is this normal for 4 weeks in flowering? pics pics
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homegrownboy
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Read back to my first post i wrote you...it's a lockout for sure, you've overfed them. Flushing your soil is your only option at this point. Good luck.
gotot
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yea i saw. people are still posting though
appreciate the help
gotot
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always do.6.5-6.7
homegrownboy
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Ok..just making sure you saw...i'm positive it's that though...it's a common thing to do overfeed.
If and when you decide to leech your soil do it in incrments...about every 10 minutes use 1/3 of the amount of water you need to flush (remember that you need 2-3X the amount of water as you have soil), this will help "loosen" up the salt build ups and when you repeat this it will wash away the salt's alot easier.
If and when you decide to leech your soil do it in incrments...about every 10 minutes use 1/3 of the amount of water you need to flush (remember that you need 2-3X the amount of water as you have soil), this will help "loosen" up the salt build ups and when you repeat this it will wash away the salt's alot easier.
madtrapper
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buds are ok @ 4 wks but leaf stress really looks like nutrient overload if PH and temperatures are ok the only other thing I can think of is overwatering or poor air circulation maybe I'm to loaded to think good luck
DontKnowBeans
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Yeah, I'm no expert but the way those serrated leaf edges curl up looks just like the heat stress symptoms Jorges Cervantes shows in his grow DVD. What you're describing sounds like a large variation in temperature to me. Just my two cents worth.
gotot
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there's a nice flow in and out the room
where do you measure temperature, there is a good chance the overall temperature is OK, but the tips of the plants are too close to the light and they burn, your problem mostly looks like heat stress
but it could as well be a composite, complex problem, you might have lockups, deficiency, poor oxygen in the soil, nute burn and the heat issue on top of that
what you wrote about your soil - clay like soil will turn into one big brick when you flower, thus cut air supply to the roots
your water PH might be good, but inside the soil you may have nute hot spots and salt buildups
just in case I think you better give them a good flush, use 3-4 times the amount of water than your pots volume, you might also try to irrigate your soil with some long object in order to improve air supply to the roots, then give your plants a full dose of half strength nutes and some dolomite lime which should fix whenever you have mg or ca deficiencies, measure the temp in the point where the plants are closest to the lights, and if it too hot back off the light a bit
it's just that for most people here with problems... flushing seems to have the highest success rate, cuz all other solutions can potentially a) make things worse b) can cause another problems
good luck, I hope I have good luck with my plants as well, they show obvious signs of Mg deficiency, I gave them epsom salt, but if that doesn't work, it's flushing time for me as well
but it could as well be a composite, complex problem, you might have lockups, deficiency, poor oxygen in the soil, nute burn and the heat issue on top of that
what you wrote about your soil - clay like soil will turn into one big brick when you flower, thus cut air supply to the roots
your water PH might be good, but inside the soil you may have nute hot spots and salt buildups
just in case I think you better give them a good flush, use 3-4 times the amount of water than your pots volume, you might also try to irrigate your soil with some long object in order to improve air supply to the roots, then give your plants a full dose of half strength nutes and some dolomite lime which should fix whenever you have mg or ca deficiencies, measure the temp in the point where the plants are closest to the lights, and if it too hot back off the light a bit
it's just that for most people here with problems... flushing seems to have the highest success rate, cuz all other solutions can potentially a) make things worse b) can cause another problems
good luck, I hope I have good luck with my plants as well, they show obvious signs of Mg deficiency, I gave them epsom salt, but if that doesn't work, it's flushing time for me as well
gotot
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my plants are a bitch it get out of the room but i'll do what it takes. i was thinking about puncturing holes in the soil and flushing maybe even more times than that. the buildup is solid and will take awhile to flush
homegrownboy
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Good to hear...remember what I said earlier though...it'll really help with the leeching. Even letting it sit 15-20 min and then coming back and repeating the process will be so much easier and more effiecient then trying to do it all at once. Since it's bad...in my opinion, i'd leech the soil again the next time you'd need to water, just to be safe and sure. Only use a mild nute solution of about 5%.
I don't think his plants need to STARVE, the flush will remove all kind of food there is in that soil
Sick plants need food in order to have strength and recover, a 5% solution will not be enough IMHO
I am not that experienced but I try to follow common logic
you might also want to do something about that clay like soil of yours
I dunno if it will be wise to add some H2O2 to the water, it will most certainly improve O2 access to the roots, but it also might cause problems
It's better someone with more experience share his opinion
Either way that kind of soil is bound to problems - bad drainage builds nutes and salts up, cuts air supply to the roots, it has poor mineral distribution and so on and so on...
Sick plants need food in order to have strength and recover, a 5% solution will not be enough IMHO
I am not that experienced but I try to follow common logic
you might also want to do something about that clay like soil of yours
I dunno if it will be wise to add some H2O2 to the water, it will most certainly improve O2 access to the roots, but it also might cause problems
It's better someone with more experience share his opinion
Either way that kind of soil is bound to problems - bad drainage builds nutes and salts up, cuts air supply to the roots, it has poor mineral distribution and so on and so on...
homegrownboy
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Your right about the H2o2...add a capful of 3% hydrogen peroxide to every watering, this will be benifcial for 2 reasons...oxygenates the soil...and help rid pest and bacteria that could be harmful.
He will not "starve" his plants by using a 5% solution...the whole idea is to leech the soil...not feed it. The 5% solution will be perfect since his plants already have too much of some nutes, and not enough or none of others. I prefer to use no nutes when flushing...then at next watering I give them a half dose and then a full dose the following watering.
Your soil does have to be better drained...i use regular no nute soil and buy extra vermeculite and pearlite and add it to the soil, since there's never enough to allow good proper drainage. Make sure the soil is arounf the 6.0 -6.5PH, and your water shoud be the same as well around the 6.5 level...that way the plants will take up everything at the rate they need too.
cackpircings
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The leaves look really burnt. Pull your ppm down or just add water for the next couple of times. At least till you see the new growth normal again.
homegrownboy
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Dolomite is more used as a PH buffer then anything. It won't cure Mg or Cal.
homegrownboy
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Ok come on people...there are 6 pages here...read some and quit posting duplicate posts other's have wrote. The problems have already been figured out.
homegrownboy
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OMFG...dude...read one post up from yours...thank you.