Joining the army?

I mean if you have nothing going for you why not join the force? Maybe I'll just go be a fireman.. But they get paid shit.

see, this is how a lot of young men felt years ago.. back then a lot of people were faced with the choice of going to jail or join the military, but they have obviously tightened up on the regs since that time..

and why join the force out of bordem, probably the worst reason there is.. yah, getting shot at and shooting at others is probably a real rush at times, but it's just not worth dying for pretty much nothing imo..

what are we in the middle east for?? can you say oil?? or even poppy / heroin?? i mean, if that's really worth losing your life over, by all means..
 
see, this is how a lot of young men felt years ago.. back then a lot of people were faced with the choice of going to jail or join the military, but they have obviously tightened up on the regs since that time..

and why join the force out of bordem, probably the worst reason there is.. yah, getting shot at and shooting at others is probably a real rush at times, but it's just not worth dying for pretty much nothing imo..

what are we in the middle east for?? can you say oil?? or even poppy / heroin?? i mean, if that's really worth losing your life over, by all means..

It's not really boredom, more like giving your life something to live for. I'm asking if we're actually protecting people.. Can anybody answer that question with proof?
 
It's not really boredom, more like giving your life something to live for. I'm asking if we're actually protecting people.. Can anybody answer that question with proof?

you seem like a nice kid heph, that's why i'm being so hard on you.. as for protecting people, do you really think having a war halfway across the world is protecting one us citizen whatsover??

of course it's not, war isn't about protecting people anymore, maybe back in ww1 and ww2 when hitler was killing millions of jews, but korea, vietnam, the gulf war, and any of the others since ww2 are pretty much pointless..

i was serious when i said wtf were we in vietnam for, i'm 40 years old, and i still couldn't give you a good answer for that shit, and how many american's died in vietnam?? idk, don't really know what else to say, i just hope if you're serious you give it some hard thought is all..
i'd hate to lose you.. :)
 
Don't you think america would be bombed if we didn't have a force?

well, i think everyone needs and army / navy / airforce / /marines to protect it's borders in case of an attack, of course we would be attacked if we didn't have anything to defend our borders with, but 99.9% of the time our soilders are off in some foreign land and not home protecting our borders..
 
I am giving it hard thought.. I've been thinking about it and wanted to see what you guys thought.. Now I'm kinda leaning away from the idea but still IDK.

Another thing is I wouldn't be able to smoke pot.. That alone might make me drop the idea.. Thanks for your opinions bud :).
 
I am giving it hard thought.. I've been thinking about it and wanted to see what you guys thought.. Now I'm kinda leaning away from the idea but still IDK.

Another thing is I wouldn't be able to smoke pot.. That alone might make me drop the idea.. Thanks for your opinions bud :).

yah, i just don't like the idea of someone owning me for however years it is, and not being able to do as i please when i please, well fuck all that noise, lol.. hate to sound like a pothead druggy as i have quit drugs for extended periods of time over the years many times, but if i want to smoke or do this or that, i'm free to do so...
 
Here's my take:

The things being done in Afghanistan and Iraq specifically aren't really doing anything to protest us RIGHT NOW persay. The problem is that if we were to allow the organizations there to thrive, we would eventually need protection. Say what you will about 9/11 conspiracies, attacks like that would become fairly commonplace were it not for our military's prowess. Radical Islam is not going away. Hatred for America, regardless of our foreign policy, will continue based on our consumerism based society. The origination of the Radical Islam movement was from a well educated average guy in Egypt who traveled to America only to be disgusted by it. Sidenote, coming back from deployments, I and many others have agreed with alot of the reasoning behind that hatred. The US is one hell of an ignorant and arrogant nation of entitlement. Seeing kids starving and dying of easily treated diseases/illnesses really makes you take a second look at all those people buying $300 shoes and just say 'wtf'. So while we're there to alleviate the threat from growing into an actual power, our main focus has to be, and is, convincing the nationals to not support and join those organizations. Which means we have to win them over by being good guys to them. That doesn't mean we have to be good guys to the selective few that are mostly out of their fucking minds.

Without us there, families have no protection from Al-Qaeda and the Taliban who threaten, kill, or tax to death anyone who isn't fighting with them. They'll also force farmers to grow opium instead of other crops, and then take all the final product without paying them(or at least not what they would have made by growing what they wanted to). They also pay about double what the Afghan National Army does, again along with the threats and violence. Obviously way more examples to be had, but you get the point. This stuff is very real. Even after occupying an area for years, we leave and the region falls back into radical hands. Some heads get cut off, a few women get raped, houses burned down, and then life under extremist government begins.

Now am I saying that we're completely perfect in protecting them and doing what we should? No. Watch Restrepo. That's what's mostly going on over there as far as tactics, though usually on a much less violent scale. We occupy an area and try to gain favor with the local elders (since they're all still organized into villages and tribes) so that the extremists can't gain foothold in their town. Without the support of the locals in at least some fashion whether it be intel, production, protection, or money, Al-Qaeda can't gain a foothold. And as much as it sucks, I think that without an American presence the 'sleeper cells', if you can call them that, would gain power back, instead of continuing to lose it. And while I don't agree with the politics that got us there in the first place(thanks WWII/Cold War politicians), I think that at least for now, our presence there is an unfortunate necessity, and the lesser of two evils. Unless our society is going to conform to what they want, which is for us to change our entire social and governmental structure, though not necessarily a religious conversion like bin Laden wanted, there will always be 'rebels' against us. This group just happens to have a lot more support than most.

Founder of Al-Qaeda has it about right:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...aunches-fierce-attack-on-Osama-bin-Laden.html

All that said, I joined under the Bush administration planning to deploy, and still wouldn't change what I did given then chance. Like I said, I no longer agree with what got us there in the first place, but that doesn't mean that I don't support why we may HAVE to be there now. Idk, I've been kinda torn about this lately, and I'm still back and forth on where my overall support lies as far as our next necessary move(not that my opinion matters anymore, aside from at the polls). Either way, I'm definitely much better off personally than I would have been without joining. Got me across the country from home, away from all the bs holding me back, and I got my head on mostly straight and set myself up pretty well, using the benefits to pay for my school now.
 
If I was in the US I would never join the army because they just love starting shit with other countries. I did basic training here in Canada though, was a great experience, I didnt join the army after the course because getting up at 4:30 just isnt my thing lol. I think you automatically sign your life away if a world war happens though, I know Im gunna get drafted automatically if a WW3 happens.
 
Why are you asking someone on a Ganja forum for a dd214.. cop much? fucking pigs lol.

And you do not like someones opinion that knows wtf goes on? Then buzz off simple as that kiddo.

Because, your just a load mouth punk that doesn't know shit. DD214 is your Military service record. Bitch

So it just goes to show everyone that you form opinions with out having real life experience.

Spouting off shit about our Military. Sad kid.
 
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He has some good points. I always ask people if they've ever seen a terrorist, I've never heard a yes. But wat does katt know? What if they are actually protecting us?

So new subject.. Is the military actually protecting us?
 
He has some good points. I always ask people if they've ever seen a terrorist, I've never heard a yes. But wat does katt know? What if they are actually protecting us?

So new subject.. Is the military actually protecting us?

The point is...

They shoulduna been talkin shit!!
 
Bah I already said death doesn't matter lol. I mean at least I'd do something that would help somebody out.
And the benefits are just awesome.

And everybody that joins comes out like a fucking beast lol.. They have such an amazing mental strength.. Their discipline is top notch.. And every girl likes a dude in uniform lol. So many hidden benefits too.

You gotta risk it to get the biscuit.

Fuck joining the military, Hep. You're a smart dude. Do you really want some fucktards screaming at you and telling you what to do and when to do it? Do P90X, cut back on the drugs and get into some martial arts. You'll have all you listed above, plus you get to keep all your body parts and avoid horrible nightmares for the rest of your life...
 
need something to do? get a job in the oilfield. You'll be put to the test physically and mentally, trust me



and then you'll take home $2,500 a WEEK. I don't know of any other field/profession that pays 6 figures without a college degree
 
It's not really boredom, more like giving your life something to live for. I'm asking if we're actually protecting people.. Can anybody answer that question with proof?

If it's your soul's purpose you're looking for (meaning doing something w/your life that matters/speaks to you) then go out into the wilderness and listen. Even better, (depending on where you live), go on a Vision Quest. You sound like you're in a period of life where you're transitioning (graduated from high school or college for example). This ancient ceremony will help mark this transition and will help give you a focus on what's next.
 
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