leaving plant in the pot to dry out in the dark for 72hr question ??

so when you leave plant in the dark to dry out in the pot for 72 hr do you do after the 2 weeks with no nutrients just water or do you do that 72h before 2 weeks are up ?? also will trichomes still keep changing to amber when doing this ??? if so i don't what do do it.... I will trim all fan leafs before doing so

weednurd420 said:

so when you leave plant in the dark to dry out in the pot for 72 hr do you do after the 2 weeks with no nutrients just water or do you do that 72h before 2 weeks are up ?? also will trichomes still keep changing to amber when doing this ??? if so i don't what do do it.... I will trim all fan leafs before doing so

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There are many theories and practices utilized, which at times can be rather controversial as to which are required and which are merely unsubstantiated myths.

It's unlikely you will receive a clear answer to your questions, as I'm sure many will disagree with my suggestion which is KISS, don't take non-require steps.

• 72 hours darkness is not required, most will ensure 12 hours of darkness before harvesting
• 2 weeks without nutes is not required, in fact many say you are just starving your plant in the most productive time frame
• I believe your trichrome will continue to mature during the dark cycle but i have no proof this is fact
• defoliation of your leaves is another huge controversial subject, as many consider this as a ridiculous practice while some growers will defoliate...personally I do not trim/prune the leaves
• and then there is flushing, the other over debated subject...many consider it as essential, other believe it's a joke...personally I think it's a waste of time and water

ISK said:

There are many theories and practices utilized, which at times can be rather controversial as to which are required and which are merely unsubstantiated myths.

It's unlikely you will receive a clear answer to your questions, as I'm sure many will disagree with my suggestion which is KISS, don't take non-require steps.

• 72 hours darkness is not required, most will ensure 12 hours of darkness before harvesting
• 2 weeks without nutes is not required, in fact many say you are just starving your plant in the most productive time frame
• I believe your trichrome will continue to mature during the dark cycle but i have no proof this is fact
• defoliation of your leaves is another huge controversial subject, as many consider this as a ridiculous practice while some growers will defoliate...personally I do not trim/prune the leaves
• and then there is flushing, the other over debated subject...many consider it as essential, other believe it's a joke...personally I think it's a waste of time and water

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BOOM, DONE ! Exactly!

I might add that your trichomes will mature during the drying out process too!

Doc

weednurd420 said:

so when you leave plant in the dark to dry out in the pot for 72 hr do you do after the 2 weeks with no nutrients just water or do you do that 72h before 2 weeks are up ?? also will trichomes still keep changing to amber when doing this ??? if so i don't what do do it.... I will trim all fan leafs before doing so

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Yo,

Like the other guys said, these are all controversial topics but if you want my 2 cents:

Just 4-5 days of flush (RO water) and just 12 hours of darkness before harvest. Any more is just overkill. I tried the whole 72 hour thing and I saw NO benefits. Will your trichs still Amber? Absolutely. Your plant figures it is dying and will continue to move itself to it's end phases of life which includes ambering of trichs. (This is solely based on my personal experiences) .

Nooo,,,,,,Stop hands, stop typing!!!!!

Flushing is a waste of time.

Proper Cure, Proper Cure, PROPER CURE!

If you can not resist the temptation to flush ($#@&*^%). Simply water it as normal with straight pH'ed water for the last week.

Dr. Who said:

Nooo,,,,,,Stop hands, stop typing!!!!!

Flushing is a waste of time.

Proper Cure, Proper Cure, PROPER CURE!

If you can not resist the temptation to flush ($#@&*^%). Simply water it as normal with straight pH'ed water for the last week.

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I don't flush unless it is for salt build up .. I just give last feeding before harvest is all i do I water as normally would.. and im just going to stick her in my bath room before i go to bed and when i get up i will take her down... I like to do the trim after drying but I dont want to dry trim its a bitch, also if my buds dry in 3 days will they cure good as long as i dont let them dry out all the way before putting them in jars

When the stem snaps it's done drying. Get a hygrometer and throw it in one of the jars. If the humidity goes above 60% open the jar. Repeat until you get a steady 60%. (Some people prefer 50%). That's what I do and it turns out pretty awesome.

In regards to flushing...are you using soil? If so I have never even once grown with soil/soilless mix so flushing could be a whole nother story. In hydro, flushing really seems to improve taste but that's just my opinion.

grimzuchini said:

In regards to flushing...are you using soil? If so I have never even once grown with soil/soilless mix so flushing could be a whole nother story. In hydro, flushing really seems to improve taste but that's just my opinion.

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Oh boy,,,,lets use some science here.
I never flush either one!!!

If in soil, and you even bother to "water it out" for the last week. You still have available nutrition in that soil for the plant to continue to feed from....
If in hydro, and you take away all nutrition for the last 2 weeks (I say 2 weeks because that's what most nutrient makers list as "the flush") and only run pH'ed water. You have removed all nutrition from the plant in it's most important time of the bulking phase!
The last 2 weeks is when your plant will ad most of it's bulk or get bigger and more dense as opposed to being lighter and more airy.
Taking away all nutrition to the plant during this is good? Why? You have NOT gained anything. In fact, I'll bet your bud is not as solid or as big as those fed to the end....

By drying and curing properly - like this;

Drying area temp at 70F and as close to 50% RH as possible. (mine is steady)
Dry by trays or by hanging - does not matter witch and makes no difference in quality - until stems "crack" and not bend (around 2 weeks)
Place into your Mason jars and seal finger tight - don't use "muscle" to tighten.
Open jars once a day by cracking open and removing lid for 3-5 min. Do this every day for at least 2 weeks. (I like mine better at 3 weeks before I test it)
At the end of this "2 weeks" roll one or smoke a bowl. Did it burn evenly and taste smooth, not harsh? Was the ash light gray or white? If yes, your done! if not, continue another week and try again. Continue this method until it's done.

You will not taste anything that you should not. It will burn even and have a nice light gray to white ash!

Now that you know,,,,,,go forth and cure like a pro!

grow/smoke happy

Doc

weednurd420 said:

I don't flush unless it is for salt build up .. I just give last feeding before harvest is all i do I water as normally would.. and im just going to stick her in my bath room before i go to bed and when i get up i will take her down... I like to do the trim after drying but I dont want to dry trim its a bitch, also if my buds dry in 3 days will they cure good as long as i dont let them dry out all the way before putting them in jars

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3 days ?!?!?!?! Too fast! See above!

The dry is part of the cure. Slow and steady !

Dr. Who said:

Oh boy,,,,lets use some science here.
I never flush either one!!!

If in soil, and you even bother to "water it out" for the last week. You still have available nutrition in that soil for the plant to continue to feed from....
If in hydro, and you take away all nutrition for the last 2 weeks (I say 2 weeks because that's what most nutrient makers list as "the flush") and only run pH'ed water. You have removed all nutrition from the plant in it's most important time of the bulking phase!
The last 2 weeks is when your plant will ad most of it's bulk or get bigger and more dense as opposed to being lighter and more airy.
Taking away all nutrition to the plant during this is good? Why? You have NOT gained anything. In fact, I'll bet your bud is not as solid or as big as those fed to the end....

By drying and curing properly - like this;

Drying area temp at 70F and as close to 50% RH as possible. (mine is steady)
Dry by trays or by hanging - does not matter witch and makes no difference in quality - until stems "crack" and not bend (around 2 weeks)
Place into your Mason jars and seal finger tight - don't use "muscle" to tighten.
Open jars once a day by cracking open and removing lid for 3-5 min. Do this every day for at least 2 weeks. (I like mine better at 3 weeks before I test it)
At the end of this "2 weeks" roll one or smoke a bowl. Did it burn evenly and taste smooth, not harsh? Was the ash light gray or white? If yes, your done! if not, continue another week and try again. Continue this method until it's done.

You will not taste anything that you should not. It will burn even and have a nice light gray to white ash!

Now that you know,,,,,,go forth and cure like a pro!

grow/smoke happy

Doc

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We pretty much agree with the curing and drying process. Looks like you prefer getting the humidity in the jars to 50% which is why I said some prefer it that way. But with the flush I still see a difference. And if you notice, I didn't say anything about 2 weeks flush (I agree. It's wayyyy too long) but I do think anywhere from 3-5 days flush cleans out all the salt build up in the plant. I make sure to only do this once the plant is done (I keep in flower with the nutes going strong for 10 weeks (some people say to only go 8 weeks but I noticed my buds get nice and fat if I let them go longer to 10 weeks). After 10 weeks they are about as far as they are going to get. The flush just ensures the salts are out and then I give the dry and cure you were talking about (I agree it's really important). I have done it with the flush and without and I have just found from my experience that the taste really is better. I can't say for sure, but I almost wanna say there are more trichs too but that's probably a result of me bringing the temps down a bit and lowering the humidity in the room for the last two weeks (anywhere from 35% to 45%) all in all I still see it as a personal preference.

Oh and yeah that makes sense on How flushing soil doesn't make sense. I just have never even tried growing with soil so I clearly don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to soil.

grimzuchini said:

In regards to flushing...are you using soil? If so I have never even once grown with soil/soilless mix so flushing could be a whole nother story. In hydro, flushing really seems to improve taste but that's just my opinion.

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I use soil but I don't flush it I give last feeding then let her go in just water for 2 weeks, i have smoked flushed weed or weed that has been watered with out nutrients and there was no black ash and the taste was the same but i like to make sure

Dr. Who said:

3 days ?!?!?!?! Too fast! See above!

The dry is part of the cure. Slow and steady !

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yea i know i hve build a box that i can control the rh and temp

grimzuchini said:

We pretty much agree with the curing and drying process. Looks like you prefer getting the humidity in the jars to 50% which is why I said some prefer it that way. But with the flush I still see a difference. And if you notice, I didn't say anything about 2 weeks flush (I agree. It's wayyyy too long) but I do think anywhere from 3-5 days flush cleans out all the salt build up in the plant. I make sure to only do this once the plant is done (I keep in flower with the nutes going strong for 10 weeks (some people say to only go 8 weeks but I noticed my buds get nice and fat if I let them go longer to 10 weeks). After 10 weeks they are about as far as they are going to get. The flush just ensures the salts are out and then I give the dry and cure you were talking about (I agree it's really important). I have done it with the flush and without and I have just found from my experience that the taste really is better. I can't say for sure, but I almost wanna say there are more trichs too but that's probably a result of me bringing the temps down a bit and lowering the humidity in the room for the last two weeks (anywhere from 35% to 45%) all in all I still see it as a personal preference.

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yea i like 62 rh, i use the humidity packs after curing I just want to do it all right thise time but i still want the 62 % humidity in the end

grimzuchini said:

We pretty much agree with the curing and drying process. Looks like you prefer getting the humidity in the jars to 50% which is why I said some prefer it that way. But with the flush I still see a difference. And if you notice, I didn't say anything about 2 weeks flush (I agree. It's wayyyy too long) but I do think anywhere from 3-5 days flush cleans out all the salt build up in the plant. I make sure to only do this once the plant is done (I keep in flower with the nutes going strong for 10 weeks (some people say to only go 8 weeks but I noticed my buds get nice and fat if I let them go longer to 10 weeks). After 10 weeks they are about as far as they are going to get. The flush just ensures the salts are out and then I give the dry and cure you were talking about (I agree it's really important). I have done it with the flush and without and I have just found from my experience that the taste really is better. I can't say for sure, but I almost wanna say there are more trichs too but that's probably a result of me bringing the temps down a bit and lowering the humidity in the room for the last two weeks (anywhere from 35% to 45%) all in all I still see it as a personal preference.

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Hydro guys,,,,sheesh..

When you run hydro.....you expand your buds and the trichomes don't increase with that size change. Your getting more plant matter and not more meds. You are correct in that you are increasing your trich's by temp and humidity......You can do that with UVB / S and Mg and the use of Co2 in bloom...

Any strain's run time should be 1-2 more weeks then listed in the breeder reports. Nice to see someone figure that out on their own and not come in here and ask why they don't look done at 8....(I don't have amber tric's) Hmm, I must be feeling grumpy today - no offence!

Now for the biggie......Glad you feel that your product tastes better with a flush.....In the world of advertising and psychology working together. They have found that our brains, when posed with the question - "Is something different about this one from that one". Our brains find a difference. Even when one does not exist (Fact being that each sample was the same).

I therefor submit that you were predisposed to find that your "flushed" product tasted better!

Another factor that points to my position is that in hydro it takes 3-5 days for anything to be exchanged to make any difference in the plant.....Not to mention that it is not "salts" in the sense your thinking that would be removed....

I love cigars, ok......I have toured cigar tobacco growers and their curing facilities in the Dominican Republic, Spain, Cuba and the US......Guess what? NONE of them "flush" anything! When asked about this idea (Yes I did ask this in the Dominican). They respond with "I don't know or understand what you are asking! You would only hurt the crop! The key to the perfect smoke is to properly cure the tobacco!" In fact this thread has made me decide witch cigar it will be this mourning.....A limited release, 15 year old cured tobacco, hand rolled, special reserve Gurkha ! Cuban Cohiba's for the fight tonight.

How sweet it is....

It's all in the cure baby, all in the cure!

Doc

Dr. Who said:

Oh boy,,,,lets use some science here.
I never flush either one!!!

If in soil, and you even bother to "water it out" for the last week. You still have available nutrition in that soil for the plant to continue to feed from....
If in hydro, and you take away all nutrition for the last 2 weeks (I say 2 weeks because that's what most nutrient makers list as "the flush") and only run pH'ed water. You have removed all nutrition from the plant in it's most important time of the bulking phase!
The last 2 weeks is when your plant will ad most of it's bulk or get bigger and more dense as opposed to being lighter and more airy.
Taking away all nutrition to the plant during this is good? Why? You have NOT gained anything. In fact, I'll bet your bud is not as solid or as big as those fed to the end....

By drying and curing properly - like this;

Drying area temp at 70F and as close to 50% RH as possible. (mine is steady)
Dry by trays or by hanging - does not matter witch and makes no difference in quality - until stems "crack" and not bend (around 2 weeks)
Place into your Mason jars and seal finger tight - don't use "muscle" to tighten.
Open jars once a day by cracking open and removing lid for 3-5 min. Do this every day for at least 2 weeks. (I like mine better at 3 weeks before I test it)
At the end of this "2 weeks" roll one or smoke a bowl. Did it burn evenly and taste smooth, not harsh? Was the ash light gray or white? If yes, your done! if not, continue another week and try again. Continue this method until it's done.

You will not taste anything that you should not. It will burn even and have a nice light gray to white ash!

Now that you know,,,,,,go forth and cure like a pro!

grow/smoke happy

Doc

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the 2nd week from harvest plumps, the last week is when things slow down a lot.

As far as science goes....

Studies have proven the lower the Nitrogen in soil at harvest, the higher the THC percentage.
They use this in hemp. They add nitrogen at the end of flower to LOWER thc percentage.

I had a professor that told me to always question the source of any information you receive. I would be curious to see which studies you are referring to.

I would like to read those too.