Roger A. Shrubber
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god damn, i never knew trump could be that fucking funny...fair and free domocracy...oh, that's too good, i need a drink...
January 6th hearings on Trump's failed insurrection.
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captainmorgan
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Conviction of Stewart Rhodes (or any of the other high-ranking leaders of the Oath Keepers) for seditious conspiracy will immediately disqualify all of their members from ever holding public office in the United States of America.
Any current police officer who willingly associated themselves with the Oath Keepers (or any affiliated group) will be fired immediately upon conviction of Stewart Rhodes.
Any current police officer who willingly associated themselves with the Oath Keepers (or any affiliated group) will be fired immediately upon conviction of Stewart Rhodes.
DIY-HP-LED
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Didn't they have 20K cops, former cops, and firefighters? Garland doesn't bring these kinds of cases unless he knows he will win them.
captainmorgan
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Michigan’s Attorney General announces that the fake Republican electors who tried to help Trump steal Biden’s win by forging documents are now facing at least 19 years in prison.
Roger A. Shrubber
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i highly doubt they'll fire many cops over this, if any...every department in the country has different rules about what officers are permitted to do when off duty...i agree that they should be fired and prevented from ever being a police officer again, but i just don't see it happening much
hanimmal
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Agreed. Also 'liking' a post by racists and being counted as a supporter to make it look like their little white nationalist gang is larger than it is, doesn't mean they are anything more than a dickhead who should be observed and not necessarily fired.
captainmorgan
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They may be able to ignore the law in some red states for a while, in blue states they will be canned.
Roger A. Shrubber
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what law are you refering to? i'm not aware of any law that stops a police officer from being a member of an outside organization, unless it's a criminal organization, and while the proud boys and other white hate groups may have criminal members, the organizations themselves aren't illegal, although they should be...
captainmorgan
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Once the oath keepers are found guilty of a sedition charge the organization will be outlawed and membership illegal, a membership would be grounds for criminal investigation and termination. Guilt of sedition bars anyone from holding office.
captainmorgan
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One of the fake Republican electors who tried to help Trump steal Biden’s win by forging documents reveals that he was ordered to do so by “an attorney working on behalf of Trump in Washington, D.C."
C. Nesbitt
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Will be interesting to see how this all shakes out. Said attorney could be Rudy Giuliani or Sydney Powell though. This smells of their brand of stupid ideas to serve their boss’ ego. Better for the investigation if it was someone in an official position in the administration.
hanimmal
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My money would be on the DeVos linked ones. Her and her insurrectionist family has been in the thick of selling out our nation for a long time.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/devos-bradley-claremont-trump-election-fraud-insurrection-1274253/
The Claremont Institute, once a little-known think tank often confused with the liberal-arts college of the same name, has emerged as a driving force in the conservative movement’s crusade to use bogus fraud claims about the 2020 election to rewrite voting laws and remake the election system in time for the 2022 midterms and 2024 presidential election. Most infamously, one of the group’s legal scholars crafted memos outlining a plan for how then-Vice President Mike Pence could potentially overturn the last election.
Conservative mega-donors like what they see.
The biggest right-wing megadonors in America made major contributions to Claremont in 2020 and 2021, according to foundation financial records obtained by Rolling Stone. The high-profile donors include several of the most influential families who fund conservative politics and policy: the DeVoses of West Michigan, the Bradleys of Milwaukee, and the Scaifes of Pittsburgh.
The Dick and Betsy DeVos Foundation donated $240,000 to Claremont in 2020 and approved another $400,000 to be paid out in the future, tax records show. The Bradley Foundation donated $100,000 to Claremont in 2020 and another $100,000 in 2021, according to tax records and a spokeswoman for the group. The Sarah Scaife Foundation, one of several charities tied to the late right-wing billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife, supplied another $450,000 to Claremont in 2020, according to its latest tax filings.
Claremont’s own tax filings show that its revenue rose from 2019 to 2020 by a half-million dollars to $6.2 million, one of the highest sums since the organization was founded in 1979, according to the most recent available data. A Claremont spokesman said the group wouldn’t comment about its donors beyond publicly available data but estimated that Claremont’s revenue for the 2021 fiscal year had increased to $7.5 million.
The DeVoses, Bradleys, and Scaifes are among the most prominent donor families in conservative politics. For Bradley and Scaife, the giving to Claremont tracks with a long history of funding right-wing causes and advocacy groups, from the American Enterprise Institute think tank and the “bill mill” American Legislative Exchange Council, to anti-immigration zealot David Horowitz’s Freedom Center and the climate-denying Heartland Institute.
Bradley in particular has given heavily to groups that traffic in misleading or baseless claims about “election integrity” or widespread “voter fraud.” Thanks to a $6.5 million infusion from the Bradley Impact Fund, a related nonprofit, the undercover-sting group Project Veritas nearly doubled its revenue in 2020 to $22 million, according to the group’s tax filing. Bradley is also a long-time funder of the Heritage Foundation, which helped architect the wave of voter suppression bills introduced in state legislatures this year, and True the Vote, a conservative group that trains poll watchers and stokes fears of rampant voter fraud in the past.
The Bradley Foundation was founded in 1942 by the Bradley family. Brothers Harry and Lynde Bradley co-founded the Allen-Bradley company, which would later provide much of the funding for the Bradley Foundation. The nonprofit, which has given out more than $1 billion in its history, no longer has any Bradley family members on its board.
But while the Bradley donations are to be expected, the contributions from the Dick and Betsy DeVos Foundation to Claremont are perhaps more surprising. Betsy DeVos, in one of her final acts as Trump’s education secretary, condemned the “angry mob” on January 6 and said “the law must be upheld and the work of the people must go on.”
A spokesman for the DeVoses, Nick Wasmiller, said Betsy DeVos’s letter “speaks for itself.” He added: “Claremont does work in many areas. It would be baseless to assert the Foundation’s support has any connection to the one item you cite.” While the foundation’s 2020 tax filing said its grants to Claremont were unrestricted, Wasmiller said the filing was wrong and the money had been earmarked. However, he declined to say what it was earmarked for.
The donations flowing into Claremont illustrate that although the group’s full-throated support for Trump and fixation on election crimes may be extreme, they’re not fringe views when they have the backing of influential conservative funders. “Were it not for the patronage of billionaire conservatives and their family foundations, the Claremont Institute would likely be relegated to screaming about its anti-government agenda on the street corner,” says Kyle Herrig, president of government watchdog group Accountable.US.
The Claremont spokesman responded to Herrig’s comment by saying “We think the dark money behind Accountable.US, under left-wing umbrella groups like Arabella Advisors, are threats to democracy and Western civilization. We defer to Herrig’s expertise on street corners.”
The Claremont Institute’s mission, as its president, Ryan Williams, recently put it, is to “save Western civilization.” Since the 2016 presidential race, Claremont tried to give an intellectual veneer to the frothy mix of nativism and isolationism represented by candidate Donald Trump. The think tank was perhaps best known for its magazine, the Claremont Review of Books, and on the eve of the ’16 election, the Review published an essay called “The Flight 93 Election,” comparing the choice facing Republican voters to that of the passengers who ultimately chose to bring down the fourth plane on September 11th. If conservatives didn’t rush the proverbial cockpit, the author, identified by the pen name Publius Decius Mus, “death is certain. To compound the metaphor: a Hillary Clinton presidency is Russian Roulette with a semi-auto. With Trump, at least you can spin the cylinder and take your chances.”
The essay’s author, later revealed to be a conservative writer named Michael Anton, went to work in the Trump White House, which made sense given his description in “Flight 93 Election” of “the ceaseless importation of Third World foreigners with no tradition of, taste for, or experience in liberty means that the electorate grows more left, more Democratic, less Republican, less republican, and less traditionally American with every cycle.”
Former Claremont scholars said they were aghast by the think tank’s full-on embrace of Trump in 2016. “The Claremont Institute spent 36 years as a resolutely anti-populist institution, [and] preached rightly that norms and institutions were hard to build and easy to destroy, so to watch them suddenly embrace Trump in May 2016 was like if PETA suddenly published a barbecue cookbook,” one former fellow told Vice News.
C. Nesbitt
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Off topic from the insurrection a little but the ultra-wealthy influence here is disturbing. The idea that these folks have convinced working class Americans that they really have their best interests in mind is a huge magical trick. It’s right up there with the devil’s biggest trick being convincing the world that he doesn’t exist - figuratively speaking of course. These bastards are trying to cement their hold on the levers of power. Meanwhile they have conservative media commentators in their pockets and get them to turn around and scream “look at Soros and Gates!” to give cover to what they are really doing. Diobolical really.
captainmorgan
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The Devos family has had a lot of experience at lying to the public, they created Amway which is a company dedicated to screwing the public.
hanimmal
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I don't think it is off topic at all. I think it is the most direct reason that January 6th even happened.
Brainwashing people to not care about being lied to because of the PeeWee Herman troll (I know you are but what am I) is entirely frustratingly effective. Anything and everything that they do is almost certainly been set up so that their cult will associate it with 'the Democrats' being the ones doing it, so even if it is something that a person might really care about they can 'both sides' or 'what about' the discussion on, and still feel less than a traitor to democracy when they vote for these insurrectionist Republicans (who really only are legislating for the ones like DeVos, Murdoch, and Koch who are paying for the brainwashing to be done).
It needs to end. And it won't because they bought and paid for control of the current SCOTUS thanks to McConnell, Trump and seemingly the Republicans in office.
It is crazy how easy it is to forget about that. Not just lying, but getting a cult together to send all their money up the ladder as they scam the public.
C. Nesbitt
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I never really put together how the same cult manipulation playbook from Amway was being used to scam the public with Trump’s rise before. Great parallel. Diabolical again (even spelled correctly this time).
FYI - I wasn’t calling you out for going off topic, I was hedging since I thought my own post was straying a little.
hanimmal
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I figured, I was saying I didn't think you were off topic at all.
captainmorgan
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These scammers are every where, one of those cheap TV collectibles companies, can't remember the name right now but they sold those plates and other crap. They have now set their sights on taking over water rights in California, Once they perfect scamming the public they make it a family tradition and pass their grifting skills onto the next generation.
printer
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Jan. 6 panel subpoenas Rudy Giuliani, Sidney Powell
The House Committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol subpoenaed former President Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani on Tuesday along with three other campaign attorneys linked with efforts to overturn the 2020 election results: Jenna Ellis, Sidney Powell and Boris Epshteyn.
The subpoena goes after the core of Trump’s legal team after the Nov. 3 election, a group that prepared legal arguments following his loss and pushed his baseless claims of election fraud alongside campaign efforts focused on the congressional certification on Jan. 6.
“The Select Committee is looking into the causes that contributed to the violence on January 6th, including attempts to promote unsupported claims of election fraud and pressure campaigns to overturn the 2020 election results. The four individuals we’ve subpoenaed today advanced unsupported theories about election fraud, pushed efforts to overturn the election results, or were in direct contact with the former President about attempts to stop the counting of electoral votes,” Chair Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.) said in a statement.
The subpoena to Giuliani, a former New York City mayor and close Trump adviser throughout his presidency, focuses both on his ability to offer insight into the former president state of mind in the days surrounding Jan. 6 as well as his work pushing claims of election fraud in appearances on television and in court rooms across the country.
“You actively promoted claims of election fraud on behalf of former President Trump and sought to convince state legislators to take steps to overturn the election results,” the committee wrote in its subpoena to Giuliani.
The subpoena also notes that he “urged President Trump to direct the seizure of voting machines around the country after being told that the Department of Homeland Security had no lawful authority to do so.”
Ellis and Powell were also members of what Ellis called an “elite strike force team” assembled in November to combat Biden’s electoral victory.
Much like with Giuliani, the subpoenas to the two women focus on false statements they made.
Ellis’s, however, references her work in formulating the strategy used on Jan. 6, writing that she “prepared and circulated two memos purporting to analyze the constitutional authority for the Vice President to reject or delay counting electoral votes from states that had submitted alternate slates of electors.”
The committee has already subpoenaed another who helped craft the memos, attorney John Eastman.
thehill.com
The House Committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol subpoenaed former President Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani on Tuesday along with three other campaign attorneys linked with efforts to overturn the 2020 election results: Jenna Ellis, Sidney Powell and Boris Epshteyn.
The subpoena goes after the core of Trump’s legal team after the Nov. 3 election, a group that prepared legal arguments following his loss and pushed his baseless claims of election fraud alongside campaign efforts focused on the congressional certification on Jan. 6.
“The Select Committee is looking into the causes that contributed to the violence on January 6th, including attempts to promote unsupported claims of election fraud and pressure campaigns to overturn the 2020 election results. The four individuals we’ve subpoenaed today advanced unsupported theories about election fraud, pushed efforts to overturn the election results, or were in direct contact with the former President about attempts to stop the counting of electoral votes,” Chair Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.) said in a statement.
The subpoena to Giuliani, a former New York City mayor and close Trump adviser throughout his presidency, focuses both on his ability to offer insight into the former president state of mind in the days surrounding Jan. 6 as well as his work pushing claims of election fraud in appearances on television and in court rooms across the country.
“You actively promoted claims of election fraud on behalf of former President Trump and sought to convince state legislators to take steps to overturn the election results,” the committee wrote in its subpoena to Giuliani.
The subpoena also notes that he “urged President Trump to direct the seizure of voting machines around the country after being told that the Department of Homeland Security had no lawful authority to do so.”
Ellis and Powell were also members of what Ellis called an “elite strike force team” assembled in November to combat Biden’s electoral victory.
Much like with Giuliani, the subpoenas to the two women focus on false statements they made.
Ellis’s, however, references her work in formulating the strategy used on Jan. 6, writing that she “prepared and circulated two memos purporting to analyze the constitutional authority for the Vice President to reject or delay counting electoral votes from states that had submitted alternate slates of electors.”
The committee has already subpoenaed another who helped craft the memos, attorney John Eastman.
Jan. 6 panel subpoenas Rudy Giuliani, Sidney Powell
The House Committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol subpoenaed former President Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani on Tuesday along with three other campaign attorneys linke…
thehill.com