January 6th, 2021

How Jan. 6 Really Began Back On Dec. 14

The attack on the United States Capitol, six days into the new year, actually started on the December day when the Electoral College cast their votes. At that point, the vote certification which took place on January 6 was supposed to be a mere formality.

This is Colbert from a year ago, just after the 1/6 insurrection, he was pissed.
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Fogdog said:

Finding good legal representation and funds to pay whatever it takes is my guess.

Just riffing. If somebody has wealth over a certain limit, make it so they CAN'T pay for a lawyer. The have to accept a randomly appointed public defender who is paid the same, whether they represent a homeless person or a fat cat.

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I think that would be found to be unconstitutional, at least the rich would use the good lawyers to make that case before you took away their legal representation.

I just think the financial penalties need to be greater than the proceeds from the crime. Take all of it and hire some damn good forensic accountants to track down all the cash that was moved various places to hide. Make them no longer rich.

My guess is that it would be fruitless and any law like that would be used to go after shoplifters or something.

There's always the option to drag a few out and shoot them. Lookin at you Sackler family.

HGCC said:

My guess is that it would be fruitless and any law like that would be used to go after shoplifters or something.

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They do it in other democratic countries, the system is set up that way, from cash bail, to endless appeals by those who can afford them. Many justifications are reluctant to bust the super rich, their trial would break them and the guilty would hire private eyes to spy on everybody involved looking for anything they could find. The life's of public officials would be destroyed or they would be bribed. One just needs to look at Trump as an extreme example of this, but it happens everyday from getting off on DUI's, right up to murder.

CatHedral said:

Similar question. Fair taxation (by what scheme? The devil is in the numbers!) is opposed by the elected majority. Explain how you would make the thing happen against that legislative will.

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how about we start with anyone who pays $0 that's a good indicator of unfair..so anything north of that is fair.

why don't we dismantle the '2017 tax cut for the wealthy while raising everyone else Bill'?

i have one vote friend that at least i'm sure is still being counted. i have my voice here and keep it simple so i can get my voice across to all.

one thing to be true and never waver is timing. nothing is done in Congress until the very last minute. nothing.

explain how? currently Joe Manchin is not WV's favorite son. that's how. the people wake the fvck up.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/2022/01/03/trump-supporters-on-january-6-one-year-later-orig-jm.cnn/video/playlists/business-news/

how can these ignorant fucks believe this shit? how badly do you have to be brainwashed to buy into this horseshit? i think these people all need supervision, they're obviously not responsible to make important decisions on their own, if they're this easily deluded

schuylaar said:

how about we start with anyone who pays $0 that's a good indicator of unfair..so anything north of that is fair.

why don't we dismantle the '2017 tax cut for the wealthy while raising everyone else Bill'? i have one vote friend that at least i'm sure is still being counted.

one thing to be true and never waver is timing. nothing is done in Congress until the very last minute. nothing.

explain how? currently Joe Manchin is not WV's favorite son. that's how. the people wake the fvck up.

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Not a word of this addresses the real problem. Describe a tax scheme that stands a chance of being passed. With the polarization between parties, do you think for one second that the Rs will back (or not sink) any measure that reduces the Donor Class’s massive advantage?

This is why I asked for something that’ll survive Congress, not what you think might be fair. I too have my thoughts about tax reform, and not one I imagine would make it off the floor.

HGCC said:

I think that would be found to be unconstitutional, at least the rich would use the good lawyers to make that case before you took away their legal representation.

I just think the financial penalties need to be greater than the proceeds from the crime. Take all of it and hire some damn good forensic accountants to track down all the cash that was moved various places to hide. Make them no longer rich.

My guess is that it would be fruitless and any law like that would be used to go after shoplifters or something.

There's always the option to drag a few out and shoot them. Lookin at you Sackler family.

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there is nothing intrinsically wrong with accumulating wealth...if that's what drives someone, then more power to them, as long as they pay their taxes, i have no problem. if you try to get rid of wealthy people, theres going to be repercussions, because wealthy people are the ones who own businesses and supply jobs...there certainly needs to be more controls, more worker rights, more taxes applied in appropriate situations, laws that apply to everyone...but it seems like everyone is trying to make wealthy people extinct, and if you succeed at that, then there are going to be a whole lot more unemployed people, zero jobs growth, and a crashing economy...

Roger A. Shrubber said:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/2022/01/03/trump-supporters-on-january-6-one-year-later-orig-jm.cnn/video/playlists/business-news/

how can these ignorant fucks believe this shit? how badly do you have to be brainwashed to buy into this horseshit? i think these people all need supervision, they're obviously not responsible to make important decisions on their own, if they're this easily deluded

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it's like a trip to the asylum in the 60s.

CatHedral said:

Not a word of this addresses the real problem. Describe a tax scheme that stands a chance of being passed. With the polarization between parties, do you think for one second that the Rs will back (or not sink) any measure that reduces the Donor Class’s massive advantage?

This is why I asked for something that’ll survive Congress, not what you think might be fair. I too have my thoughts about tax reform, and not one I imagine would make it off the floor.

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let me have my first cup of coffee.

schuylaar said:

let me have my first cup of coffee.

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Take your time and enjoy. I should walk the pup.

For congress people who don't show up for subpoenas, have the sergeant at arms arrest them when they get on the capitol grounds and hold them in custody in a rented DC jail cell until their next appointment with the 1/6 panel. They only need to jail Jordan in the congressional dudgeon while recommending charges to the DOJ, there would be no double jeopardy either. The rest will quickly come around, pick the first target with care.

They need to make it clear there will be no delay or uncooperative behavior from congress people subpoenaed by the committee tolerated and consequences will be harsh and immediate. Let them whine and scream, they are already at top volume now and a bit more will make little difference. Believe it or not, most on the right are authoritarian and will understand, respect and even approve, but will whine and bitch about freedumb.
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Roger A. Shrubber said:

there is nothing intrinsically wrong with accumulating wealth...if that's what drives someone, then more power to them, as long as they pay their taxes, i have no problem. if you try to get rid of wealthy people, theres going to be repercussions, because wealthy people are the ones who own businesses and supply jobs...there certainly needs to be more controls, more worker rights, more taxes applied in appropriate situations, laws that apply to everyone...but it seems like everyone is trying to make wealthy people extinct, and if you succeed at that, then there are going to be a whole lot more unemployed people, zero jobs growth, and a crashing economy...

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Not opposed to wealthy rich people, I do in fact work for them and their assets, the vast majority are fine upstanding folks.

They are able to use that wealth to skirt the law though, in cases where that occurs or if it's a financial crime of some sort, take all their shit and leave them to fend as normal folks.

Stuff like this is wrong.

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schuylaar said:

Even Canadians fear US democracy could end soon | CNN

From an author's book to a political scientist's warning, these are sobering reminders that if our democratic Republic ends it will have repercussions not just for our nation but the world, Dean Obeidallah writes.

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That's why I'm here, to get a heads up and spout off, since I can't work the elections or vote down there, if I did, I'd be volunteering with a local organization with a plan to win local elections for the people who control the vote and count it, as well as for political candidates. The internet can have an impact and a Canadian who put their mind to it and some effort might sway many votes in America and in effect, have more political power than an American who just votes and watches the news, the reverse is also true. The threat to American democracy is a threat to Canada's national security, the biggest threat we in Canada face.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

there is nothing intrinsically wrong with accumulating wealth...if that's what drives someone, then more power to them, as long as they pay their taxes, i have no problem. if you try to get rid of wealthy people, theres going to be repercussions, because wealthy people are the ones who own businesses and supply jobs...there certainly needs to be more controls, more worker rights, more taxes applied in appropriate situations, laws that apply to everyone...but it seems like everyone is trying to make wealthy people extinct, and if you succeed at that, then there are going to be a whole lot more unemployed people, zero jobs growth, and a crashing economy...

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Seems is the important bit to remember. Shit you can even listen to Elizabeth Warren and hear her say outright that she has no problem with capitalism nor wealthy people and businesses. It is just that their use of tax loopholes that they lobbied into existence is in desperate need of a change.

But trolls using selective edits will make it 'seem' otherwise with all their noise.