Just in case you thought Israel was a nice country, just misunderstood

Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie

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http://muslimvoices.org/ishmael-islam/

In the Old Testament Abraham cannot have a child with his wife, Sarah. So, she gives him her handmaiden Hagar. With Hagar Abraham has a child, a son,Ishmael.

Eventually, though, in her old age Sarah conceives of a child with divine help. That child is Isaac. After the birth of her son, Sarah forces Abraham to send Hagar and Ishmael away from their home. Although, in the Qur’an, it is Allah who tells Abraham to send Hagar and Ishmael into the desert.

While some Jews and Christians believe they are descendents of Isaac, Muslims believe they are the inheritors of Ishmael’s legacy – that they, along with Jews and Christians, are the “children of Abraham”.

And they believe it was Ishmael, not Isaac, Abraham almost sacrificed to God. The sparing of Ishmael’s life is celebrated with the festival Eid ul-Adha. When God spared Ishmael, the boy was replaced with a ram – it is because of this Muslims make animal sacrifices during the festival.

Ishmael is highly regarded in Islam for his goodness and wisdom. After wandering in the desert with his mother – Hagar’s search for water is reenacted during the Hajj each year – they settled in Mecca. There it is believed Ishmael built the Ka’aba with Abraham.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Flaming Pie said:
http://muslimvoices.org/ishmael-islam/

In the Old Testament Abraham cannot have a child with his wife, Sarah. So, she gives him her handmaiden Hagar. With Hagar Abraham has a child, a son,Ishmael.

Eventually, though, in her old age Sarah conceives of a child with divine help. That child is Isaac. After the birth of her son, Sarah forces Abraham to send Hagar and Ishmael away from their home. Although, in the Qur’an, it is Allah who tells Abraham to send Hagar and Ishmael into the desert.

While some Jews and Christians believe they are descendents of Isaac, Muslims believe they are the inheritors of Ishmael’s legacy – that they, along with Jews and Christians, are the “children of Abraham”.

And they believe it was Ishmael, not Isaac, Abraham almost sacrificed to God. The sparing of Ishmael’s life is celebrated with the festival Eid ul-Adha. When God spared Ishmael, the boy was replaced with a ram – it is because of this Muslims make animal sacrifices during the festival.

Ishmael is highly regarded in Islam for his goodness and wisdom. After wandering in the desert with his mother – Hagar’s search for water is reenacted during the Hajj each year – they settled in Mecca. There it is believed Ishmael built the Ka’aba with Abraham.
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None of this is any excuse for murder, war or genocide.
 
UncleBuck

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Commycharb said:
Attention Isrealies zionists and jews as a whole to a lesser extent. Isreal is evil. They are murdering bullies who try to play the victim card all the time. Problem is, you don't seem to realize, that we the rest of earth think your actions are intolerable and soon we will actually have to do something about it. Peace talks wont be on the table @ that point. You want a war ... well your going to get it.
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go cry somewhere else.
 
Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie

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So therefore, Jews and Christians believe Isaac was who God gave his blessing to.

Muslims believe it was their ancestor Ishmael who was given the blessing.

From bible:
But I will establish my covenant with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you at this set time next year.” 21:12But God said to Abraham, “Do not be upset about the boy or your slave wife. Do all that Sarah is telling you because through Isaac your descendants will be counted. 13 But I will also make the son of the slave wife into a great nation, for he is your descendant too.

"Jerusalem plays a central role in the spiritual and emotional perspective of the three major monotheistic religions. For Jews throughout the world it is the focus of age-old yearnings, a living proof of ancient grandeur and independence and a centre of national renaissance; for Christians it is the scene of their Saviour’s agony and triumph; forMuslims it is the goal of the Prophet Muhammad’s mystic night journey and the site of one of Islam’s most sacred shrines. For all three faiths it is a holy city, a centre ofpilgrimage, and an object of devotion."

They all fight over the land promised by god. They disagree who God promised it to.
 
socalcoolmx

socalcoolmx

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bravedave said:
What is being denied again? Exactly. Seems y'all have the market cornered on denial.

Or maybe, what 21st century Zionist crimes are we to be denying?
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Let's start with the 20 century and work our way up War Crime

"The letter is brought forth by a member of the MAPAM leftist party, S. Kaplan, who got the letter of testimony from the soldier. It is written to Eliezer Peri, editor of Al Hamishmar, and dated 8th November 1948 (18 days after the massacre):

To comrade Eliezer Peri, good day,

Today I have read the editorial of “Al Hamishmar” where the question of our army’s conduct was aired, the army which conquers all but its own desires.

A testimony provided to me by an officer which was in [Al] Dawayima the day after its conquering: The soldier is one of ours, intellectual, reliable, in all 100%. He had confided in me out of a need to unload the heaviness of his soul from the horror of the recognition that such level of barbarism can be reached by our educated and cultured people. He confided in me because not many are the hearts today who are able to listen.

There was no battle and no resistance (and no Egyptians). The first conquerors killed from eighty to a hundred Arabs [including] women and children. The children were killed by smashing of their skulls with sticks. There was not a house without dead. The second wave of the [Israeli] army was a platoon that the soldier giving testimony belongs to.

In the town were left male and female Arabs, who were put into houses and were then locked in without receiving food or drink. Later explosive engineers came to blow up houses. One commander ordered an engineer to put two elderly women into the house that was to be blown up. The engineered refused and said he is willing to receive orders only from his [own] commander. So then [his] commander ordered the soldiers to put the women in and the evil deed was performed.

One soldier boasted that he raped an Arab woman and afterwards shot her. An Arab woman with a days-old infant was used for cleaning the back yard where the soldiers eat. She serviced them for a day or two, after which they shot her and the infant. The soldier tells that the commanders who are cultured and polite, considered good guys in society, have become vile murderers, and this occurs not in the storm of battle and heated response, but rather from a system of expulsion and destruction. The fewer Arabs remain – the better. This principle is the main political motive of [the] expulsions and acts of horror which no-one objects to, not in the field command nor amongst the highest military command. I myself was at the front for two weeks and heard boasting stories of soldiers and commanders, of how they excelled in the acts of hunting and “fucking” [sic]. To fuck an Arab, just like that, and in any circumstance, is considered an impressive mission and there is competition on winning this [trophy].

We find ourselves in a conundrum. To shout this out in the press will mean to assist the Arab League, which our representatives deny all complaints of. To not react would mean solidarity with moral corruption. The soldier told me that Deir Yassin [another massacre, by Irgun militants, April 1948] is not the peak of hooliganism. Is it possible to shout about Deir Yassin and be silent about something much worse?

It is necessary to initiate a scandal in the internal channels, to insist upon an internal investigation and punish the culprits. And first of all it is necessary to create in the military a special unit for the restraint of the army. I myself accuse first of all the government, which doesn’t seem to have any interest to fight the phenomena and perhaps even encourages them indirectly. The fact of not-acting is in itself encouragement. My commander told me that there is an unwritten order to not take prisoners of war, and the interpretation of “prisoner” is individually given by each soldier and commander. A prisoner can be an Arab man, woman or child. This was not only done at the exhibition windows [major Palestinian towns] such as Majdal and Nazareth.

I write this to you so that in the editorial and in the party the truth will be known and something effective would be done. At least let them not indulge in phony diplomacy which covers up for blood and murder, and to the extent possible, also the paper must not let this pass in silence.

Kaplan

- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/02/barbarism-by-an-educated-and-cultured-people-dawayima-massacre-was-worse-than-deir-yassin/#sthash.GXXprZRB.dpuf
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Commycharb said:
Attention Isrealies zionists and jews as a whole to a lesser extent. Isreal is evil. They are murdering bullies who try to play the victim card all the time. Problem is, you don't seem to realize, that we the rest of earth think your actions are intolerable and soon we will actually have to do something about it. Peace talks wont be on the table @ that point. You want a war ... well your going to get it.
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Look how well the last war went for the arabs. And Israel has nukes now... Yeah, this should be a show!!
 
Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie

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NLXSK1 said:
Look how well the last war went for the arabs. And Israel has nukes now... Yeah, this should be a show!!
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Nlxsk1,

Do you dislike arabs? I have to ask to make sure. Uncle Buck said so.

This comment seems like you would enjoy seeing arabs get nuked. Do you believe arabs as a group deserve nuclear war brought upon their citizens?

Or were you trying to point out that it would be bad for arabs to provoke Israel when they have nukes?
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Flaming Pie said:
Nlxsk1,

Do you dislike arabs? I have to ask to make sure. Uncle Buck said so.

This comment seems like you would enjoy seeing arabs get nuked. Do you believe arabs as a group deserve nuclear war brought upon their citizens?

Or were you trying to point out that it would be bad for arabs to provoke Israel when they have nukes?
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Someone said that the arabs were gonna attack Israel. I replied "bring it".

I dislike aggressors.
 
Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie

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ttystikk said:
Hmmmmmm So you're saying that Israel is never aggressive? o_O
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I don't believe Israel is blameless myself.

How it has gotten this bad I can only see as hate both ways.

It would be wonderful if they could come to a solution but how do you unravel that ball of yarn?
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Flaming Pie said:
I don't believe Israel is blameless myself.

How it has gotten this bad I can only see as hate both ways.

It would be wonderful if they could come to a solution but how do you unravel that ball of yarn?
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First, stop arming the aggressors; ALL of them. This would be an excellent place to start.
 
NewtoMJ

NewtoMJ

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ttystikk said:
First, stop arming the aggressors; ALL of them. This would be an excellent place to start.
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Cutting the supply of American munitions would only increase the presence of Russian arms. Oddly enough it's easier to track our own arms and in turn makes it easier for the Intel community to accurately map out the movements of groups both friendly and hostile. The real key to peace is education. We have to be willing to educate the people's in the region about their shared humanity, break the devastating link fatwa has over the middle east. Negotiations for Israel will never be possible, while the Israeli leadership views Muslims as animals.
 
bravedave

bravedave

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socalcoolmx said:
Let's start with the 20 century and work our way up War Crime

"The letter is brought forth by a member of the MAPAM leftist party, S. Kaplan, who got the letter of testimony from the soldier. It is written to Eliezer Peri, editor of Al Hamishmar, and dated 8th November 1948 (18 days after the massacre):

To comrade Eliezer Peri, good day,

Today I have read the editorial of “Al Hamishmar” where the question of our army’s conduct was aired, the army which conquers all but its own desires.

A testimony provided to me by an officer which was in [Al] Dawayima the day after its conquering: The soldier is one of ours, intellectual, reliable, in all 100%. He had confided in me out of a need to unload the heaviness of his soul from the horror of the recognition that such level of barbarism can be reached by our educated and cultured people. He confided in me because not many are the hearts today who are able to listen.

There was no battle and no resistance (and no Egyptians). The first conquerors killed from eighty to a hundred Arabs [including] women and children. The children were killed by smashing of their skulls with sticks. There was not a house without dead. The second wave of the [Israeli] army was a platoon that the soldier giving testimony belongs to.

In the town were left male and female Arabs, who were put into houses and were then locked in without receiving food or drink. Later explosive engineers came to blow up houses. One commander ordered an engineer to put two elderly women into the house that was to be blown up. The engineered refused and said he is willing to receive orders only from his [own] commander. So then [his] commander ordered the soldiers to put the women in and the evil deed was performed.

One soldier boasted that he raped an Arab woman and afterwards shot her. An Arab woman with a days-old infant was used for cleaning the back yard where the soldiers eat. She serviced them for a day or two, after which they shot her and the infant. The soldier tells that the commanders who are cultured and polite, considered good guys in society, have become vile murderers, and this occurs not in the storm of battle and heated response, but rather from a system of expulsion and destruction. The fewer Arabs remain – the better. This principle is the main political motive of [the] expulsions and acts of horror which no-one objects to, not in the field command nor amongst the highest military command. I myself was at the front for two weeks and heard boasting stories of soldiers and commanders, of how they excelled in the acts of hunting and “fucking” [sic]. To fuck an Arab, just like that, and in any circumstance, is considered an impressive mission and there is competition on winning this [trophy].

We find ourselves in a conundrum. To shout this out in the press will mean to assist the Arab League, which our representatives deny all complaints of. To not react would mean solidarity with moral corruption. The soldier told me that Deir Yassin [another massacre, by Irgun militants, April 1948] is not the peak of hooliganism. Is it possible to shout about Deir Yassin and be silent about something much worse?

It is necessary to initiate a scandal in the internal channels, to insist upon an internal investigation and punish the culprits. And first of all it is necessary to create in the military a special unit for the restraint of the army. I myself accuse first of all the government, which doesn’t seem to have any interest to fight the phenomena and perhaps even encourages them indirectly. The fact of not-acting is in itself encouragement. My commander told me that there is an unwritten order to not take prisoners of war, and the interpretation of “prisoner” is individually given by each soldier and commander. A prisoner can be an Arab man, woman or child. This was not only done at the exhibition windows [major Palestinian towns] such as Majdal and Nazareth.

I write this to you so that in the editorial and in the party the truth will be known and something effective would be done. At least let them not indulge in phony diplomacy which covers up for blood and murder, and to the extent possible, also the paper must not let this pass in silence.

Kaplan

- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/02/barbarism-by-an-educated-and-cultured-people-dawayima-massacre-was-worse-than-deir-yassin/#sthash.GXXprZRB.dpuf
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You have already been shown to post bullshit so I don't bother reading your stuff. Find another audience.
 
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oswizzle

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Not one Israeli supporter has taken any responsibility for the actions of God's Chosen People and just blame the Arabs instead.. a fairy tale book doesn't give you the right to Squat in someone else's land.. it's a land of brown people... not eastern Europeans
 
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oswizzle

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Even the CIA has said Israel will cease to exist for another 25 years on its current course.. Squatters are never appreciated
 
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