Hobbes
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Hey all! I saw this forum a while back but was probably high and forgot about it. I was looking through the forum list today and saw this place and thought "I didn't know we had a Subcool forum. Neat."
I've got JTR, JB and PB in flower and beans for Agent Orange, Querkel and The Flav. I top and do low stress training - bend the stems horizontal and around the rim of the bucket. Sort of like a screen-less scrog, portability but less efficient. It's just low stress training but I haven't seen it done this way around the forum so I'm naming it Crop Circle Of Bud - CCOB.
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These were my tops of my Jack The Ripper, Jilly Bean, Pandora's Box and Killer Chemdog. I rooted the cuttings and vegged to 4 nodes (~2") then put right into flower to sex the mothers. I germed 3 seeds of each and got 3 Jilly Bean, 3 Pandora's Box and 1 Jack The Ripper female; and 1 double sprout JTR seed that had 1 male and 1 female sprout. The double sprout female was a runt and I didn't top it but getting 8 for 9 females is a pretty good flip of the coin.
The Jilly Beans have an unbelievable Dreamcicle smell, all three. I though the ads might have exagerated a tad but they're understated if anything. 2 to 3 weeks of flower left. I don't get a huge yield with these but I get a nice taste long before the mother plants are ready. The 3 in a row on the left (PB, JB, PB) are all 14"-15". The tall Jilly Bean pheno on the far right is 24" (on right KCD, JB, JB with the slightly smaller JTR in front). 5 budcicles in each 5 gallon bucket. Both JTR have a strong lemon spice smell, fantastic.
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3 Jilly Beans CCOB at 4 weeks. (5 gallon buckets) They already smell of Dreamcicle. I veg my plants vertical to 22", topped once, and there usually ends up 46"-48" of stem grown in 6"-12" of height above the bucket rim. I did a Kali Mist in 4" just to see how short I could grow a sativa dominant. If I double top I get 60"+ of stem but it's a lot more work and time training a double topped plant. A single topped plant can sometimes be trained in a day, a week at most.
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This is the JB on the top left from above. It has 36 branches and the two colas, all 38 will become small colas with equal light.
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Jack The Ripper, Pandora's Box, and 2 Killer Chemdog - all look like they're dying but this is what plants look like during the first week of CCOB training. I've got the branches of each node connected with twist ties and stacked like playing cards fanned out. They'll lift towards the light over the next week and I'll train them up with more twist ties.
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2 Pandora's Box vegging in 6" pots, one at 19" and one at 16" - from the toppings. I'll train and put into flower at 22". The stems virtually stop growing when bent horizontal, the branches take off, so we have to veg to at least the circumference of the bucket ~38" for a standard 5 gallon bucket.
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Kali Mist on the left, a runt Bubblegum on the right. The Kali has about 6 weeks left and the Bubblegum 3. The KM was grown single stem and vegged in a 6" pot, the Bubblegum topped once and vegged in a 20 oz cup - it shows how important root growth is. My current veg room is a crawl space, I don't have much room. I'm putting up a black plastic wall in my flower room to make a larger veg area - I'll veg the plants in a 5 gallon pot for a week before putting them in flower, do the CCOB training in veg. I suspect that will increase yield, maybe shorten flower time. Anyone know about the flower time?
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Two Super Strawberry Diesel with 6' 4" inches of stem each plant (double topped), both are under 6" from the bucket rim. CCOB is a good way to grow if you have limited height or (like me) just don't like tall plants. Each stem goes from the center of the bucket to the edge (6"-1"= 5"), around 1/4 of the bucket (38"/4 ~ 9") and go up ~5" for 4 x 19" = 76" (6'4") of stem grown in less than 6"
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Top view. Each plant gave 2 liters (8-9 cups) of cured bud. I can comfortably fit 12 of these in my 8' x 3' garden with one 600 W light = ~6 gallons of bud per harvest. More once I learn to grow better, make my own soil and nutes, etc, etc ... . I'm doing a continuous harvest, eventually I'd like to harvest a plant or two every week, balance things out instead of trimming for days at a time. Since the stem virtually stops stretch when bent horizontal the nodes are much closer together than a vertical plant that's gone through stretch during flower, so more nodes (colas) per foot of stem.
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A long and side view of my garden (8' x 3'), 11 x 5 gallon pots and 2 x 6" pots. Light mover, 600 W HPS, air exhaust in ceiling and holes drilled in floor for air intake. It's just a 2"x4" frame with Reflectix walls and ceiling, plywood floor (four 2'x3' pannels to adjust for different height plants) on 2"x4" runners. The frame is in the middle of the room so I can roll up all of the walls to get at every plant in the garden without breaking my back.
The Light Rail and closed interior, the air exhaust on the middle left. Putting the Reflectix roof on brightened the room more than I thought it would.
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Some pics of early CCOB training. I started crossing the stems so they would follow their natural bow when bending around the bucket rim, it's reduces stem training times from over a week to a few days. I've completely trained a Flo in 15 minutes, it depends on the stem, type of plant, age, etc.
These two are Serious Bubblegum - double topped to 26" & 24". It took about a week to bend it safely, got to watch for creasing.
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Another angle. I didn't cross the stems, if I had I could have trained it in one day.
This is a Flo from the top just after trained. You can see the thin stem around the bucket rim. There was a long branch on the bottom that I stretched up through the middle of the bucket.
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I'll post pics of Subcool & MzJill's strains every couple of weeks.
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Hey all! I saw this forum a while back but was probably high and forgot about it. I was looking through the forum list today and saw this place and thought "I didn't know we had a Subcool forum. Neat."
I've got JTR, JB and PB in flower and beans for Agent Orange, Querkel and The Flav. I top and do low stress training - bend the stems horizontal and around the rim of the bucket. Sort of like a screen-less scrog, portability but less efficient. It's just low stress training but I haven't seen it done this way around the forum so I'm naming it Crop Circle Of Bud - CCOB.
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These were my tops of my Jack The Ripper, Jilly Bean, Pandora's Box and Killer Chemdog. I rooted the cuttings and vegged to 4 nodes (~2") then put right into flower to sex the mothers. I germed 3 seeds of each and got 3 Jilly Bean, 3 Pandora's Box and 1 Jack The Ripper female; and 1 double sprout JTR seed that had 1 male and 1 female sprout. The double sprout female was a runt and I didn't top it but getting 8 for 9 females is a pretty good flip of the coin.
The Jilly Beans have an unbelievable Dreamcicle smell, all three. I though the ads might have exagerated a tad but they're understated if anything. 2 to 3 weeks of flower left. I don't get a huge yield with these but I get a nice taste long before the mother plants are ready. The 3 in a row on the left (PB, JB, PB) are all 14"-15". The tall Jilly Bean pheno on the far right is 24" (on right KCD, JB, JB with the slightly smaller JTR in front). 5 budcicles in each 5 gallon bucket. Both JTR have a strong lemon spice smell, fantastic.
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3 Jilly Beans CCOB at 4 weeks. (5 gallon buckets) They already smell of Dreamcicle. I veg my plants vertical to 22", topped once, and there usually ends up 46"-48" of stem grown in 6"-12" of height above the bucket rim. I did a Kali Mist in 4" just to see how short I could grow a sativa dominant. If I double top I get 60"+ of stem but it's a lot more work and time training a double topped plant. A single topped plant can sometimes be trained in a day, a week at most.
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This is the JB on the top left from above. It has 36 branches and the two colas, all 38 will become small colas with equal light.
.
Jack The Ripper, Pandora's Box, and 2 Killer Chemdog - all look like they're dying but this is what plants look like during the first week of CCOB training. I've got the branches of each node connected with twist ties and stacked like playing cards fanned out. They'll lift towards the light over the next week and I'll train them up with more twist ties.
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2 Pandora's Box vegging in 6" pots, one at 19" and one at 16" - from the toppings. I'll train and put into flower at 22". The stems virtually stop growing when bent horizontal, the branches take off, so we have to veg to at least the circumference of the bucket ~38" for a standard 5 gallon bucket.
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Kali Mist on the left, a runt Bubblegum on the right. The Kali has about 6 weeks left and the Bubblegum 3. The KM was grown single stem and vegged in a 6" pot, the Bubblegum topped once and vegged in a 20 oz cup - it shows how important root growth is. My current veg room is a crawl space, I don't have much room. I'm putting up a black plastic wall in my flower room to make a larger veg area - I'll veg the plants in a 5 gallon pot for a week before putting them in flower, do the CCOB training in veg. I suspect that will increase yield, maybe shorten flower time. Anyone know about the flower time?
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Two Super Strawberry Diesel with 6' 4" inches of stem each plant (double topped), both are under 6" from the bucket rim. CCOB is a good way to grow if you have limited height or (like me) just don't like tall plants. Each stem goes from the center of the bucket to the edge (6"-1"= 5"), around 1/4 of the bucket (38"/4 ~ 9") and go up ~5" for 4 x 19" = 76" (6'4") of stem grown in less than 6"
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Top view. Each plant gave 2 liters (8-9 cups) of cured bud. I can comfortably fit 12 of these in my 8' x 3' garden with one 600 W light = ~6 gallons of bud per harvest. More once I learn to grow better, make my own soil and nutes, etc, etc ... . I'm doing a continuous harvest, eventually I'd like to harvest a plant or two every week, balance things out instead of trimming for days at a time. Since the stem virtually stops stretch when bent horizontal the nodes are much closer together than a vertical plant that's gone through stretch during flower, so more nodes (colas) per foot of stem.
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A long and side view of my garden (8' x 3'), 11 x 5 gallon pots and 2 x 6" pots. Light mover, 600 W HPS, air exhaust in ceiling and holes drilled in floor for air intake. It's just a 2"x4" frame with Reflectix walls and ceiling, plywood floor (four 2'x3' pannels to adjust for different height plants) on 2"x4" runners. The frame is in the middle of the room so I can roll up all of the walls to get at every plant in the garden without breaking my back.
The Light Rail and closed interior, the air exhaust on the middle left. Putting the Reflectix roof on brightened the room more than I thought it would.
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Some pics of early CCOB training. I started crossing the stems so they would follow their natural bow when bending around the bucket rim, it's reduces stem training times from over a week to a few days. I've completely trained a Flo in 15 minutes, it depends on the stem, type of plant, age, etc.
These two are Serious Bubblegum - double topped to 26" & 24". It took about a week to bend it safely, got to watch for creasing.
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Another angle. I didn't cross the stems, if I had I could have trained it in one day.
This is a Flo from the top just after trained. You can see the thin stem around the bucket rim. There was a long branch on the bottom that I stretched up through the middle of the bucket.
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I'll post pics of Subcool & MzJill's strains every couple of weeks.
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maybe ill just have to drop my morals and take one for the college haha +rep for the link never heard of them..m do they ship to us? Are they discreet and stealh? And most of all am I gonna get ripped off? Thanks again man
