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IAm5toned said:
As a matter of fact, the US Army Corps of engineers owns every sq inch of shoreline in the united states, regardless of whose name is on the deed, they have right of eminent domain.

what this means for you, is that tampering with a waterway, or body of water, without prior approval, is a federal offense.

tho honestly, i do think that if in a worst case scenario, u got pinched, they would rather charge u with manufacturing than fed stuff... but, it also might be a way to get you caught, or something else on top of an already massive fine/sentence....

big ups!
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Thanks, but wrong country. Canada. :)
 
At this rate I wonder how many posts we'll have in here after a years worth of harvest and upgrades.................. Already planning expansions every here and there every month................ Addicted....................
 
Heat exchanger would be perfect for what you want to do, but still there's no difference as far as the law, probably in Canada too. They would make the claim still that you are destroying the environment by boiling fish alive. They'd tell your jury how just 1 degree difference in water temp can kill sensitive creatures and etc etc you get the idea. Indefensible, no way you can win. (Unless you're a big corporation with pull in government.)


Even with a heat exchanger and a very large lake it would not be hard at all to heat up the water near your exchanger enough to show quite obviously on FLIR unless the lake has a good current to it. Some guy tried to use his in ground backyard big swimming pool the same way a while back, and found his huge pool steaming with just a handfull of KW at certain times in certain weather. He was literally creating his own fog over his pool on those weaird days that are already naturally right on the edge of foggy and it was out of line even for a heated pool, just didn't look right.

Just trying to save you a whole lot of trouble, it's well worth paying that electric to use a big chiller if you want to water cool and keep it all inside under wraps and you have no excuse not to pay it.

I hope you have negotiated the best electric rates you can. Some places you can change plans, use power based on time of day to save 3/4 the cost, etc. Look into those things if you haven't to offset your costs my electric dropped drastically on the right time of day plan, now I could burn all I want pretty cheap.
 
Just a thought on the water cooling & what not. Yes, you certainly would be able to see the heat plume in the water while flying over with I.R. cameras so why not hide it out in the open.
Install a hydronic heating system in the building. That involved long runs of tubes filled with water. You basically run that through usually the earth via holes drilled like wells but it can also be done with a large body of water. Essentially you take the heat from say 300 gallons of liquid at 54 degrees (thats about what is it 50' down in the ground or at the bottom of a lake/pond) you run that through a compressor & transfer that heat energy to say 50 gallons of water that you use to heat your home. This can also be done in revearse for cooling.

I am no expert. I just build houses for a living so I am a little familiar with the systems. Just enough to know it would work & you should at least look into it.

Bye
 
Laugh.. should have read next page. I was going to suggest a heat exchanger as well. I was too stoned to remember the term so I left it out of my post..

Ok.. This could be posted on the You know your a stoner when.. thread :)
 
Beautiful setup! but im a bit confused as to why you want to water cool the lamps, it seems to me it would be easier to swap out that heater for a CH/AC and duct the hoods to exhaust the heated air through the attic or out a dryer duct. maybe im missing something. I agree with OregonMeds, people would probably be more upset about you messing with the lake than they would about you growing buds. also is this room is below the level of the lake? if so a small leak in your cooling system could result in a major flood.
 
lol, true hadn't considered that :) but i think the difference in operating costs would be small considering the size of the rooms. duct fans aren't that expensive to run, enclosed ducted hoods drastically reduce heat produced by the lights.
 
SCCA said:
Beautiful setup! but im a bit confused as to why you want to water cool the lamps, it seems to me it would be easier to swap out that heater for a CH/AC and duct the hoods to exhaust the heated air through the attic or out a dryer duct. maybe im missing something. I agree with OregonMeds, people would probably be more upset about you messing with the lake than they would about you growing buds. also is this room is below the level of the lake? if so a small leak in your cooling system could result in a major flood.
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I've used Iceboxes and chillers before. Pretty easy stuff, leaks are negligible as with proper plumbing you have water pipes all over your house too above below and to the sides of you right now probably.

The lake/streams pump would be on a float, only fill when the float is below level X.

If I'm dumping that water to sewer lines too, there's no 'water exhaust' or kiddy swimming pool or anything like that. No heat sig.

The reason to water cool lights is so I dont have to use AC in the summer and I can maintain CO2 in each room instead of open air system.
 
SCCA said:
lol, true hadn't considered that :) but i think the difference in operating costs would be small considering the size of the rooms. duct fans aren't that expensive to run, enclosed ducted hoods drastically reduce heat produced by the lights.
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You only see 4 lights on right now. There will be 24 1000watters in the end. Conserve as much electric as I can!
 
Rewired the 240v's ground wire from the neutral bus to the ground bus. Seems solid. The panel no longer beeps from the voltage detector if the circuit is off, so problem #1 solved.

I havent checked the other outlets on the top half since they pop the circuit in the small panel still.

The bottom outlets all flash that they have voltage, but when I plug in a ballast to the outlet nothing turns on. Doesnt trip anything, but doesnt work either. Any thoughts?
 
Ok cool, you're just going to drain the lake water to sewer? Awesome, your neighbors are going to absolutely love you.

:)

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OregonMeds said:
Ok cool, you're just going to drain the lake water to sewer? Awesome, your neighbors are going to absolutely love you. :)
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I see it this way, the water I'm dumping in the sewer is better than all the piss and shit they dump in it. :) Probably 500 gallons a day per room, that's my guess. Which, is really no more than a handful of homes when you count dishwashers and hot showers every day for a normal family! I dont know if any homes are wired on the same lines, but the closest neighborhoods are about 6 miles away
 
researchkitty said:
Rewired the 240v's ground wire from the neutral bus to the ground bus. Seems solid. The panel no longer beeps from the voltage detector if the circuit is off, so problem #1 solved.

I havent checked the other outlets on the top half since they pop the circuit in the small panel still.

The bottom outlets all flash that they have voltage, but when I plug in a ballast to the outlet nothing turns on. Doesnt trip anything, but doesnt work either. Any thoughts?
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Make sure your receptacles are wired the same as that could be the problem. With 240 one hot wire is negative, then the other is positive, so the two hot wires complete the circuit together because they are "out of phase". This is why 240 volt circuits connect to double pole breakers that are essentially two single pole breakers tied together. In the main panel, every other breaker is out of phase with the adjoining breakers. So, in essence 240 volt wiring is powered by 2 - 120 volt hot wires that are 180 degrees out of phase.

After making sure your receptacles are properly wired try using a multimeter on one of the receptacles to make sure it's getting proper voltage, you should be pulling 120v from each leg.
 
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