LED light height and intensity???!

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Question about how high to have led light and intensity. Currently about 18” above plants and they are happy and thriving with no signs of stress. Light is an AC Infinity EVO4 in a 3x3. The manufacturer is off on height and intensity. For instance they reccomend 40% for seedling and that was way too intense. They really liked 20% intensity. As I I have have really been cautious upping intensity. I am now up to 50% vegged about a month and a half. Considering bumping up to 70% and flowering now. Do you think keeping light at 18” over tops is close enough to flower and keep raising intensity slowly, week by week? Or should I shoot for a lower height in flower like 13-12”?
 
From the perspective of the plant, there's no need to do that.

Growers are, overall, scared that they'll hurt their plants by giving them too much light and, as a result, don't get the most from the plants. It's almost impossible to harm a cannabis plant when using an LED. I have seen it done, once here on RIU.

Having said that, I routinely give my plants a little too much light in mid-veg—after bumping up 100µmol over night, a couple of leaves started to curl up so I turned the dimmer down to its previous setting. After about an hour, the leaf uncurled and that was that. I waited until the next day and bumped the PPFD.

This is the entry from my grow journal. That was day 29 and I had to back down from 798 to 750.

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If you're at 50% at 18", you're putting only 650µmol on the plant at the center of the tent and that drops off quickly. AC Infinity is using a 9" grid for their PPFD maps vs the 6" grid used by most other companies. This overstates the values. I would argue that there's only an average of 500µmol of light in rectangle formed by those four grid squares in the center.

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Figuring out the number is "all fun and games" but, insofar as the plant is concerned, it does not matter. If you want to increase the yield of your crop, give your plants more light. Light is the only way plants can make food and your plants are nowhere near the light levels they need to reach their genetic potential.

How much light can your plants use?

They will tell you, the same way that my plants told me—if you give them too much light, the edges of some of the leaves might curl so you just turn the dimmer back down. Seeing that your plants is well established, you should be able to give it a lot more light than you're giving it now.

There is no need to increase light levels. Cannabis will grow, in ambient CO2, at light levels between ~70µmol and ~1000µmol. The only question is how big a crop you want from your plants.
 

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From the perspective of the plant, there's no need to do that.

Growers are, overall, scared that they'll hurt their plants by giving them too much light and, as a result, don't get the most from the plants. It's almost impossible to harm a cannabis plant when using an LED. I have seen it done, once here on RIU.

Having said that, I routinely give my plants a little too much light in mid-veg—after bumping up 100µmol over night, a couple of leaves started to curl up so I turned the dimmer down to its previous setting. After about an hour, the leaf uncurled and that was that. I waited until the next day and bumped the PPFD.

This is the entry from my grow journal. That was day 29 and I had to back down from 798 to 750.

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If you're at 50% at 18", you're putting only 650µmol on the plant at the center of the tent and that drops off quickly. AC Infinity is using a 9" grid for their PPFD maps vs the 6" grid used by most other companies. This overstates the values. I would argue that there's only an average of 500µmol of light in rectangle formed by those four grid squares in the center.

View attachment 5479464

Figuring out the number is "all fun and games" but, insofar as the plant is concerned, it does not matter. If you want to increase the yield of your crop, give your plants more light. Light is the only way plants can make food and your plants are nowhere near the light levels they need to reach their genetic potential.

How much light can your plants use?

They will tell you, the same way that my plants told me—if you give them too much light, the edges of some of the leaves might curl so you just turn the dimmer back down. Seeing that your plants is well established, you should be able to give it a lot more light than you're giving it now.

There is no need to increase light levels. Cannabis will grow, in ambient CO2, at light levels between ~70µmol and ~1000µmol. The only question is how big a crop you want from your plants.
Per your advise I think I’m starving them a bit of light at 50%. I am going to keep my current height and observe a day at 60% if all is well I will hold there and wait for the stretch to finish before readjuting height and intensity to 70%. Forgot to mention I also have an extra large CO2 bag above canopy.
 
Co2 bag wont do nothing unless its sealed environment by the way. For me theres no set height and ppfd, I just lower the light and brighten it or dim and raise it to back off with lighting if its clearly stressed. Different plants can have higher light saturation points than other. It does relate to VPD that it can absorb that extra light or else dimmer lighting can be better.

Id get the intensity up asap like from day one or within the first week raising intensity daily.
 
Question about how high to have led light and intensity. Currently about 18” above plants and they are happy and thriving with no signs of stress. Light is an AC Infinity EVO4 in a 3x3. The manufacturer is off on height and intensity. For instance they reccomend 40% for seedling and that was way too intense. They really liked 20% intensity. As I I have have really been cautious upping intensity. I am now up to 50% vegged about a month and a half. Considering bumping up to 70% and flowering now. Do you think keeping light at 18” over tops is close enough to flower and keep raising intensity slowly, week by week? Or should I shoot for a lower height in flower like 13-12”?

I guess it depends a bit on how many plants you have under your LEDs.
If you have only 4 plants under a 300w @50% it might be op, agreed.
What you can do is calculate how many watts a plant gets and go from there.
Put a watt-meter on your lights and dial them in this way, forget about the % knob.

Thank me l8er.

- Herby

:hump:
 
I guess it depends a bit on how many plants you have under your LEDs.
If you have only 4 plants under a 300w @50% it might be op, agreed.
What you can do is calculate how many watts a plant gets and go from there.
Put a watt-meter on your lights and dial them in this way, forget about the % knob.

Thank me l8er.

- Herby

:hump:
Only 4 5 gallon. tight but not over crowded.
 
'bout 60ish watts per plant, mbe you CAN go 75w and max out the lights, prolly depends on environment.

I aim for 6 plants in a 4x4 @ 330-380w while flowering, veg is less than half of that up to 50%.

Mostly end up squeezing 7 in there cause I don't wanna kill them off :T
 
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