Is anyone running a high output garden efficiently?

I want to do organics real badddd. But I know coco and salts. I’m thinking, 7 - 9 weeks vegging, 4 or so of this being under blue light. Regular lst, regular leaf trimming. 4 of these plants being in a 5x5’ to then be flowered for 8 or so weeks. Likely be in a 50+ litre pot each.

Wondering if anyone is doing anything similar and what yields they get?

It is nice to have a plan but ensure you maintain flexibility. The plant will let you know when to flip and when it is done.

I just finished my first Organic grow. I now have 2 tents and can do a progressive grow like start seedlings and veg plants in a smaller tent then move to the flower tent. After this grow I am terrified of the idea.
The 8 week white widow flower went to 11 and a day. If I needed the flower tent I would have had to top the plants and continue the veg. There is a limit to this in a 5 gallon fabric pot.
Guys with much more experience with these grows can chime in but I do not want my pot growing to be stressful and a highly efficient growing system with big yields sounds like a second job.Organics is easy peasey. Even with problems I got to the finish line.

With a tent to veg some clones known to double or triple in size will maximize output in that 5x5. I do drain to waste coco though. I see this is a perpetual question or at least would think it would come up due to title of thread.

Knowing a pheno is key, the first few runs will be all over the place but once you know how long to give it, it gets better. Now I know to take clones two weeks from flip vs at flip. So my 9-10wk pheno can get 11-12 wks if needed but if all is well it shouldnt.

That way my veg clones need a week or two to flip vs needing to harvest asap and have overgrown plants. Also give me a break to breathe and clean things up. Id say my pheno can do 16-20oz or little more in a 5x5 if all is well. Im learning how to raise yield without powdery mildew or budrot that happened some time ago.

There are lots of strains thay could do double that easily. I just do flower rosin only so I dont get paid until its in dab form and that adds complexity. Better off keeping what meets most of whats desired.

I last compared running all tents vs having my veg tent to perpetuate. I concluded basically could do 64oz in 20wks vs 49oz if to not perpetuate. So I know its worth it. I just had a bad habbit of taking cuts too soon. They need 8-10wks veg 8-10wks flower.

So two wks after flip take cuts that will be planted two wks later, will be 6 wks veg by the time my flowers hit 10wks. If theyre struggling for some reason or simply need another week or two, it surely will be done or somethings very wrong.

I had gnats/aphids delay things, bacterial bloom in root zone overwatered and etc. Sometimes they still finish on time but now that I got everything solved this run its going as planned. I call it limp mode where it could take 14wks but things were so bad my plants were just suddenly dying.

Jimski said:

It is nice to have a plan but ensure you maintain flexibility. The plant will let you know when to flip and when it is done.

I just finished my first Organic grow. I now have 2 tents and can do a progressive grow like start seedlings and veg plants in a smaller tent then move to the flower tent. After this grow I am terrified of the idea.
The 8 week white widow flower went to 11 and a day. If I needed the flower tent I would have had to top the plants and continue the veg. There is a limit to this in a 5 gallon fabric pot.
Guys with much more experience with these grows can chime in but I do not want my pot growing to be stressful and a highly efficient growing system with big yields sounds like a second job.Organics is easy peasey. Even with problems I got to the finish line.

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I want this to be my life I fully understand though, I’m actually moving away from hydroponics just so that I don’t need to do the setup. But replacing that with brewing tea and measurements of feeding with a schedule I’ve all never done before… fun. I’m pretty confident tbf I’m just going to keep feeding light and in flowering probably every 3rd watering. I get distracted, what you’re doing is what I planned, and I’m going to start clones atleast 1 week in probably 2 for the exact reason of what you say, if something takes longer to flower than I expected, I’ve only begged for 6 weeks, and beside that I’d say I can just increase compost volume if it has vegged longer, then alter for the next cycle obviously.

medidedicated said:

I last compared running all tents vs having my veg tent to perpetuate. I concluded basically could do 64oz in 20wks vs 49oz if to not perpetuate. So I know its worth it. I just had a bad habbit of taking cuts too soon. They need 8-10wks veg 8-10wks flower.

So two wks after flip take cuts that will be planted two wks later, will be 6 wks veg by the time my flowers hit 10wks. If theyre struggling for some reason or simply need another week or two, it surely will be done or somethings very wrong.

I had gnats/aphids delay things, bacterial bloom in root zone overwatered and etc. Sometimes they still finish on time but now that I got everything solved this run its going as planned. I call it limp mode where it could take 14wks but things were so bad my plants were just suddenly dying.

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Yeah I’m going to be running a few different genetics too lol. I’m thinking of doing a SOG style tent still organic, going to base my selections off sex, clone success first then strength (got a purpl pro!) just to select 3 or 4 mothers basically. I’ve got genetics for washing, something I really want to get into, another reason for the organics. I know it’s genetic specific and even washer specific but how much dab are you getting from your strain?

Im worried about pests with organic, but I think neem seed meal will help. My mate had an unventilated tent in a back shed with hps, gnat central. And he was running coco too but just thought sure why not have one with soil in… that’s why

I got basically a 5x5 and a half but just now starting to use it. Well I guess I can say I had just a 5x5 broken down into separete tents and was doing 3oz flower rosin per 10 wks. I had gnats/aphids but I solved the issue with stapling the fabric pots shut with the drippers in it.

Gnats/aphids WILL mess everything up if left untreated. Lots of people do the basic fly strips and microbe lift bti etc but none of those (for dtw coco) had worked. Additionally when I flip I tie garbage bags around the pots with more bug jell on the seam. Also on the stapled pots.

I worry they can lay eggs where the roots poke out so my veg tent that has a flood table.. I have half a mind to do what I do but when it gets big enough, tie bag around it like in the pic but in early veg.

aloe vera could help apparently. I think gnats are a nasty problem, once they get in you need a deep deep clean to hopefully have them removed. Don’t reuse any coco etc.

are you talking about live rosin from Wpff?

No, flower rosin. I recently found if I hand trim vs machine trim I get an extra oz of rosin per harvest. My pheno has hit 20%, 19, 17.5 and 16.5% return. I lost all flower plants to mold I had to fix and then did one run to see if I solved it and at the end of my second run idk what I got yet.

Could be 19oz off 3 clones. Got two more spots that could of yielded 10oz or more but its behind. My perpetual flow is staggard since the mold. Would take too long to reset to make it all in line but no point really. Just go with the flow see what plant would do better in the next open spots.

So 170gs to 190gs or more per run. Enough for .7gs a day to dab and save plenty. Thats with a 5x5 and a half though in plant footprint. If all goes well based on my short presentation of how she does.

Would you not try wpff since you would have a higher yeild? You would need to find a washer… not just the yeild but I love WPFF I’ve never had a very good flower rosin from organic though. That’s got me very excited for what I’m planning!

What size pots you using for flowering?

Half gal worth of coco in a one gallon fabric pot fed 12x a day. Its a crap shoot as is with my pheno which I got lucky and found before I even started looking for a pheno. Theres minimum disappointment with flower rosin. I always get at least 13% but with hand trimming have gotten substantially more but still new to hand trimming.

I did machine trim for the first couple runs and only got 12% but always 12%. People may not like flower rosin but I love it, Ive dabbed crystals, 99% thc, 60% thc live resin.. All of it. Im fine with flower rosin.

Yes lots of strains taste funny and perform poorly with flower rosin but you just dried the weed and smashed it. No good? Move on. No need to test wash and wash then see what it yields at the press. Really should just be washed so well you could dab it I heard.

My pheno tastes very good yields ok and very potent. If I get less yield I only had to dry and press it. live rosin, hash rosin or any other dabbable extract for that matter is just too much extra work or bho being too dangerous. When I have a pheno that does what I need.

Theres a biased to it being the maker of it, of course everyone else is making better stuff. I guess subjective to what you define as better. I love my new lifestyle lol.

Almost forgot to really answer, no the yield wouldnt be higher. Percent is percent, but I dont need to cut that yield into a smaller yield pressing it, I just get it right then and there. Like bho but dangerous. It would not only need to wash well, needs to yield well at the press.

Its not uncommon to have 60% yield hash rosin from bubble rather fresh frozen or not. That would cut my 170gs in half and thats if all goes well.

In my experience, good flower (apart from hash rosin) is always stronger than Wpff but Wpff is tastier usually. I meant I’ve only had bad flower dabs as I’m in an illegal country and everyone does this for profit. I thought Wpff meant there was more fats etc, oils in general which bulk the yield, but if your going the hash route then that won’t matter?

Live rosin and hash rosin and even drysift rosin for that matter are clean of that. Its flower rosin that has that but I wouldnt say it bulks yield any more than a 60% live or cured resin (bho) not being 100% thc.

Thats a question Ive asked myself idk what makes up the entire amount. I find with hand trimming I get a lot of yield added from higher quality heads extracted.

Even when its as low as 16% return. I thought its just resin in general and some have more thc than others while 90% thc and more went through a refinement process.

But yea hash is hasn. Topicals, edibles and kief/sift is all hash. Flower rosin is hash.

Neem

Eggybread410 said:

Im worried about pests with organic, but I think neem seed meal will help.

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Yeah neem will keep the fungus gnats away. I use Neem as my main N input, supported by EWC. Works well.