED light bad for auto-flowering plants?...

MonsterMagnet

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I can't find a definitive answer but I'm aware of the 18/6 and 12/12 ratios for vegetative & flowering phases being a rule of thumb.

My windowsill grow, which is now flowering well, is getting an average of 8 hours of direct sunlight & 8 hours of LED light overnight. They're never in complete darkness. Is this OK?
 

MickFoster

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8 hours of direct sunlight and 8 hours of led light is only 16 hours........you said they were never in complete darkness. What about the other 8 hours.
To answer your question.......yes you can switch light types.......it's not bad for your plants.
 

.Smoke

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I can't find a definitive answer but I'm aware of the 18/6 and 12/12 ratios for vegetative & flowering phases being a rule of thumb.

My windowsill grow, which is now flowering well, is getting an average of 8 hours of direct sunlight & 8 hours of LED light overnight. They're never in complete darkness. Is this OK?
You should be fine so long as they're getting enough light during those times.
 

.Smoke

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Sure I read years back that they don't like going from natural Sunlight to indoor lighting, might be a lot of shit though
I tried this with photo period plants a few years ago and the direct sunlight caused them to flower prematurely.

Not sure if there will be an issue with them being autos though.
 

MonsterMagnet

Active Member
8 hours of direct sunlight and 8 hours of led light is only 16 hours........you said they were never in complete darkness. What about the other 8 hours.
To answer your question.......yes you can switch light types.......it's not bad for your plants.
For the other 8 hours they're in shade, during the day.
 

MonsterMagnet

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I tried this with photo period plants a few years ago and the direct sunlight caused them to flower prematurely.

Not sure if there will be an issue with them being autos though.
Yeah, I'd read that too much can cause light burn & stress in photo-period plants but couldn't find the same answer for autos.

Sounds like I'll be OK.
 

amneziaHaze

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Only problem i know is from led to sun and only because plants didnt have contact with uv soo they burn up fast
As for light they can go 24h full light if yoz want it will veg
 

MonsterMagnet

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A bit of a curveball, and probably only a minor concern...

I left the plants on the balcony today & they got rained on. Only a gentle shower for around an hour but they're now covered in tiny droplets of water & I'm worried that the strong LED light will be magnified through the droplets & burn the leaves...

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Does anyone have experience with this? Would it be better to let them dry out over night or will the gentle heat of the light dry them out?
It'll be warm & sunny again tomorrow so I can't see them staying wet for long. Rot in the soil & buds shouldn't be a worry.
 

T.H.Cammo

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A bit of a curveball, and probably only a minor concern...

I left the plants on the balcony today & they got rained on. Only a gentle shower for around an hour but they're now covered in tiny droplets of water & I'm worried that the strong LED light will be magnified through the droplets & burn the leaves...
Just give them a couple of quick shakes (not too hard), if the water bothers you. The truth is; it rains all the time and somehow all those wet plants manage to survive.

An alternative would be to just run a table fan, blowing through the plants, to make them "dance" a little bit.
 

Delps8

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It's photons and photons are all the same.

Sunlight has a different spectrum than an LED and, since it's through a window, it's not going to be a lot of light. One issue to watch out for is heat from the sunlight because sunlight has IR in its spectrum and if it's behind glass and not getting some ventilation, the leaves might get too warm.

Re. too much light - some growers give their plants too much light. It's not common but I have seen a few instances of that in 3 ½ years here on RIU and on another site. I've done it myself, at least twice, but I push my plants pretty hard, with light levels over 1100µmol in some cases. I all cases, once you turn down the level level, the plant uncurled its leaves and returned to normal but I did have one cola that bent a little and it didn't straighten up. Having said that, the light levels my plants were getting we well beyond where, until maybe a couple of year ago, what most lights could generate.

My observation is that growers lose far more yield by not turning up their lights than they do by giving them too much light. That's not a big stretch because it's almost impossible to damage a plant by giving it too much light. In contrast, cannabis looks just great when it gets, say, 50% of its light capacity but growers, by and large, aren't aware of that.

"It looks really nice and I'm getting 2-4 ounces from a plant so everything's cool right?"

"Sure but if you run your light at 100% you will double your yield."

That's an extreme case but not a rare one.

"Yeah, I'd read that too much can cause light burn & stress in photo-period plants but couldn't find the same answer for autos."
I've grown photos at >1100µmol. I've run my autos at >1000µmol with DLI's in the 80's at times. I stopped growing autos because they're hard to tame, With photos, you can control plant size because you control the length of the vegetative stage of growth. Autos work on they own timetable so they can get pretty mangy.


One of these an auto, the other is a photo.

This nice little plant looks like an auto but it's a photo that was grown under a veg light (makes plants short and compact with lots of leaves), topped, and LST'd.
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There are two plants in here - if you look really closely, you can see Mary tucked away on the left side. These were Gelato autos from the same seed packet. Jeff was a monster. I turned the light down to 800µmol about ⅔ way through flower because there was so much weed in the tent there was no sense in running my light any higher.




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Crop yield increases in an almost linear manner as light levels increase, up to the light saturation point, the light level where a plant can't process any more photons.

This chart is from the cited paper, showing the increase in yield as light levels increase. Roughly speaking, yield increased 4% for every increase in average PPFD of 50µmol. The curve does drop off but, pick a couple of light levels and see how much more weed was produced.

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Or, better yet, go from high light levels to low light levels and see how much weed wasn't produced because the grower didn't turn up the dimmer.
 
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