Jigfresh's Grow #1 DIY Closet DWC Scrog - Hindu Skunk & White Widow - First grow ever

Spittn4cash said:

u could definitely pull 5 oz per plant with that setup. and u just might do so depending on how long u veg, what training techniques u use, and if u clone.

but ur goal should be quality over quantity. focus on growing happy plants

so far everything looks really nice and green

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Thanks for the compliments. I'm doing a scrog, so I think I'm going to be 'limited' by the screen. I'm pretty sure I"m going to top all the plants. I've cut 3 of them so far and figure topping them will help them bush out to fill the screen evenly. I think I'm setting the screen 12 inches from the plant bottoms. I'll quit vegging when the screen is 75% full. I really want to veg them till they are 3 feet tall, but I would be out of closet.

thor369 said:

5 oz a plant, 6 plants, 30 oz, 30x28g=840 grams, most large growers dont get that with 1000 w setups, with Co2.

in a 3x3 area, with Co2, and a 600 watt bulb, you will be lucky to see 12 oz.

read other threads, check my math.

1000 grams, (2.2 pounds)O is best yo0u can do with a 1000 what bulb, in a 4x4 to a 5x5 area. the 1 gram a watt isw a goal of most big growers, a closet grow, if well set up, should get minimum .5 grams a watt.

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I appreciate your knowledge and thanks for checking out the grow. I guess g/w is a better way to look at it. I would like 2 oz per plant, and would love 3 oz per plant. That works out to be 336g/400w (2oz/plant), I am seriously lazy right now, so I'm guessing that's about .85 g/w, very ambitios I know, but I think I can do it (I have good luck). 3 ounce I guess would be more than 1.2 g/w. That would be awesome, but from what I have read too, would really be pushing things, if even possible. Maybe I will just build another light fixture and order another ballast use both 400mh and 400hps. But then that would overdo the light per square foot thing. I've read that 100w/sq.ft. is just overkill and if I had 800w for 7.25 sq.ft that would be ALOT. I don't want to have a huge electric bill for some more resin (as tempting as that sounds). So we'll shoot for 3 oz at like 1.25g/w. I'll set some kind of RIU first grow record.

I trust you. You don't seem like the kind of person that goes around spouting stupid crap (lord know's we have enough of them on this site).

But yeah, I'm not going to sacrifice quality for weight, maybe just compromise a tiny bit.

Hulk Nugs said:

looking good man .....you are veging right now right ?? that would be sick if you could pull 5 oz per plant ....... just remeber since this is your first grow your learning...... i am hopping that every grow after the first will yield more then the last..........how long does it take you to go threw a 1 oz ??

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I go through an ounce in maybe a month and a half. If I make an eighth last a week I'm very happy.

And as for my next grow, here's my strategy. I want to use my first harvest to pay for the cost of my setup, and hopefully make improvements plus a vegging area in the top half of the closet.

After I get the new setup in place (with a little construction) I would like to setup a mother - clone - constant harvest type deal. I'm not sure of the exact details, like how often I'll harvest, how many plants or what. First things first.

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The white widow is the one I topped 2 nights ago, and she is still stunted a bit. Her leaves are looking good, and there is some new growth up top, but overall she is not keeping up with the others.

I sprayed the girls this morning with 'liquid light'. They seem to perk up quite nicely a few hours after spraying. Worms Way said they should have the penetrator gold in stock this week, so I should have it soon (hopefully). I can't wait to see what that does combined with the liquid light. I have read a lot of good things about the penetrator. A lot of people use the stuff with whatever spray they use, even if it isn't Dutch master.

I really need to change the air set-up but the house guest is making progress slow. I miss seeing my girls so much. Only 1 more day.

On Friday I'm going to change over the rez. Give the girls some fresh RO. Then pump the nutes up to 1100 ppm. I've been around 700 for the past week. These girls are really going to take off.

Thanks again to everyone who is stopping by to read, and a bigger thanks to those who comment. Let's grow these bushes together

I went on the Dutch Master website to see about the ppm I'm changing to later, and what do I see, but a new damn product. I mean, I know I don't 'have' to get it, but I already went so far getting the whole DM line I figure I should go the extra mile. (can you tell I enjoy spending money)

Anyways, the stuff is called Add.27. Here's their sell:

"The Worlds First Specialised Nutrient Activator!
Improves Your Nutrients Performance By Up To 1/3 More!"

They say it works with all nutrients, mediums, and growing systems.

I'm pissed. They are forcing my hand.

dam i smoke alot hahaha man i grow threw a half in a week or a little more thats with me and my girl thoe.......does your girl smoke or just you......and you said your going to slang your harvest tis tis ...already hooking the girls

Hulk Nugs said:

dam i smoke alot hahaha man i grow threw a half in a week or a little more thats with me and my girl thoe.......does your girl smoke or just you......and you said your going to slang your harvest tis tis ...already hooking the girls

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Wife doesn't smoke at all. And I've cut back a lot since I don't have a regular job. It's kinda hard to convince my wife to spend half her paycheck on my pot.

And as for selling my girls out, I feel like it is ok because I will be giving (selling) back to one of my collectives I belong to. So I will be doing a medical service. Maybe a stretch, but a nice way of thinking about it. Plus it's legal. That's so crazy. Great, but crazy.

It's also like a sacrifice to the weed gods or something. If I can hand over most of my first crop, I think I will be rewarded later for my selflessness. Especially because I'm planning on growing some bomb ass Hindu Skunk.

I'll never get used to this medical mj thing. Even now, every time I go into or walk out of one of the pot stores, I totally check around to make sure there's no cops. It will take a while to lose the paranoia. Especially because the DEA has busted into and shut down a few of the stores I have used in the past. Thank God I wasn't there at the time. That would have sucked.

jigfresh said:

Wife doesn't smoke at all. And I've cut back a lot since I don't have a regular job. It's kinda hard to convince my wife to spend half her paycheck on my pot.

And as for selling my girls out, I feel like it is ok because I will be giving (selling) back to one of my collectives I belong to. So I will be doing a medical service. Maybe a stretch, but a nice way of thinking about it. Plus it's legal. That's so crazy. Great, but crazy.

It's also like a sacrifice to the weed gods or something. If I can hand over most of my first crop, I think I will be rewarded later for my selflessness. Especially because I'm planning on growing some bomb ass Hindu Skunk.

I'll never get used to this medical mj thing. Even now, every time I go into or walk out of one of the pot stores, I totally check around to make sure there's no cops. It will take a while to lose the paranoia. Especially because the DEA has busted into and shut down a few of the stores I have used in the past. Thank God I wasn't there at the time. That would have sucked.

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right now thats sick wouldnt think they would just buy from anyone i might have to try that hahaha.....how much do you think they will give you i know it matters how good the nugs comeout but i know they are not going to give you there prices........i have been looking into a RO watering system i check out the site you posted was sure glad i did i found a RO at costco for 160 but then i saw your web site had one going for 109 is there a reason why you didnt get the 109 one ??? oh yea and i heard work is hard to get up there what kind of work do you do ???

Hulk Nugs said:

right now thats sick wouldnt think they would just buy from anyone i might have to try that hahaha.....how much do you think they will give you i know it matters how good the nugs comeout but i know they are not going to give you there prices........i have been looking into a RO watering system i check out the site you posted was sure glad i did i found a RO at costco for 160 but then i saw your web site had one going for 109 is there a reason why you didnt get the 109 one ??? oh yea and i heard work is hard to get up there what kind of work do you do ???

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I think bigger stores just buy from established farmers. Like LAPCG in Hollywood I don't think would buy from me. But I go to a smaller store with less traffic, so I have a better chance. The problem is that they only buy quantity. I guess the place I go never buys less than a pound at a time. So that's going to be the hard part I think. I might be able to find another store that would take less. As for what they pay, they won't give me any info anywhere. I don't even think they know. It's like two different operations with the buying and breaking up, and the store part.

I work on the internet, fixing people's websites and stuff. I also just help out my neighbors with handyman stuff, or computer help. I tutor math too, but haven't had a student in a long time.

I looked at the ebay store of the people I got the RO filter from and all I saw was one for 102.99, but it had $40 shipping. Mine for 129.99 was free shipping. So it was just strait up 129.99 no tax or nothing.

continual grows are fun. i have a couple mothers that get topped every month and take clones every 2 weeks. 5 clones get taken and go into their first 2 weeks on a rack, then they go up a rack every two weeks till its their last two weeks (week 6-, then they go under a 150w hps with envirolites (cfls). each level on my 3 level rack has lights that start out with more whites, and blue spectrums, then a full spectrum light, then a dominant red spectrum light. each level has ( 2) 48" flouro tubes completely covered in a dome of mylar. door is kept open most of the day to get fresh air circulated in.

every 2 weeks, 5 plants are harvested.

20 plants are in the system at all times, seperate 250w metal halide for mothers. all of this in a closet thats 16" in depth, 66"wide and 63" tall....

make the most of what you have

jigfresh said:

I think bigger stores just buy from established farmers. Like LAPCG in Hollywood I don't think would buy from me. But I go to a smaller store with less traffic, so I have a better chance. The problem is that they only buy quantity. I guess the place I go never buys less than a pound at a time. So that's going to be the hard part I think. I might be able to find another store that would take less. As for what they pay, they won't give me any info anywhere. I don't even think they know. It's like two different operations with the buying and breaking up, and the store part.

I work on the internet, fixing people's websites and stuff. I also just help out my neighbors with handyman stuff, or computer help. I tutor math too, but haven't had a student in a long time.

I looked at the ebay store of the people I got the RO filter from and all I saw was one for 102.99, but it had $40 shipping. Mine for 129.99 was free shipping. So it was just strait up 129.99 no tax or nothing.

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Yea i have been told you have to talk to the buyer i was looking into getting my clones down and hooking them up with clones maybe nugs if i can .... but its mostly all for me so no more money wasted on it all about saving the money ...... i know every clinic i talk to is looking for clones ...i check the tracker to see who has the clones and majority of the time there hard to find ...... the 4 clones i got were not that great all week and tiny stems only one had a thick stem...the clones i have taken from my mother are better bigger hahaha if you going to build more look into building somthing that will hold lots of clones thats were the money is i bet alright man im out dogs want to go play

I'm still here too, I have just been away from RUI. Looking good though. I will return later and read up.

I like the advice you gave the youngsters... I try to send the same vibe because it pays to plan in so many ways.

Also, my second plant still hasn't finished so I have nothing to report. Should be done very soon though. I realized that I had been over fertilizing her the whole time I think, but she's almost done (12 weeks like they said...).

jigfresh said:

Thanks for the compliments. I'm doing a scrog, so I think I'm going to be 'limited' by the screen. I'm pretty sure I"m going to top all the plants. I've cut 3 of them so far and figure topping them will help them bush out to fill the screen evenly. I think I'm setting the screen 12 inches from the plant bottoms. I'll quit vegging when the screen is 75% full. I really want to veg them till they are 3 feet tall, but I would be out of closet.



I appreciate your knowledge and thanks for checking out the grow. I guess g/w is a better way to look at it. I would like 2 oz per plant, and would love 3 oz per plant. That works out to be 336g/400w (2oz/plant), I am seriously lazy right now, so I'm guessing that's about .85 g/w, very ambitios I know, but I think I can do it (I have good luck). 3 ounce I guess would be more than 1.2 g/w. That would be awesome, but from what I have read too, would really be pushing things, if even possible. Maybe I will just build another light fixture and order another ballast use both 400mh and 400hps. But then that would overdo the light per square foot thing. I've read that 100w/sq.ft. is just overkill and if I had 800w for 7.25 sq.ft that would be ALOT. I don't want to have a huge electric bill for some more resin (as tempting as that sounds). So we'll shoot for 3 oz at like 1.25g/w. I'll set some kind of RIU first grow record.

I trust you. You don't seem like the kind of person that goes around spouting stupid crap (lord know's we have enough of them on this site).

But yeah, I'm not going to sacrifice quality for weight, maybe just compromise a tiny bit.



I go through an ounce in maybe a month and a half. If I make an eighth last a week I'm very happy.

And as for my next grow, here's my strategy. I want to use my first harvest to pay for the cost of my setup, and hopefully make improvements plus a vegging area in the top half of the closet.

After I get the new setup in place (with a little construction) I would like to setup a mother - clone - constant harvest type deal. I'm not sure of the exact details, like how often I'll harvest, how many plants or what. First things first.

Update:---------------------------

The white widow is the one I topped 2 nights ago, and she is still stunted a bit. Her leaves are looking good, and there is some new growth up top, but overall she is not keeping up with the others.

I sprayed the girls this morning with 'liquid light'. They seem to perk up quite nicely a few hours after spraying. Worms Way said they should have the penetrator gold in stock this week, so I should have it soon (hopefully). I can't wait to see what that does combined with the liquid light. I have read a lot of good things about the penetrator. A lot of people use the stuff with whatever spray they use, even if it isn't Dutch master.

I really need to change the air set-up but the house guest is making progress slow. I miss seeing my girls so much. Only 1 more day.

On Friday I'm going to change over the rez. Give the girls some fresh RO. Then pump the nutes up to 1100 ppm. I've been around 700 for the past week. These girls are really going to take off.

Thanks again to everyone who is stopping by to read, and a bigger thanks to those who comment. Let's grow these bushes together

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good luck on the record, you r putting in the time, i think a small grow, with hands on daily work is a bit more responsive then the big grows all on timers,h a weekly peek-in. keep it up, i got 5 or 6 grows under me, if you got questions, hit me up.

Ramona's said:

every 2 weeks, 5 plants are harvested.

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This is exactly the type of thing I want to do. I'll have to figure out the details sometime. Judging from your threads you have been doing pretty good with that set up you have.

I hope you have as much luck with the dwc as with the soil.

Hulk Nugs said:

if you going to build more look into building somthing that will hold lots of clones thats were the money is i bet alright man im out dogs want to go play

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I'll see if I have any room left over when I get things set up just right, maybe think about the clones thing. But like you, the eventual goal is to quit spending money on pot (other than nutrients and electricity, but much cheaper, and much more rewardig than going to the store).

Your last sentence there I read wrong the first time and thought you were having a randy jackson moment. You said: I'm out. Dogs want to go play. I read: I'm out dogs. Want to go play. Punctuation is a virtue.

drynroasty said:

I'm still here too, I have just been away from RUI.

Also, my second plant still hasn't finished so I have nothing to report. Should be done very soon though.

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Thanks for stopping by. Good to hear things are going well with the jah. I'm very glad that I just happened to pick two plants with the same flowering time. Let's hope they like the same conditions otherwise.

Are you still drying/curing some of the purple? How's that going? And what's on deck, have you decided?

thor369 said:

keep it up, i got 5 or 6 grows under me, if you got questions, hit me up.

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Thanks so much for the offer. It's nice to have you on with many 1st timers watching.

Some of the best pot I ever smoked was called Thor, back in late 2000.

Hey guys, busy day. We took my wife's mom back to the airport today, and I got to go shopping after that.

I picked up an intank waterpump thing. It is totally not the right thing for the job, but it will work. I just really wanted a damn water pump without having to order it.

I went to home depot and bought a few pvc fittings I didn't end up needing. Then stopped at lowe's because hd didn't have the hose I wanted by the foot.

The plants look beautiful and HUGE. I swear someone came in and took my bushes and replaced them with trees. It is seriously going to be a jungle soon.

I topped two more of the girls. #2 and 4. I was going to cut #3 as well, but found an interesting part of the plant I wanted to ask about first. Tomorrow, I'm tired tonight.

I also made a little shelf deal for the metal airpump. It was really crowding the plants on the lid, and I had planned on having it up there all along, so I just did it.

There are now 22+ gallons of RO in the bedroom. My tap water, and hence RO water is around 36 F. So even if it was filtered fast enough to refill my rez once drained, I wouldn't want to put the roots in sub 40 water. So it's sitting in the original distilled bottles to warm up some overnight.

Tomorrow will be a big day of changing water, new more powerful nutes, new air pump setup, lots of pic uploads, with a few bowls mixed in.

can't wait to see the update



just remember-----
GROWING GRASS IS EASY,
GROWING BOMB ASS WEED TAKES SKILLS

scooby snacks said:

can't wait to see the update

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Update coming in a few hours. Sorry to keep you guys waiting.

Things went great, but I'll get into details later.

Any idea what this is in the picture? I was going to cut the plant and I was counting nodes, and I ran into a part growing out of the stem that did not have a fan leaf growing out beneath it? I'm not worried or anything, but every node on every one of my plants has a fan leaf growing out and then from that junction it has another smaller stem growing out (what I imagine someday would be another clone).

I'm sorry I don't know the terminology, I feel dumb, but whatever. I'll draw a picture.

And the real question is should I cut above this on the main stalk, or below cutting it off, or just leave the plant along and see what happens?

Alright guys. If there was a contest to see who could put the most pictures in one post, I think I just won. And I don't want to hear anyone complain that there are too many.

So you can see the supplies I picked up on the recent outing. Plus the airhose and stuff I picked up last time, I forgot to show you. Then you can see the little shelf I built for the metal airpump.

There is one pic of the plants from the 25th. Then a few from the 26th. Including the tops I cut off plant #4 & plant # 2 (respectively). With my finger on where I cut it from following.

After that is a few pics of the rogue branch with no fan leaf growing out just below it. Then the plants from above, after the two were cut. So now 5 have been cut. only the one I waiting to find out about has yet to be put under the knife. I layed out the stuff I cut off of plant #4 (poor girl).

Now we are to today. You can see what the rez looked like after 2 weeks. The netting actually serves the purpose of lid reenforcement as well as dividers. There was stuff at the bottom and I guess it is either hydroton dust, or the nutes after they get old?

You can kinda see my water pump I got. I'm going to go through all this work next week, of moving the plants and stuff, but when I have the plant out then I will set up the pump to stay. That way when the screen is in effect and I can move my plants at all, I'll be able to flush everything.

The shots of the plants in the bathtub is the best recreation of the actual color they are. That is pretty much the color green they are, very deep, with light green new growth. There is a closeup of a leaf (the third pic in the tub) and it is so dark green it almost looks dark blue.

There was a slight bit of build up around the tank, very easy to wipe off. Once the tank was drained and wiped out, I taped all around it, partly for light, but more for temp, hopefully the tape will insulate a bit to keep the water cooler, and also for structural support. 30 gallons plus a pretty heavy lid seems to make the rubbermaid stress a bit. I sure as hell don't want that thing bursting on me halfway through flowering.

I mixed the new stronger nutes before moving the RO water out of the spare tank (that the plants are in, in the bathtub). The new mix is 400 mL each of Advance Grow A + B, 115 mL Max Grow, 58 mL Silica, 30 mL Zone, 150 mL MagiCal, 500 mL 10% pH down.

Little wrigley was my assistant today.

Lots of roots, and a shot of what the inside of the tank looks like.

I am now using the blue airpump to run the airstones at the bottom of the rez, in the pvc pipes you can see down there. There was going to be 2 - 6" stones, but one broke, so there is 1 - 6" stone and two 1" stones. The metal airpump is split six way to each plant. I'll tell you it was like a game trying to get all the roots to hang in their spots when lowering the lid.

I think it looks pretty cool when you lift the lid a bit. I took pics when the plants were back in the new solution for a couple hours. Even now after almost 12 hours they seem to be very happy with no signs of burning. The new ppm is at 1240. Previously the highest it got to was 740.

The pics of the plants are of me touching where I cut the girls, I think it is a pretty good way of showing the new growth up top. Also are each of the stems for fun.

There is probably more to say, but I believe I've said enough.

dam man looking really good.......nice and bushy all even too .....keep it up man

lookin real good
I love the root pics
they look healthy and happy

Thanks scooby and hulk. We could start a cartoon show with all us characters. It'd be like the X-men except we'd save the world by growing pot, and we'd be lit all the time.

The plants look really good after the water change and new nutes. They are really looking comfortable.

The white widow has definitely started growing again, but is still smaller than all the other girls.

I sprayed everyone with Liquid Light again. After the spray had dried I lowered the light another inch closer to the plants. The 400w mh is around 11-12" off the tops of the plants.

One thing I have thought about improving later is the environment for the reservoir. I've noticed the temp of the water climbs pretty fast after putting in the closet, also with it being as cold as it is, there is condensation on the outside of the tub, making the humidity up around 70%. It feels like a jungle when I open the door. So I'm thinking of sealing off the bottom part of the closet, and making it's own climate down there. We'll see.

The pics look almost the same as before. I'll post some with next update.

So I think the plants like their new soup. Plus the lower light, as well as the liquid light. They are getting bigger by the hour. When I looked at them this morning they were touching the door and one wall, now they are touching all sides of the closet. I think that would mean the walls are reflecting petty well, with the plants happily growing in all directions away from the stem (even toward the walls).

I lined the underside of my cardboard shade with metal tape, that should get a few extra bits of light onto the girls.

I will be installing the screen soon. That will be fun.

Pics are from today, close-ups are of plant 3 and 5 (respectively), then a view at the top nub of plant 1, inside plant 3's outer canopy, plant 3 by my hand, plant 2 complete view (6in pots by the way), and last nights home made pizza (i'm allergic to cheese).

Thanks for stopping by.

hey man was wondering how often you check your res water - ph, ppm...i normaly change my res water in my areo and dwc every 5 days .....i just changed out my water but before i dumped my old water i checked the ph and it was up to 8.0 yikes ......so i was wondering if you check your water every day for ph and if its not 5.8 just ad ph up or down to get it back there even thoe the nutes and water are going to stay ?? just trying to figure this out and finaly i got my ppm/ec meter coming woo hoo