Thanks for that Dinosaur Bone. I've never had much joy with cucumbers. I was rewarded with one white cucumber last year! Regarding the Kiwano looking weedy, yes it does. Very. It has started to flower, which is good. I'll check the web shortly to see what i can do with it. I did check the web a few times before, but there wasn't much about it unless i was too baked and didn't notice which is most probable!