kratom question

jessgrl

jessgrl

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I want to order some GOOD seeds as soon as I can, but until I can afford to get good lights (bf has been growing ONE plant for 5 months and it's not ready, I can't wait that long to find something to help with my pain/mood - whatever I smoke now makes me ache more) anyways, I was wondering about Kratom. I saw someone said they ordered from amazon, but I can't find it anywhere on amazon? Is it sold under a different name?
 
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testtime

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I'm under the impression that the chems in kratom are closely related to tramadol (which I used to take WAY too much of, handfuls, seizure level, since the pain killing ability was iffy and I was crazed). But if you like kratom, and it helps you, you may want to ask your Dr. for a tramadol script. They give it out like candy as opposed to a real narcotic, and it is cheap at the pharmacy.
 
bushwickbill

bushwickbill

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Thats what I dont understand about tramadol, to me it feels like a real narcotic, what exactly makes it not a real narcotic.
 
jessgrl

jessgrl

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testtime said:
I'm under the impression that the chems in kratom are closely related to tramadol (which I used to take WAY too much of, handfuls, seizure level, since the pain killing ability was iffy and I was crazed). But if you like kratom, and it helps you, you may want to ask your Dr. for a tramadol script. They give it out like candy as opposed to a real narcotic, and it is cheap at the pharmacy.
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oh no, tramadol screwed me up in the past (ok my over-taking it did) I'll keep searching for something I won't get hooked on (or figure out how to make the weed not make me ache more) thanks for the reply! ***I think I'd like kratom, I LOVED the first time I did percs YEARS ago, but don't want to go there again - only reason I got hooked on tramadol was my suboxen doc prescribed them along with the boxes, which I don't think was smart of him! I hate this pain, I wish smoke made my pain better because I enjoy the way it smooths my anxiety and helps my mood, I don't crave it or HAVE to have it
 
jessgrl

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bushwickbill said:
Thats what I dont understand about tramadol, to me it feels like a real narcotic, what exactly makes it not a real narcotic.
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I had a drug counselor insist there was NOTHING in tramadol that could be in any ways addictive - all I know is it is "opiate-like" and it took away my pain better than any "real" opiate, all day long. 5 tram worked all day (in beginning) as opposed to a couple percs that would last a few hours. plus they gave me energy and made me less depressed (they also act as anti-depressant I hear) - but by the end I was taking tons of tram, crying all the time, couldn't leave the house.....
 
jessgrl

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p.s. thanks for the replies ! I'm gonna do some more herbal research ;) I read skullcap acts as muscle relaxer, gonna check into it more
 
high|hgih

high|hgih

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I've gotten it off Amazon. My dad uses it fir his back pains a opposed to opiates. the best way is to buy 00 pill caps. 1000 for like 10 dollars.

It's a great herb. Use kratomforest to buy it.
 
jessgrl

jessgrl

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high|hgih said:
I've gotten it off Amazon. My dad uses it fir his back pains a opposed to opiates. the best way is to buy 00 pill caps. 1000 for like 10 dollars.

It's a great herb. Use kratomforest to buy it.
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have you gotten it recently? I searched for kratom but can't find - I know I said I wasn't gonna try it but I really need to feel better :( I have gift card balance on amazon, otherwise I'd try a difft site
 
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testtime

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jessgrl said:
I had a drug counselor insist there was NOTHING in tramadol that could be in any ways addictive - all I know is it is "opiate-like" and it took away my pain better than any "real" opiate, all day long. 5 tram worked all day (in beginning) as opposed to a couple percs that would last a few hours. plus they gave me energy and made me less depressed (they also act as anti-depressant I hear) - but by the end I was taking tons of tram, crying all the time, couldn't leave the house.....
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Start reading. Tramadol is a complex drug, or at least works on a bunch of stuff at the same time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tramadol

And now that I just read that, I find it odd that I went through a 5 year period of increasing tramadol usage, holy shit I had these REALLY big bottles of it, and in the end kind of freaked and HAD to stop. And then a few years later I went to a shrink to get effexor (actually, cymbalta, but my insurance said no) for pain. My regular Dr would not prescribe an SNRI to me, he said the shrink was needed. So I went to a shrink NOT to change, but for a specific drug to kill pain that was NOT a narcotic. Shrink did NOT like this, he wasn't there to peddle drugs, and said I needed a few sessions. Sure, I can talk.

I BROKE that shrink. I had him SCREAMING at me:

WHAT THE FUCK DO THESE WOMEN SEE IN YOU!?!?!?!

That was FUN.

So anyway, he prescribed the effexor, it DID help with my pain, it also got me off my ass and out of the house, divorced the wife, started a new life.

I THEN started smoking pot again (after a 27 year break) and had no reason for the effexor, the pot handled the pain.

You need better pot.
 
jessgrl

jessgrl

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testtime said:
Start reading. Tramadol is a complex drug, or at least works on a bunch of stuff at the same time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tramadol

And now that I just read that, I find it odd that I went through a 5 year period of increasing tramadol usage, holy shit I had these REALLY big bottles of it, and in the end kind of freaked and HAD to stop. And then a few years later I went to a shrink to get effexor (actually, cymbalta, but my insurance said no) for pain. My regular Dr would not prescribe an SNRI to me, he said the shrink was needed. So I went to a shrink NOT to change, but for a specific drug to kill pain that was NOT a narcotic. Shrink did NOT like this, he wasn't there to peddle drugs, and said I needed a few sessions. Sure, I can talk.

I BROKE that shrink. I had him SCREAMING at me:

WHAT THE FUCK DO THESE WOMEN SEE IN YOU!?!?!?!

That was FUN.

So anyway, he prescribed the effexor, it DID help with my pain, it also got me off my ass and out of the house, divorced the wife, started a new life.

I THEN started smoking pot again (after a 27 year break) and had no reason for the effexor, the pot handled the pain.

You need better pot.
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yeah, I need better pot :( even the supposedly good stuff around home hurts me (but it doesn't do that to bf?) gotta get us some good seeds
 
MrEDuck

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Tramadol is not an opiate, it is not derived from an opium alkaloid. It is an opioid though, it binds to the mu opioid receptor, and has SNRI effects as well. It's an interesting drug.
 
jessgrl

jessgrl

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MrEDuck said:
Tramadol is not an opiate, it is not derived from an opium alkaloid. It is an opioid though, it binds to the mu opioid receptor, and has SNRI effects as well. It's an interesting drug.
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I have friends who have taken it with no problem and gotten off it without w/drawal but of course they weren't taking 15-30 a day - I think the snri effects really made coming off it much worse for me. I want to lift my mood and ease my pain naturally and not go crazy with pills again
 
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