Ketamine and Cannabis

i didnt say "dont legalize K". fuck i want them to legalize all the drugs and manufacturing process. like ive said before NATURAL SELECTION let the junkie and illegitimate chemists do the dirty work for themselves instead of us trying to inhibit thier behaviors.


:) you making me amused trying to figure out what i believe in. i have no beliefs, honestly id prefer if we all where crushed by an asteroid.
 
MISSPHOEBE said:
.... chemical substances are SO ten years ago dude.......... weed is IN........... chemical crap is out!
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polyarcturus said:
at least his junk wont kill, and he is helping reduce our carbon foot print. also a least he can still function on his junk. go ahead and do some K in front of me ;)
find yourself looking like the lizardman in the morning.
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:lol:

Bro, look what section your in. Hallucinatory substances. Were not talking about weed here. That's every other section.


That being said, I've died from Ketamine just as many times as I've died from cannabis. Zero. Have you ever DONE ketamine? Been in a K hole? :lol:. Doubt it.

I've taken two hits of acid, tripped my face off, smoked 4 joints and insufflated 110mg of Ketamine in the span of 6 hours. Nobody got hurt, nobody died, had a great fucking time. I woke up in the morning feeling like a million bucks with a new perspective on life, and zero hang over.

That being said, I don't take the shit every day like I smoke weed. But it can be used responsibly. Thus, I politely ask you folks who are condemning people for taking drugs you aren't particularly fond of - to get the fuck out.

This is a positive learning environment, for hallucinogenic substances. Get with it. Or get out. :peace:
 
polyarcturus said:
i didnt say "dont legalize K". fuck i want them to legalize all the drugs and manufacturing process. like ive said before NATURAL SELECTION let the junkie and illegitimate chemists do the dirty work for themselves instead of us trying to inhibit thier behaviors.


:) you making me amused trying to figure out what i believe in. i have no beliefs, honestly id prefer if we all where crushed by an asteroid.
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I just wanted to know what facts you had to stand behind to tell me I'm a lesser person than you a uh "waste of space" because I like to partake in other recreational drugs beside the ones that have long term medical studies done on them. How is it that because I do these drugs it makes me a less productive member of society than you? All you appear to do is boast about all your achievements in real life and than spew your beliefs that seem to be devoid of any concrete facts to support the original point you made... An I'm the troll, sounds good :hug:. I just realized though after reading all you've posted I could care less what your response to my "waste of space" life is worth ;)
 
first off, you know its not good for you. sencond there has been plenty of research on K. and third im trying as hard as i can to not waste much space.

man your talking about beliefs again, like i said i dont have any personally i wish you would grow out of it as as stated b4.... but it not like that, there are only 2 kinds of people in this world, the ones that are alive and the ones that are dead.
 
Dude on natgeo drugs shit destroyed his urethra doing k. Owch. Pissing blood, and everything. Also like poster said unless you're the perfect example of a person free from any wrong doing then you shouldn't criticize others.
 
k cures depression for a couple of weeks. (more info)
i smoke weed with it personally, but i don't think it's going to enhance the experience very much. holin is holin.
i also wouldn't really be mixing salts into that equation but that's just me. stims and dissociatives doesn't sound like an appealing combo to me.
 
drolove said:
lol never heard of a weed junkie. pot head maybe but no junkie :p
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Why do you think weed is illegal? Because Marijuana, as well as the people who cultivate it and consume it are bad. MMkay? "weed junkies" if you will.

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The general consensus, has been, and continues to be that marijuana has no medical benefits, and harms society. This is why it is a scheduled substance. And illegal in most countries. In some countries, such as Malaysia, simply possessing relatively small amounts of marijuana can lead to a death penalty.



Cannabis is seen as bad in the 'public eye', because it is thought of as harmful/useless, and governments across the world condemn it's use.

You are following the same logic with Ketamine. You think it's harmful, and because it's scheduled and illegal it's bad. You think that you are above the people who use it, because of those reasons. When in truth it has been proven safe when used responsibly, as well as quite promising for medicinal applications . This is the exact case with Cannabis, that more people are realizing every day. Ketamine has been swept up in the drug war right along with cannabis, lsd, mdma, dmt and more. Just like cannabis, ketamine has been affected by a government/big business funded smear campaign that tells the general public that people who take certain drugs are bad, and deserve to be punished as well as looked down upon by the rest of society.
 
only one thing wrong with you opinion verde.... K inhibits you ability to think. i would be happy to preform in any competion against someone who i high on K since this will give me a much better chance of winning... where as if i knew they only smoked weed this fact wouldnt mean a thing to the compition since he cna probably snap out of the weed high to put up a fighting chance.

better example, do you think Michael Phelps would have won the gold metal had he been high on K rather than weed? maybe we should test his swimming times on both substances. it very simple some drugs make you weak, some drugs not so much. pick and choose, live your life and eventually like everyone, we die. i choose to live as long as possible so K doesnt make the cut for the team:)
 
Psuedo said:
Interesting fact. Ketamine is a schedule 3. Pot is a schedule 1. Fucked up isnt it?
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No because if it was schedule I than veterinarians wouldn't be able to prescribe it. It is actually an effective anesthetic for animals before surgery... I think the most abundant isomer of THC in marijuana being schedule III while the plant itself remaining schedule I is more fucked up honestly :dunce:.
 
Psuedo said:
Interesting fact. Ketamine is a schedule 3. Pot is a schedule 1. Fucked up isnt it?
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yes it is.

i had to go and meditate on this since understanding my view on drugs is interesting. this is the best way to explain it.

As adults we have the right to do as we please. life is like a game, so to speak. in this game we have everything we need and more. there are 2 basic options when it come to the "more" as we dont need it we can treat it one of 2 ways, of course with some variance according to whats accepted culturally. we either A)choose to treat it like a toy and "play with fire" or B) use it like a tool, and "use the fire" of course life means to experiment so i say go ahead and try it but


IMO honest opinion once you have control over your mind, "tripping" is nothing more than living. i can see hear and do anyhing i want i only needed one hallucinogenic experience to open my "eyes" to this part of my mind i can never be closed completely and using drugs to get back ther shows how weak you are. you must train your mind.

the hardest practice is to remain aware while being completely thoughtless,it is very difficult, i would use drugs to reach this state once, but not ever to return. you must be able to return with own strength(mental will), the tool(drug) was to only open your mind to its existence within your mind.

anyways treat drugs like tools not like toys, especially when they affect your functionality.
 
polyarcturus said:
yes it is.

i had to go and meditate on this since understanding my view on drugs is interesting. this is the best way to explain it.

As adults we have the right to do as we please. life is like a game, so to speak. in this game we have everything we need and more. there are 2 basic options when it come to the "more" as we dont need it we can treat it one of 2 ways, of course with some variance according to whats accepted culturally. we either A)choose to treat it like a toy and "play with fire" or B) use it like a tool, and "use the fire" of course life means to experiment so i say go ahead and try it but


IMO honest opinion once you have control over your mind, "tripping" is nothing more than living. i can see hear and do anyhing i want i only needed one hallucinogenic experience to open my "eyes" to this part of my mind i can never be closed completely and using drugs to get back ther shows how weak you are. you must train your mind.

the hardest practice is to remain aware while being completely thoughtless,it is very difficult, i would use drugs to reach this state once, but not ever to return. you must be able to return with own strength(mental will), the tool(drug) was to only open your mind to its existence within your mind.

anyways treat drugs like tools not like toys, especially when they affect your functionality.
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I know I've been probably the greatest antagonist to you in this issue but I gotta say that was well fuckin' said imo. Please except apologizes for all the rude comments... (no sarcasm intended)
 
its all good homie i enjoyed the conversation although i was a bit harsh from both our ends, yeah i apologize too, but you had me thinking.
 
polyarcturus said:
only one thing wrong with you opinion verde.... K inhibits you ability to think. i would be happy to preform in any competion against someone who i high on K since this will give me a much better chance of winning... where as if i knew they only smoked weed this fact wouldnt mean a thing to the compition since he cna probably snap out of the weed high to put up a fighting chance.

better example, do you think Michael Phelps would have won the gold metal had he been high on K rather than weed? maybe we should test his swimming times on both substances. it very simple some drugs make you weak, some drugs not so much. pick and choose, live your life and eventually like everyone, we die. i choose to live as long as possible so K doesnt make the cut for the team:)
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Your examples suck.

Who cares that K inhibits your motor function? Alcohol does the same thing. I don't really even understand your argument. People do K before they go to a club, not before an Olympic competition. Your example is irrelevant to drugs.




Let me break down your argument for you:

Premise 1: Ketamine is bad because it inebriates you more than cannabis.

Premise 2: The level of inebriation is worse because Michael Phelps would take longer to swim a lap on Ketamine, a substance commonly used as an anesthetic. (breaking news)

Conclusion: You will live longer if you don't do ketamine.


Instead of making Michael Phelps snort K and do a lap to test how safe a drug is, why don't you just open a book and read a few studies? :lol:


I eagerly await your reply.
 
[h=1]Ketamine Use in the ER Expanded[/h]
Washington, DC— Guidelines for using ketamine in the emergency department have been updated for the first time since 2004, with its use expanded to include adults and babies between three and 12 months of age. In related news, the first randomized, controlled trial of ketamine plus propofol versus propofol alone in the emergency department showed less respiratory depression and more provider satisfaction for the ketamine plus propofol combination. The revised clinical practice guidelines and the results of the ketamine/propofol study are published online today in ​
Annals of Emergency Medicine
(“Clinical Practice Guidelines for Emergency Department Ketamine Dissociative Sedation: 2011 Update” and “A Randomized, Controlled Trial of Ketamine/Propofol vs. Propofol Alone For Emergency Department Procedural Sedation”). ​
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i dont drink and i look at alcohol the same way. so that was a major fail.

come to my club on k and let me know like i said i will have you tatted up like lizardman by the end of the night.

as far as studying..... phelps was just a good example there are tons of studies on K and most of them tell you its not good for the intended purposes often discussed around here. dont eagerly await any more replys cause that last post sums it up. you just said yourself that most people use it like a "toy" and take it b4 going to clubs.... your kinda validating my point now.
 
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