Kosher Kush, Holy Grail Kush, Cataract Kush, Tora Bora Review

HG1 - Early Sample (7 Days Dry)






HG1 - Early Sample (9 Days Dry)




Update

-All samples are now drying.


Some Dry Shots (from couple days ago, TB not included)




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Nice report. Very intresting stuff.
I was going to use my Emerald Triangle freebie seeds on the next grow but i've been reading into alot of negative posts about them recently. So i'm thinking of buying a single seed of either Kosher Kush or Holy Grail Kush.
By your report it seems like the HGK is a winner. Seems alot eaier to grow, better yielder but whats the smoke report on it please? Thanks again, great report!

Hi there.

Thanks, Nattybongo.

I have no experience with ET but offer my thoughts that selective secondary research, (which I acknowledge is an efficient data collection method with considerable value), can be irrelevant in contrast to one’s own experience(s), if applicable. Thus, if your situations permits, I would like to see you test and, if possible, document the products you already possess, and determine your conclusion of ET based on such experience, if you still have the desire and resources to do so.

I apologize but, in an attempt to offer an unbiased, fair and extensive review of all samples, smoke reports will be posted when final samples are cured, evaluated and documented. The wait is difficult for me as well.

ipplaya said:

Hi there.

Thanks, Nattybongo.

I have no experience with ET but offer my thoughts that selective secondary research, (which I acknowledge is an efficient data collection method with considerable value), can be irrelevant in contrast to one’s own experience(s), if applicable. Thus, if your situations permits, I would like to see you test and, if possible, document the products you already possess, and determine your conclusion of ET based on such experience, if you still have the desire and resources to do so.

I apologize but, in an attempt to offer an unbiased, fair and extensive review of all samples, smoke reports will be posted when final samples are cured, evaluated and documented. The wait is difficult for me as well.

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Thanks for the reply. Looking forward to the smoke report.
Since i'm still new to growin and only have limited space, I don't think I can risk wasting time if the ET plants hermie. I'll keep the beans for the future tho but since i'm trying to get a smooth run I think i'll probs invest in the single Holy Grail Kush seed and stick it in with the other plants that i'll be growing.
But thanks again man!

Hi All.

-CK, KK2, HG2 samples have been slightly manicured, placed into open jars and should begin the curing process in a couple days
-KK1, HG1, and TB samples are still drying
-Next: Yields and ease of trim report (~10 days)

I look forward to completing this review and will utilize the template (linked below) for the smoke report. If there is any specific data/info not included/documented, feel free to request and offer any tips you may have.

https://www.rollitup.org/smoke-reports/524694-smoke-report-template.html


Wake N Bake Test

This is a personal test I will administer to assess, mainly the potency and high produced, from each sample and assign a grade accordingly (other variables such as yield, aesthetics/taste, growth are not considered in this grade).

Requirements/Conditions:

-The same clean bong and bowl with fresh water
-Within 30 mins of waking up
-Completely sober
-No food consumption beforehand
-A small, personally dependent but constant, sample equal to ONE large single inhale
-Testing occurs in same environment and time on different morning for each sample
-Each sample is tested at least twice, with more weight allocated to final test
-Final test and grade is performed/assigned after preliminary sampling has been performed and some familiarity with each strain has been developed

(Ive included my thoughts on previous samples)

[TABLE="width: 883"]
[TR]
[TD] Sample[/TD]
[TD] Initial Urge/Reaction[/TD]
[TD] Grade[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]Instant urge to go back to sleep or instantaneous couch lock. Is this BHO?, … zzz.


[/TD]
[TD] A+[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]No urge for more and completely satisfied. Today is a write off, … lets eat.


[/TD]
[TD] A[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Og18[/TD]
[TD]No urge for more with a strong buzz. I’ll do that stuff later, … Im chillin now.


[/TD]
[TD] A-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Og Kush[/TD]
[TD]Slight urge, then it hits with a nice buzz. Relaxed and ready to start the day, … maybe in an hour.


[/TD]
[TD] B+[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sour Kush[/TD]
[TD]Small urge for another but satisfied. I feel good, … lets clean.


[/TD]
[TD] B[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]C.Cheese
Sleeskunk[/TD]
[TD]Urge for more but will resist. That was a tease, … ok another small one.



[/TD]
[TD] B-[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Pure Afghan (C-)
[/TD]
[TD]Instantly pack another after exhale, … maybe a couple more.


[/TD]
[TD] C (+/-)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD]No urge to consume in future, .... into the trim pile.


[/TD]
[TD] F[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Note- Test ineffective for ‘samples with ‘creeping’ attributes



In addition, I made a list of some reviews Ive read, for those interested. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any detailed smoke reports on the Holy Grail at this time.


Others' Grow/Smoke Reports

Kosher:

http://forum.grasscity.com/hydroponic-grow-journals/964938-kosher-kush-scrog-1st-time-9.html

http://reviews.nuggetry.com/buds/kosher-kush-from-south-bay-canna-clinic-ldog

http://reviews.nuggetry.com/buds/kosher-kush-from-south-bay-canna-clinic-ldog-2

http://budgenius.com/search.html?ta...Cbn=0%+-+10%&location=&coordinates=&radius=10

http://www.leafly.com/indica/kosher-kush

http://cannacentral.com/strains/kosher-kush/#reviews

(Note - I did not include the numerous hermie reports)



Holy Grail:

https://www.opengrow.com/topic/45693-hg-kush-tangerine-dream/

http://forum.grasscity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=869728&d=1335660797

http://www.thctalk.com/cannabis-forum/showthread.php?69577-Possible-hermie



Cataract:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FisH6SBz7M4&feature=related

http://reviews.nuggetry.com/buds/cataract-kush-from-private-dealer-drums

http://www.leafly.com/hybrid/cataract-kush

http://cannacentral.com/strains/cataract-kush/#reviews



Tora Bora:

http://forums.bcbudnetwork.com/showthread.php?tid=10646

http://www.icmag.com/modules/ICStrainguide/index.php?eop=showstrain&id=2932

https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/356927-knock-you-your-ass-strains.html

ipplaya said:

HG1 - Early Sample (7 Days Dry)


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HG1 - Early Sample (9 Days Dry)

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Update

-All samples are now drying.


Some Dry Shots (from couple days ago, TB not included)


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thats some real dizzle.great job.

yea my lemon og 9 days old .really lookin forward to that.

Hey was growing hg myself and og 18 .I was wondering if you can
let men know which nutes you used on them girls .. By the way , sick plants

I know your r patiently waiting the cure for any further reports but if u could try and describe te smell of the hg and the ok. I am looking for a strain that Reeks of kush. Any help would be appreciated

Auto correct lol. I meant the holy grail and kosher

lol,i have a pair of scales jus like those.keep it growin.rdr.

Yields and Ease of Trim

[TABLE="class: grid, width: 847"]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]
Subject[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]
Yield[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]
Rank
(%of.total)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]
Comments[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Ease of Trim
(10-Easiest, 1-Most difficult)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]
Rank[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]CK[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]18g[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]6
(7.75%)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]- Longer veg and better positioning/more light would help increase yield and reduce stretch, but still a low yielding strain[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]6.0[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]3[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]KKI[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]33g[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]5
(14.2%)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]-Kosher/Sativa leaning, more leafy than KKII
-Placed in centre to reduce largest anticipated stretch, received most light[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]5.0[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]KKII[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]49g[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2
(21.1%)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]-Easiest of all samples to trim
-Received most light, best position[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]7.0[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]HGI[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]51g[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1
(22.0%)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]-Kosher/Sativa leaning, a little more leafy than HGII
-Highest yielding and slightly difficult to trim[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]6.0[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]HGII[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]38g[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]4
(16.4%)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]-More Og18/indica leaning than to HG1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]6.5[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]TB[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]43g[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]3
(18.5%)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]-Originally thought La dom, but definitely X18 leaning, needed more veg
-Very leafy and more difficult to trim than expected[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]4.5[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Total[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]232g[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]-
(100%)[/TD]
[TD="align: left"]The goal was 8-10oz, so barely hit the target, but the most important, prevailing factor is still to be determined; quality/potency[/TD]
[TD="colspan: 2, align: center"]-[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Note- Yields do not include preliminary samples tested, which should more than offset any percentage to be lost during the curing process


Light/Subject Layout

-Total enclosed space – 26 in x72 in
-Space used for subjects – 26 in(0.66m) x 42 in(1.07m)
-Surface area: 0.70 m[SUP]2[/SUP]
-(1) 400W HPS, (4) 23W Cfls (introduced at week 3 flower)
-Acknowledgement that outer subjects, especially CK and TB received less light and worse position
-Ideal positioning was given subjects with greatest anticipated stretch

[--------------- 42 in ---------------]
CFL ......................................................CFL
....HG1.............KK2................CK
[----20 in----] HPS [-----22 in-----]
....HG2.............KK1................TB
CFL.......................................................CFL


Yield Efficiency Data and Ratios

[TABLE="class: grid, width: 500, align: left"]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]
Phase[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Power Used
(W/KW)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Hours On (hrs)
{per day/phase}[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]KWH used (KWxH)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Veg – Week 1[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]400/0.4[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]20/140[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]56.0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Veg – Week 2[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]400/0.4[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]18/126[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]50.4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Transition[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]400/0.4[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]17,16,15,14,13/75[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]30.0[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Week 1-2[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]400/0.4[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]12/168[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]67.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Week 3-10[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]492/0.492[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]12/672[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]330.6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Total
(Weighted Average)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]
(452/0.452)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1181[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]534.2[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: grid, width: 271, align: left"]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Ratio[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Overall
Results[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]G / W[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]0.51
(232g / 452W)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]G / KWH used[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]0.43
(232g / 534.2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]G / m[SUP]2[/SUP][/TD]
[TD="align: center"]331.4
(232g / 0.70)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Total Expense of Lighting
(@7.5 cents/KWH)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]$40.06
($0.075 x 534.2)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Cost / Day[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]$0.45
($40.06 / 89)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Yield(g)/Day[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2.61
(232g / 89)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Cost / G[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]$0.17
($40.06 / 232g)[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: grid, width: 685, align: left"]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Sample[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Actual
Yield[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Extrapolated
Yield
(Yield x6)[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Extrapolated
G/ KWH used[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Extrapolated
G / m[SUP]2[/SUP][/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Extrapolated
Cost / G[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Extrapolated
Cost Efficiency [/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Rank[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]CK[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]18g[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]108g[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]0.20[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]154[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]$0.37[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]46%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]6[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]KKI[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]33g[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]198g[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]0.372[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]283[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]$0.20[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]85%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]5[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]KKII[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]49g[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]294g[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]0.55[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]420[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]$0.14[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]125%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]2[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]HGI[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]51g[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]306g[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]0.57[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]437[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]$0.13[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]131%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]HGII[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]38g[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]228g[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]0.43[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]326[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]$0.18[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]97%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]4[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]TB[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]43g[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]258g[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]0.48[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]369[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]$0.16[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]110%[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]3[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
Note- Extrapolations of data are simplified estimates, and do not account for light positioning, unequal distribution and other variances


Update

-All samples have been painstakingly manicured
-Now: Curing Process/Patience
-Up Next/To Come: Smoke Reports, Wake N Bake Test Results, Summary/Conclusion

Your patience is uncanny.

Awesome Keep it up !!!

This has been an excellent journal!!!

Hi Excellent Journal.

Just a quick question are all of these under just the one 400w?

Keep up the good work man!

Way to go Ipplaya. This is the kind of documentation I expect from true breeders.

Hi All.

Thanks for all the kind words.

Yes. One 400w MH/HPS (HPS introduced at Week 2)

Will try my best to have the review completed asap.

This is one of the best detailed grow threads I've seen in a long time Ipplaya. Just wanted to let you now I'm still checking in on your thread. My Holy Grail kush's are about a foot tall and doing well and ended up with 2 diff phenotype's

Tony Sativa said:

This is one of the best detailed grow threads I've seen in a long time Ipplaya. Just wanted to let you now I'm still checking in on your thread. My Holy Grail kush's are about a foot tall and doing well and ended up with 2 diff phenotype's

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Tony took the words out of my mouth. I have 6 holy grails on the way. Going to try to find a mother out of the six beans. Ecxcellent job ipplaya.