Is this light burn or something else?

EH40veg

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Any help would be appreciated not sure if it’s light burn or a deficiency but tips are looking a bit pale / burnt. Got them under a 720w led but it’s dimmed to 250ws about 25 inches away and feeding them canna coco a&b about 1.0ec with the rhizotonic and cannazym once per week. 3rd image is on a different plant, leaf’s at bottom that’s probably something different.
 

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ec121

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PPFD, man. Just use that Photone app for iOS. It's accurate enough for growing. For the diffuser, you can just cut a small blank portion of a grocery store receipt and place it over the front facing camera. Just turn off the oscillating fans so it doesn't blow off the phone/iPad.

What is your runoff EC? Never adjust your inflow EC without referencing your runoff EC.

Take a picture with the lights off using the flash from your phone or (room lighting) and you will see the leaves will likely be quite green. You can do that during their dark cycle if you want because it's in veg and doesn't matter if it gets briefly disrupted.

Also, you're letting your coco get too dry. You're starting to treat it like soil again by going by weight to feed. You can water coco to stay at pretty much 100% saturation and the roots will still get oxygen if the coco was prepped properly, you have proper drainage, and ensured that you won't have a stagnant spot in the center that can become hypoxic.

You're not feeding to give it more water; you can literally grow in coco like soil and water once or twice a week, but that's not optimal and using soil would work better if you're going to treat coco like it's soil.

You're feeding it at least once daily to keep the EC of the rhizosphere consistent and replenish the water with cool, fresh oxygenated water. You have to think of growing in coco like it's DWC. In DWC, the roots are 100% in water at all times.

With regard to your question about runoff in your other thread, you can get as much runoff as you like, so long as it is at least 10%. Most people just prefer to cut down on waste by only giving it as much as is needed to maintain a consistent rhizosphere.

If one is fertigating once a day, more runoff is needed to maintain a consistent rhizosphere; if one is fertigating six times a day, then less runoff is needed to maintain a consistent rhizosphere, but in either case, at least 10%.
 

EH40veg

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PPFD, man. Just use that Photone app for iOS. It's accurate enough for growing. For the diffuser, you can just cut a small blank portion of a grocery store receipt and place it over the front facing camera. Just turn off the oscillating fans so it doesn't blow off the phone/iPad.

What is your runoff EC? Never adjust your inflow EC without referencing your runoff EC.

Take a picture with the lights off using the flash from your phone or (room lighting) and you will see the leaves will likely be quite green. You can do that during their dark cycle if you want because it's in veg and doesn't matter if it gets briefly disrupted.

Also, you're letting your coco get too dry. You're starting to treat it like soil again by going by weight to feed. You can water coco to stay at pretty much 100% saturation and the roots will still get oxygen if the coco was prepped properly, you have proper drainage, and ensured that you won't have a stagnant spot in the center that can become hypoxic.

You're not feeding to give it more water; you can literally grow in coco like soil and water once or twice a week, but that's not optimal and using soil would work better if you're going to treat coco like it's soil.

You're feeding it at least once daily to keep the EC of the rhizosphere consistent and replenish the water with cool, fresh oxygenated water. You have to think of growing in coco like it's DWC. In DWC, the roots are 100% in water at all times.

With regard to your question about runoff in your other thread, you can get as much runoff as you like, so long as it is at least 10%. Most people just prefer to cut down on waste by only giving it as much as is needed to maintain a consistent rhizosphere.

If one is fertigating once a day, more runoff is needed to maintain a consistent rhizosphere; if one is fertigating six times a day, then less runoff is needed to maintain a consistent rhizosphere, but in either case, at least 10%.
Cheers mate just seen your reply but made a different post, what is a good ppfd for veg I’ll go do that now with the paper if I can find a blank piece.

Earlier on my EC in was 1.2 and out was 1.3 so think it’s ok, but yeah mate I had been keeping it more damp but I had nip away for 2 days so got a little drier than I would have wanted.

After I took this pic I fed them to runoff again but they don’t seem to have reacted much.
 

EH40veg

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Cheers mate just seen your reply but made a different post, what is a good ppfd for veg I’ll go do that now with the paper if I can find a blank piece.

Earlier on my EC in was 1.2 and out was 1.3 so think it’s ok, but yeah mate I had been keeping it more damp but I had nip away for 2 days so got a little drier than I would have wanted.

After I took this pic I fed them to runoff again but they don’t seem to have reacted much.
Just used that app there but used a piece of a4 paper not sure if that’s ok, but it says around 380 ppfd.
 

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ec121

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Cheers mate just seen your reply but made a different post, what is a good ppfd for veg I’ll go do that now with the paper if I can find a blank piece.

Earlier on my EC in was 1.2 and out was 1.3 so think it’s ok, but yeah mate I had been keeping it more damp but I had nip away for 2 days so got a little drier than I would have wanted.

After I took this pic I fed them to runoff again but they don’t seem to have reacted much.
You want to be between 280-550 in veg, and 650-1500 in flower (above 1000, CO2 is necessary). If you want to push toward the high ranges, then everything needs to be perfect - nutrition, CO2, VPD, so it's best to stay in the middle and go from there.

1.2 inflow and 1.3 outflow is great. Just keep plugging away or bump to feeding twice a day.

Just used that app there but used a piece of a4 paper not sure if that’s ok, but it says around 380 ppfd.
Depends on the weight of the paper. A grocery receipt is best because they use the cheapest paper (at least in the US) so it's really thin. But that's good if it's right at canopy level and similar over the other ones, but you could bump it a hair if you want (by lowering the light).

Post a pic of the plant without the grow lights on.
 

EH40veg

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You want to be between 280-550 in veg, and 650-1500 in flower (above 1000, CO2 is necessary). If you want to push toward the high ranges, then everything needs to be perfect - nutrition, CO2, VPD, so it's best to stay in the middle and go from there.

1.2 inflow and 1.3 outflow is great. Just keep plugging away or bump to feeding twice a day.



Depends on the weight of the paper. A grocery receipt is best because they use the cheapest paper (at least in the US) so it's really thin. But that's good if it's right at canopy level and similar over the other ones, but you could bump it a hair if you want (by lowering the light).

Post a pic of the plant without the grow lights on.
No worries mate so around 380-400 should be ok could maybe lower the light slightly like u said. But would probably just keep it 1000 or under then as not got c02.

Thanks mate will keep feeding away at 1.2 just now then until see a change in the runoff. It was quite thick tbh I’ll get a receipt or something in the morning and a photo with the lights off then as well they go off in about 3/4 hours.
 
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