-Journal- 1st grow with cfl's and Bagseed!

UPDATE

4 weeks old tomorrow. reduced the watering as suggested. I know i made a mistake, but for 4 weeks dont they look a little small? maybe it's a small strain. I topped my smallest plant, just to experiment. What else can i do besides ph and less watering to help them grow better? and faster....

And if you DO think they have hope, how long should i let them veg for?

here are the photos.
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TFizz said:

UPDATE

4 weeks old tomorrow. reduced the watering as suggested. I know i made a mistake, but for 4 weeks dont they look a little small? maybe it's a small strain. I topped my smallest plant, just to experiment. What else can i do besides ph and less watering to help them grow better? and faster....

And if you DO think they have hope, how long should i let them veg for?

here are the photos.
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if temps and humidity are within range i would say plants of that size and health would need to be watered 2-3 cups every 4 or 5 days. you should be able to see the difference between an overwater wilt and an underwater wilt. over water seems like a stressed out plant, underwater is more of a dying looking plant. your plants definately arent underwatered because they would perk back up and look healthy after drinking. let them veg for as long as it meets your needs. consider yield, time, growing space, health of plants, the next batch.

what size holes are in the bottom of those pots?
dont assume it is too much water, no one really knows as we arent there to actually feel the soil. just keep that in mind. a damp soil should not be a problem...wet or dry on the otherhand can...when speaking of the water content of the soil, check halfway down the pots.

ohh, so everyone guessed wrong? iv been under watering them? i'll be sure to give them 2-3 cups as you said. I'll take pics next time of the holes, i think they work pretty well, once i water them, the leak on my carpet a little bit, so i think drainage is ok on the pots. And one last thing, kinnda a noobie question, but i wasn't sure, will the plant tell you when it's ready to flower? i mean would it have a diffrent look to it or something? OR does it just flower whenever i change the lights and lights? hope that makes sense haha thanks for the help!

TFizz said:

ohh, so everyone guessed wrong? iv been under watering them? i'll be sure to give them 2-3 cups as you said. I'll take pics next time of the holes, i think they work pretty well, once i water them, the leak on my carpet a little bit, so i think drainage is ok on the pots. And one last thing, kinnda a noobie question, but i wasn't sure, will the plant tell you when it's ready to flower? i mean would it have a diffrent look to it or something? OR does it just flower whenever i change the lights and lights? hope that makes sense haha thanks for the help!

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plants do show sex when they have reached sexual maturity. this is usually around 30 days and females will show hairs and males will show balls. it can be easy to confuse the two when they are young tho. these are from seed right?

they will begin to flower only when theyve reached sexual maturity. basically a seedling wont develop a nug right off the get, it still has to obey the plants cycle. you should be showing sex pretty soon, may have already. look close by the nodes. google search how to determine marijuana plant sex. females have hairs "pistils", the hairs on the weed you smoke. and males have balls which create pollen that pollinate the females. plants over 12 hours of light will show pre flowers and will continue to veg unless otherwise told to by the change in light cycle (12 hours or less). a calyx, which harbors most of the trichombs, is at the base of every two pistils. this collection of calyxs, leafs and pistils are the main components of a nug. the calyxs will swell close to harvest time, giving the nug density, potency and weight.

TFizz said:

ohh, so everyone guessed wrong? iv been under watering them? i'll be sure to give them 2-3 cups as you said. I'll take pics next time of the holes, i think they work pretty well, once i water them, the leak on my carpet a little bit, so i think drainage is ok on the pots. And one last thing, kinnda a noobie question, but i wasn't sure, will the plant tell you when it's ready to flower? i mean would it have a diffrent look to it or something? OR does it just flower whenever i change the lights and lights? hope that makes sense haha thanks for the help!

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no i didnt say everyone guessed wrong. im saying just because we tell you are opinion doesnt make us right. i think you are overwatering if anything. and underwatered plant looks like it is damn near dead.

Hard too tell what the problem is but it looks like your either over watering or under watering.

yea i know and we cant figure it out, i give it less then 2-3 cups every 4-5 days, and you said that was the right amount of water. idk really know what to do now. I'll update with some pics this weekend, i'll see if i can get a pic of its sex.

Watering is not a hard thing to understand and it's really easy to do it right. Saturate the soil until water runs out the bottom, then wait until the soil is almost dry before you water again. That's it.

Are there drainage holes in your pots?

let it get good and dry, then go buy some blood or bone meal whichever is just nitrogen, and use it at a low dose with a tiny amount of the MG in a decent sized watering. Home depot has a moisture/ph/light meter for 8 bucks =D. Im talking bury your finger and the tip is still dry kind of dry, let it get thirsty, then give it that nitrogen. We started off in the same soil and had similar early problems... definite deficiencies. You have no calcium/magnesium/micro nutes!!! molasses has calmag

Never thought about that, yea go get a moisture meter...that should help ya!

alright sweet i can do 8 bucks! i'll see if i can get one this weekend.

Just a little update, since i cut off the dieing leaves the plants have looked lots better, some leaves still look a little light green, but i'm not as worried, the plants also perked up a bit too.

i think i'll go get some pics for you guys right now.

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i watered them just before taking the pics. 4 weeks as of yesterday. looking a whole lot better too. Dont have too much else to say, i dont think sex is really showing yet, 2 of the plants have things looking very similar to female, I can say as a fact there is no male parts yet tho, i took the best pics i could of it, hope they turn out good enough to were you can help me determine. thanks everyone that's helping!


in the 4th pic i'm trying to show best i can where sex would show up, can you guys tell me anything?

5th pic is kinnda werid, cuz it's all the undergrowth on the biggest(1st pic) plant. i cut off all the leaves that were coming out from down there and there's tons of undergrowth. kinnda cool.

pic 6, that is what the bottom of my pots look like, and when i water, that's usually what it looks like, slowly it moves in towards the center a little more, but i have never seen it within a couple inches of the middle roots. If you look carefully you should be able to see the drainage holes.

pics 7 - biggest plant sex look, can you see anything?

TFizz said:

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i watered them just before taking the pics. 4 weeks as of yesterday. looking a whole lot better too. Dont have too much else to say, i dont think sex is really showing yet, 2 of the plants have things looking very similar to female, I can say as a fact there is no male parts yet tho, i took the best pics i could of it, hope they turn out good enough to were you can help me determine. thanks everyone that's helping!
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in the 4th pic i'm trying to show best i can where sex would show up, can you guys tell me anything?

5th pic is kinnda werid, cuz it's all the undergrowth on the biggest(1st pic) plant. i cut off all the leaves that were coming out from down there and there's tons of undergrowth. kinnda cool.

pic 6, that is what the bottom of my pots look like, and when i water, that's usually what it looks like, slowly it moves in towards the center a little more, but i have never seen it within a couple inches of the middle roots. If you look carefully you should be able to see the drainage holes.

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After looking at the bottom of your pots, i can clearly see why you are having problems. Not enough drainage, sure a little bit of water can escape from this but not enough...these holes are also important for exchanging air. The bottom of those should have around 5- 1/2" holes to 10 - 1/4" holes. Water is building up under here and is probably responsible for your over watering. Open these holes up, get a dish to go under them for runoff. When you water wait a few minutes for dish to collect any runoff, toss any runoff water down the sink. Open them holes up and i bet you will be back on track.

i drew an arrow on picture number 4 showing you where sex will show. females will show calyxs and above that a hair...males will develop balls. be careful when determining early because forming calyxs can resemble balls and vice versa. if you see a hair, you can be sure its a female. (then again it could prove to be a hermie later in life) hermie= female that produces male parts...usually shows when plants are in full budding and can be induced by stress. stress like lighting changes/interruptions, improper drainage, nutrient changes, rapid temperature or humidity changes can also cause plants to go hermie. help them life a stress free life.



take a close up show using the macro mode on your camera (looks like a little flower) after setting to this mode (if available) snap a clear image as close up to where that arrow is pointing. this is where sex will show.

Thanks a lot, yea i think that might be why, it would explain a lot. i'll be sure to open them up a lot more. it's weird, all my plants seem to have the same 2 redish looking leaves/hair sites exactly were it shows in the pic. i doubt i have 3 females tho. i'll open up the holes then do a update soon.

with their current state, which i'm guessing is a little behind what they should be for 4 weeks, when do you think i should flower?

TFizz said:

Thanks a lot, yea i think that might be why, it would explain a lot. i'll be sure to open them up a lot more. it's weird, all my plants seem to have the same 2 redish looking leaves/hair sites exactly were it shows in the pic. i doubt i have 3 females tho. i'll open up the holes then do a update soon.

with their current state, which i'm guessing is a little behind what they should be for 4 weeks, when do you think i should flower?

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You may be confusing the leaves/hair things with the little spikes at each node. The actual pistils look like the hairs on dry weed, except more of a yellow rather than red. Not sure where you should be at day 28 but here is where i was from seed to week 5 which is 35 days.

alright thanks for clarifying that. well your plants are a lot taller for sure, mine are REALLY small, but have just as many nodes as these plants. so idk maybe they will turn out ok.

another question, as i was making the holes at the bottom of the pots a litttttle bit bigger, i noticed that i couldn't really do much to make them any better. then i thought that since mg organic has given people in the past problems, could i transplant the plants into something bigger, and better? i feel like i'd fuck up moving them and end up killing them. i beginning to think that my plants dont have enough space in there.

TFizz said:

alright thanks for clarifying that. well your plants are a lot taller for sure, mine are REALLY small, but have just as many nodes as these plants. so idk maybe they will turn out ok.

another question, as i was making the holes at the bottom of the pots a litttttle bit bigger, i noticed that i couldn't really do much to make them any better. then i thought that since mg organic has given people in the past problems, could i transplant the plants into something bigger, and better? i feel like i'd fuck up moving them and end up killing them. i beginning to think that my plants dont have enough space in there.

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i doubt that is the case. plants have been stressed out and root development has probably been slow. looking at the picture of the bottom of the pot, they do not seem root bound. i am pretty confident it is the holes that are too small. you could transplant but the soil will probably fall apart exposing the roots and would probably kill the plant. keep them in there, open the holes and transplant just before flower. by this time you should have a good root set.

ok, so what you're saying is to keep them where they are now, until flower? then transplant them into a better pot? is there anything else i can do to help aerate the soil? since my pots are tubaware, they arent the easiest thing to cut holes into.

i did a little rearranging in my box. watered them yesterday, just a small amount, misted today cuz i felt like it. humidity is good temps are good.

Badnews - i had to take yet another node of leaves on 2/3 plants. so the pics will look better then they really are i think. An one question, it seems that the lower leaves fall off, slowly moving up, but not usually for a good 3/4 nodes, could i possibly flower them and harvest a good amount(for plant size) before this little problem catches up? I know not a good way to think about it, but just curious.


If you look back at the pics from last update, the mainly yellow leaves on the 2 bigger ones, those were the ones i took off. =D