Jigfresh's Closet Flooded Tube Vert Scrog - 1000w

whodatnation

whodatnation

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you remember this one? worked quite well for me. I decided to put this together after I stripped the threads on one similar to yours... not to mention it hurt up the hands pretty good twisting that thing.
I rubbed a lightly oiled paper towel (veggie oil) through the tube before each press to keep it from sticking inside,,, otherwise getting it out is pretty tuff.

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jigfresh

jigfresh

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I did remember that. Was just thinking of it this morning. I sure wish I had somewhere like a garage to do shit like that in. Space is of such a premium around here. I'll have room soon enough to have fun. And yeah... it does do a number on your hands/ wrists. I was thinking of making 1 or 2 gram blocks, but thought, fuck that, I'm doing this is as few batches as possible.

If I can get the funds from this stuff, I'm gonna buy a really good one in the future. Just found these... same as yours but in metal. http://trimproshop.com/presses.html

I'll try the veggie oil thing next time.

Those jacks sure are something. We lifted my neighbors house up with a 6 ton bottle jack. Was pretty fun. FYI we were doing it to make the place level, not just having a laugh, hehe.
 
whodatnation

whodatnation

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yeah man, the press I was using was free .99 lol. I had the jack lying around and the frame is just 2x4 and screws ;-)

wow! that 6ton jackpuck is 470?!!! lol,I'll stick with mine hehe... Sheesh we sure get screwed by grow related stuff :-(
 
jigfresh

jigfresh

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That's the truth. I like all the cheap shit I have. It may be a pain sometimes, but I feel like my grampa's grandson for not shelling out money for shit I can make myself (well most of the time anyways).

Glad to have you ridin along whodat.
 
bekindbud

bekindbud

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Thats awesome Whod....

Damn jig you got some flavors of Keif!!! Good shit man! Thanks for the pics of your press.

Peace

BKB
 
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dieselbyrd

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jigfresh said:
Bring it bro... that's what I'm here for. Much love for reading all my shizz. I bet you feel like ya know me.

Wow.... been here near 2 years and I get your first post. No joke... I'm quite honored. THANKS!
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Hey good posts motivate you to speak back and theres definately always an unseen bond between growers and plants alike. OK so for the question I'll promptly apologize for the crappy pictures i suck at MSpaint, and my scanner isnt working so I cant show you how much I suck at drawing too. lol

Some background information, i plan on two plants occupying a 3' by 3&1/2' area and they will be lit by two 400w lights in cooltubes. They would be scrogged as per your design, but the screen will be 42"(height) by 48"(width) instead of 36"(actual plant height) by 32"(my guesstimate for your plant width while bent). Also I would like for these two screens to completely surround the bulbs. They will be grown in 10 gallon DMC(Deep Media Culture) or Waterfall buckets whatever you want to call it its basically a bucket filled with perlite, and a water pump in the bottom "reservoir" recirculates nutrients by pumping them up a long pvc column or 2 where the water is spread for more surface area and dropped 2&1/2' for aeration. The question is as far as yield goes which do you think would be the more efficient of the two training methods to grow the plant untopped in christmas tree style or to top it so theres two tops and those fill up the screen. The problem I was thinking i would have with the second design is that there may be overcrowding in the center where the two top's branches are both tied down... But i did notice in your second grow that it seem the biggest buds formed at branch ends rather than at the middle nodes so i was thinking maybe i would do some selective pruning along where i marked i red to give branch ends maximum light and maybe up my yield. You got 10oz from the Casey that run with an 8 week veg and there was only vegitation 2/3's around the light. My goal in to pull an lb per plant in a perpetual setup with 10 weeks veg and 10 weeks flower basically a pound plant out every 5 weeks. Side questions do you think it better to use two 400's or a 600 i know the 600 had almost double the lumens so it could do the job of two 400's but im worried about the vertical spread of light. And do you think a 100gph pump could fully aerate my solution (about 3 gallons in bucket at any tume)i noted that u were using a 400gph pump for 10 gals of water(not sure if that changed) so i think with the high waterfall it should work. So without further adue the ugly pics

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jigfresh

jigfresh

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Hey diesel... nice little write up. I can tell you've been thinking about this. First of all, I don't totally understand the DMC thing. Is there a separation in the bucket between the part filled with perlite and the 'rez'. I stopped for a few minutes to think about this DMC thing and I think it sounds pretty cool. So is the point of having the media in there so that the roots spread out instead of just hang? And where did you hear about this? I googled it and couldn't find anything. Lol, got to the wikipedia article for Drum & Bass, haha. So the pump takes the water up, it falls down the tube and hits a 'bottom' making it aerated, then flows out the outlet hole into the top of the media where it runs down through and back to the bottom. Is that close? I know that's now what you are asking about, but it has me interested.

Not sure that it matters at all, but those screens were 28" wide. And the casey grew to about 40" tall. I guess the plants were a little wider than the screen so yeah, about 36 inches wide, and a tiny bit taller than 36". You are correct in that the ends of the branches were where all the weight came from. I was explaining this to someone and realized what I sorta did with those plants was lollipop each branch. I cut all secondary branches off the main ones growing out the stem. So all that stuff in the middle are popcorn buds.

I don't think the topping bit would work out too well. In my eyes it would just be too crowded. I think the way to make the topping work out the best would be to train it like this: Train 1.jpg
but I that doesn't seem like it would work too well. Just not the best use of space. In the pic I drew a circle (or whatever you wanna call it) where the problems would be. There would be a lot of big buds there, and if you cut one of the branches short you would lose a lot of herb from it. So my vote would be the christmas tree action.

I'll get back to the training, but first I think 2-400's would be better than 1-600. I've always been of the opinion that there is no way you can do bare bulbs in such a small space... but... my buddy dezracer has a 1000w bare bulb in a 40" x 40" tent and it's doing fine. I know you are planning on a cool tube, but you might give it a run with the bulbs bare and see what the temps are. Maybe the bottom one bare and the top cool tubed??? Not sure, but I would love to get rid of my glass if I could. I don't think it's possible, but I'm going to see what the temps get up to when I get my 1000w bulb back. Is there any way you would go for 2-600's? That might be the ticket. Those sixes are so efficient. Either way, I vote for 2 lights over 1. Better spread. Plus you can make one MH if you feel so inclined.

You going to get digital balasts or magnetic? And what kinda bulbs you looking at? Are you gonna post pics when things get going?Ok back to training. I have thought about this alot, not sure if it's even do-able... but if you could pull it off you would be a legend. It's hard to discribe so I'm going to make a bunch of shitty pics. I'm so glad we have similar artistic abilities, ha

So I drew some stuff... here's what I think would work good. Take all the main branches, meaning the ones coming from the stalk, and train them like I did... menorah style. Then take the secondary branches, the ones growing from the main branches and pull them back, then forward so that their tips are at the screen level. And what I would do is totally strip the main branches of budsites, except for the ends and the branches growing off them. Then for the secondary branches totally strip them, except for the ends. Then you would have the outline of big buds, and the center would be full of big buds as well. It would probably look like frankenstein during veg and into the beginning of flower, but once everything budded up it would be grenade size buds over the whole entire screen.

Not sure if you get what I mean.

The first pic is a top view if you only cut the secondary branches from the back of the screen, but let everything else grow. The second pic there is a top view and a front view. It makes sense to me, lol.
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EDIT: I think a 100 gal/ hour pump would work for each bucket, sure. I don't think it could hurt to get bigger ones though, lol. Oh, and how does it get spread out over the top of the pot?

peace
 
rzza

rzza

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jig i got somethin for that ass baby, just wait. imma pm you a youtube link, maybe tomorrowish.
 
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dieselbyrd

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OK first the design, I agree in that the christmas tree seems more fit for my situation so I think i'll go with that. I'll be using digital ballast with a hps and a mh if i can find an appropriately sized bulb. Im trying to cut power consumtion low as possible so I dont think I want to go over 800w but another idea i had would be to use two 600w bulbs but run each 6/18 right after eachother so their combined light adds up to a 12/12 period and this way it would be like(in terms of lumens) the top is getting hit with two 400's for six hours then the bottom gets hit with two 400's for six hours not to mention the residual light from the top and bottom of bulbs. Thinking to use Digilux enhanced spectrum bulbs and lumatek ballasts. Also for the training plan i know what you mean i never thought about that its perfect for size control too. Another idea i had since im using a cooltube so plants can get closer to the bub, would be to do a double lollipopping meaning removing the budsites along the main branches but letting the secondary branches grow a couple nodes towards the light then taking off their first nodes near the screen. Maybe tie some strings across the screen front for support of the secondary branches. This way they would be in position to receive more lumens.... Id probably still have to tie them back for getting too long though. I firmly believe that since there was still a third of space around the bulb that means the casey if filled would increase in yield by half so 15oz. Meaning a pound plant shouldnt be so difficult with more light plus your added guidance.

Now for the DMC buckets i got the idea from a fellow grower who has been testing it out. Basically D.O. gets into water via aeraetion(rapid moving water) or diffusion(coming into contact with air). So the idea is that to get the max amount of D.O. from your given rate of moving water is to increase the amount of area that it comes into contact with air. So as for the reservoir its as simple as a hempy bucket whereever the water stops the res. stops and you use a drain level tube like the one you used with your dwc buckets to see water level. The pumps is either inside the bucket, protected from roots by a cap(anythink like a dish or small pot with many small hole to let water in) which is painted in microkote or spinoff(copper based non soluble paints that burn off roots that touch then while not being leached into the water), or outside the bucket as a through style pump. The point of filling it with media(perlite specifically) is that perlite is a very porous medium meaning its has many little gaps and holes for both water and air to be held giving it strong wicking abilities while retaining its aeration properties. This decreases the amount of solution that needs to be in the system at any time and though this makes for more often maintenance it would ensure against root rot as well as give better control over ph and nutrient strengths since there is less solution left over in the system to mix with the new premixed solution(while keeping roots constantly supplied with aerated nutes all the way up the medium). Another aspect is the option to hybridize it with root pruning capability which is as easy as cutting holes aroung bucket and using landscape screening to keep medium in. The idea behind root pruning is that when the tips of roots venture outside of the bucket they are no longer kept moist and are burned off by the surrounding air , this causes roots to branch from the center making for a thicker root system while eliminating root circling (rootbound). Sooooo the feed line leaves the pump and travels up the pvc of desired length(or 2 pipes and feed line split on "tee") where it pumps water onto a :spreader" the spreader could be as simple as a piece of cardboard wrapped in duct tape and glued inside, it jus has to turn the stream coming from the feed like into a sheet of water so there is more surface area. The D.O. in the system is actually created AS the water falls through the pipe before it hits the res where only the films of water directly on top is in contact with atmospheric air. Now if I want a constant feed from top all I would have to do is move the pipe up and run 3/8" or similar size tubing from return pipe to medium. For the return pipe the longer ther better cause theres more area the solution is coming in contact with air to absorb D.O through diffusion. k more ugly pics
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jigfresh

jigfresh

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Hahahahah D. I love it. Not all of us can grow perfection with no nutrients, no soil, no pots, no light. You just put a seed on your window sill and 2 months later you have wonderful buds, hehe. But seriously, I always fancied myself a scientists, so here's my big chance to do something with that stuff.

It's really nice to have you back around bru. I for one missed having you around. Sucks that the doc wants you back. :(

Speaking of the moon.... Do you (meaning anyone reading this) believe that man has been to the moon?

I'll get back to you more proper like later diesel. Heading out to a buddies today.
 
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