is this the middle ages?

Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
eminent domain isn't used on a daily basis. it's used to move a large project forward, when it would be beneficial to a whole area. it can be abused, but i don't think it is often.
collateral damage? wtf are you talking about? are your neighbors super heroes? do they knock buildings down daily that fall across your property?
asset forfeiture can be abused, but it is usually used to keep criminals from profiting from their crimes. if the state is seizing your property, then you haven't been paying your property taxes....and no one gives a fuck whether you like paying them or not. we all pay them, you can too, or deal with the government taking your shit, lazy fucker....
property tax is a way for municipalities to be able to provide things like street lights, fire hydrants, man hole covers, police and fire service.....cutting back branches along roads....FUCKING EVERYTHING that gets done on a local level....most of us don't mind paying for that. if you do...then quit using our infrastructure. get the fuck off the road, and walk through the woods where ever you go. don't ever call the police or the fire squad...deal with it yourself....
society exists. deal with it. or withdraw, find a cave, and get the fuck off the grid.
you're a fucking hypocrite...telling us all how fucked up we are, while you're using all the same things we pay for......and a cheap fucking hypocrite at that
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If you had been the victim of eminent domain, the results of it for you EXIST EVERY DAY.

I've offered some examples in the past here that refute your post above, but instead of that I will refer you to page 117 of the book the Most Dangerous Superstition. The section on "forced benefits" is the pertinent section.

Please change your wet pants before reading the book. Thank you.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
i actually believe you...you obviously reside in an alternate reality than the rest of us do....so why not have coffee with sassquatch? let me know if the loch ness monster drops by, i've got a couple of questions for him
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Sasquatch told me he doesn't want to associate with you, until you change your wet pants. You're stealing his trademark smelliness.
 
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schuylaar

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Budley Doright said:
Well that’s great, you go girl!!! $110,000 plus 3+++’s that’s a lot, but not enough huh. And I may have missed it but then why are you accused of ripping people off for their stash? Sorry if it’s an awkward question but I’m curious and had to ask.
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i have no idea what you're talking about..please expand?
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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Rob Roy said:
If you had been the victim of eminent domain, the results of it for you EXIST EVERY DAY.

I've offered some examples in the past here that refute your post above, but instead of that I will refer you to page 117 of the book the Most Dangerous Superstition. The section on "forced benefits" is the pertinent section.

Please change your wet pants before reading the book. Thank you.
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yeah, things that happen to you personally do suck, for you, personally.
most of the time, immenent domain is used when one person is ignoring the good of many people. trying to block the building of a hospital, a power plant, a legal development that would benefit the entire community. not saying it can't be manipulated and used as a weapon, but i don't think it is very often. it's a very large, blunt, unwieldy weapon, and there are much better alternatives to get rid of an undesirable resident.
and the government is required to offer you fair market value for the property. they don't just take it and tell you tough shit. in many cases, they still allow the original owner use rights.
not that that makes it any easier to take when it happens to you.
all of this is just part of reality. things happen. the system IS flawed....but you haven't one time offered a viable alternative. not one.
anything you've offered as an alternative is far more flawed than what we already have in place. it may not seem that way to you, because you've manufactured your answers to fit your needs....but you are only one individual. you have to coexist with the rest of us, whether you like it or not. and your "solutions' have to work for the majority...or the majority will hang you from the nearest tree and try something else
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
yeah, things that happen to you personally do suck, for you, personally.
most of the time, immenent domain is used when one person is ignoring the good of many people. trying to block the building of a hospital, a power plant, a legal development that would benefit the entire community. not saying it can't be manipulated and used as a weapon, but i don't think it is very often. it's a very large, blunt, unwieldy weapon, and there are much better alternatives to get rid of an undesirable resident.
and the government is required to offer you fair market value for the property. they don't just take it and tell you tough shit. in many cases, they still allow the original owner use rights.
not that that makes it any easier to take when it happens to you.
all of this is just part of reality. things happen. the system IS flawed....but you haven't one time offered a viable alternative. not one.
anything you've offered as an alternative is far more flawed than what we already have in place. it may not seem that way to you, because you've manufactured your answers to fit your needs....but you are only one individual. you have to coexist with the rest of us, whether you like it or not. and your "solutions' have to work for the majority...or the majority will hang you from the nearest tree and try something else
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I sense that your indoctrination level is high and your anger is the internal struggle of what you've been taught versus what is actually true. There is a physiological reason for this, some people can overcome it. Some cannot.

Would you like to begin your education now or are you just going to stand there in your wet pants spraying spittle and ejaculating platitudes that have no basis in reality?
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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UncleBuck said:
[rob Roy decries age of consent laws and gets called a pedo]

KANGAROO COURT!
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I like that you used "decries" . It doesn't get enough use.

Now let's address your silly leap of failure that you hope to pass off as a coherent thought, being that it's held together by shit glue and innuendo.

Your mother doesn't smoke weed, but thinks putting people in jail for controlling their own body is wrong. Does that make your mother Pablo Escobar? No, it does not.
 
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schuylaar

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Rob Roy said:
I like that you used "decries" . It doesn't get enough use.

Now let's address your silly leap of failure that you hope to pass off as a coherent thought, being that it's held together by shit glue and innuendo.

Your mother doesn't smoke weed, but thinks putting people in jail for controlling their own body is wrong. Does that make your mother Pablo Escobar? No, it does not.
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does Bucky's mother really think that? she's a pro-lifer?
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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schuylaar said:
does Bucky's mother really think that? she's a pro-lifer?
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I have no idea, it was an example both to amuse myself and vex Bucky.

I'm sure she's a pleasant and well meaning lady who tried very hard to teach her son that public defecation on a floor of a restaurant is not a nice thing to do. But...kids...whatta ya gonna do?
 
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schuylaar

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Rob Roy said:
I have no idea, it was an example both to amuse myself and vex Bucky.

I'm sure she's a pleasant and well meaning lady who tried very hard to teach her son that public defecation on a floor of a restaurant is not a nice thing to do. But...kids...whatta ya gonna do?
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carry on.
 
TacoMac

TacoMac

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
eminent domain isn't used on a daily basis. it's used to move a large project forward, when it would be beneficial to a whole area. it can be abused, but i don't think it is often.
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Imminent domain is very much like the insanity defense: many people ignorant to the facts that watch far too much television think it's widespread and happens every day.

Both are actually quite rare.

Now, by rare I mean that it is actually very rare that anybody tries to invoke either. Even after it is attempted, it's extremely rare that either actually works.

Requirements must be met before either can even be heard in court. Of the cases that make it to court, less than 1% of either ever succeed.

One of the last major cases of imminent domain I can recall was the outer perimeter case here in Georgia.

It was filed to enable the government to buy out all of the property at current value to enable its construction.

It was laughed out of court with prejudice - meaning it can never again be brought to court.

The burden of proof for imminent domain is extraordinarily high. 99.3% of all cases never make it to court, let alone succeed.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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TacoMac said:
Imminent domain is very much like the insanity defense: many people ignorant to the facts that watch far too much television think it's widespread and happens every day.

Both are actually quite rare.

Now, by rare I mean that it is actually very rare that anybody tries to invoke either. Even after it is attempted, it's extremely rare that either actually works.

Requirements must be met before either can even be heard in court. Of the cases that make it to court, less than 1% of either ever succeed.

One of the last major cases of imminent domain I can recall was the outer perimeter case here in Georgia.

It was filed to enable the government to buy out all of the property at current value to enable its construction.

It was laughed out of court with prejudice - meaning it can never again be brought to court.

The burden of proof for imminent domain is extraordinarily high. 99.3% of all cases never make it to court, let alone succeed.
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But we agree that eminent domain is compulsory and doesn't require consent, just as rape and theft operate outside of mutual consent right?
 
londonfog

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Rob Roy said:
In my "utopia" , theft and murder would still occur, except no people would be exempt from responsibility when they do it,
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Who would hold them responsible and what would be the punishment for murdering you and your family, then taking your land ?
 
TacoMac

TacoMac

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Rob Roy said:
But we agree that eminent domain is compulsory and doesn't require consent, just as rape and theft operate outside of mutual consent right?
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No, we don't agree because you're an idiot.

Imminent domain only succeeds in the most obvious of cases and it almost always comes into court because of the simple greed of the subject at hand.

Layman's Example: I own 1000 acres of land under which lies a massive oil deposit. The Shell oil company comes to me and offers me a half billion dollars for the drilling rights.

I refuse, saying I want 5 billion dollars which is about double what the deposits are worth.

So Shell oil files a grievance with the federal government for imminent domain.

It goes to court. I will lose my ass.

It is factually inevitable that at some point my oil reserves will be required. That is beyond any doubt contrary to the bullshit in your head.

I was also offered a very fair price for the drilling rights, I simply was a greedy asshole.

So what the government will apply for is minimally invasive rights. What that mean is the government will take only the land required to gain access to the oil reserves and will only pay me for access.

So rather than making a half billion dollars and buying myself an island and a yacht, I'll be lucky to make about 5 million dollars and be looking out my window at oil rigs.

The key to imminent domain is to not be a greedy asshole. If you're not, you'll in all likelihood never face it.

There is, rarely, the other side of that.

If Shell offered me only 5 million when a fair offer would be far more, then it would work the other way. The government would determine what the value really is and offer Shell the chance to pay up.

If Shell refused, then the government would offer the rights to the highest bidder with that amount as the opening bid.

So, again, don't be a greedy asshole. In imminent domain cases, whoever's the greedy asshole is going to lose.
 
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