LED Noobs, STOP Buying China Junk

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guod

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... Just a wiki...

Sharp is U.S. Based company.

Sharp Corporation (シャープ株式会社 Shāpu Kabushiki-gaisha?) is a Japanese multinational corporation that designs and manufactures electronic products. Headquartered in Abeno-ku, Osaka, Japan,

Cree (u.s.) Philips (u.s) and Sylvania (Germany) run the lighting world.

Koninklijke Philips N.V. (Royal Philips, commonly known as Philips) is a Dutch diversified technology company headquartered in Amsterdam with primary divisions focused in the areas of Healthcare, Consumer Lifestyle and Lighting. It was founded in Eindhoven in 1891 by Gerard Philips and his father Frederik. It is one of the largest electronics companies in the world and employs around 122,000 people across more than 60 countries.[1]

US based.....world of hyroot?

and cree...
Epistar starts shipping LED chips to Cree, say Taiwan makers

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130912PD211.html
 
mud1m

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GroErr said:
Lol, more Chinese LED bashing, it's getting really old. You must hate threads like mine :(

In every market, as it matures and volume hits a tipping point, Asian markets (aka China, Korea) will come in and start putting out volume production, cheap labour helps them, but that's changed over the last few years, it's not just sweat shops any more. They have invested heavily in capital and although not perfect, they are a force to be reckoned with. You know what you're up against when their (China's) economy is doing "bad" if they get below 8% growth (2014 target is 7.4% and they're in a "downturn"), compare that to any other country's growth expectations and you realize what we're dealing with.

They are good at copying, typically rely on volume, not innovation, but with new manufacturing investments they will improve quality, watch out. All you have to do is look at the computer and auto industry to realize they're not just a bunch of commie cheap labour shops, they either build parts or assemble huge volumes in those industries, many products for top-tier, well-known companies, with expensive brand names. Products that are consumed world-wide, not just in the US. In many cases, these very same shops are putting out their own "no-name" products, on the same production lines, side-by-side with the big brand names. This is where the opportunities lie for middle of the road, decent quality, low prices products.

I understand where a lot of the bashing comes from, particularly for those countries where their economy is struggling, and totally agree that they put out a lot of crap. But like any other growing market, there is maturation, and market drivers ($) that will weed out the crap. In between there's always some gems, at much lower prices than leading edge technology, but of reasonable quality at very reasonable prices. This builds tiers in any industry, the early adopters will typically go with leading edge, the next tier of customers will go middle of the road, and of course the bottom tier will always buy on price alone, typically the bottom of the barrel and the most vulnerable to rip-off's.

IMO "LED Noobs, BEWARE buying Chinese" would be more appropriate in the current state of the LED market. General, broad-brush painting that all Chinese LED's are crap is getting old and will be tuned out more and more as the market matures. So is the buy American quality line, get over it. If Americans ever want to get back to where they were they'll need to change their ways and adapt to a new world economy, where America is (currently) no longer the leader. That's not a bad thing, if done right American ingenuity could drive new markets/products that differentiate themselves from middle-of-the-road and low-end crap, allowing to dig yourselves out of the current situation. I'm not American bashing, I have a lot of friends there, spend a lot of time in the US on business, my siblings live there, but your attitudes and ways have to change, bashing others, while it may make you temporarily make you feel better, is going to get you further behind the 8 ball... it's a whole new world, adapt/change, or get left behind...
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hyroot

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crees headquarters are in NC but they do designing and testing in Goleta but its called Santa Barbara center. Goleta borders Santa Barbara. UCSB and CCSB a few min away.

from cree's site


Headquarters Cree, Inc.
4600 Silicon Drive
Durham, North Carolina 27703
USA
Tel: +1 919-313-5300
US toll-free: 800-533-2583 Fax: +1 919-313-5558 Directions and hotels
Cree Morrisville Cree, Inc.
635 Davis Drive, Suite 100
Morrisville, North Carolina 27560
USA
Tel: +1 919-991-0700 Directions and hotels
Cree Racine 9201 Washington Ave.
Racine, Wisconsin 53406
USA
Tel: +1 262-886-1900 Fax: +1 262-884-3388 Directions
Cree Research Triangle Park Technology Center Cree, Inc.
3028 E Cornwallis Road
Research Triangle Park, North Carolina 27709
USA
Tel: +1 919-313-5300 Fax: +1 919-313-5696 Directions and hotels
Cree Santa Barbara Technology Center Cree, Inc.
340 Storke Road
Goleta, CA 93117
USA
Tel: +1 805-968-9460
Fax: +1 805-968-9811
Directions
Cree Sweden AB Miklagårdsvägen 30
Täby 18774
Sweden
Tel: +46 70 5432844

Cree Taiwan (Cree Hong Kong Limited) 12F, No.657, Bannan Road
Zhonghe District
New Taipei City
Taiwan (R.O.C.) 235
Tel: +886-2-8024 3038 Fax: +886-2-2225 1866
Cree Shanghai Opto Development Limited 16/F, Block 1, Universal Hi-Tech Plaza
No. 958 Zhenbei Road
Shanghai, 200333
PRC
Tel: +86-21-5265 8800
Fax: +86-21-5265 8809

Cree Canada Corp. 6889 Rexwood Road, Suite 6
Mississauga, Ontario L4V 1R2
Canada
Tel: +1 905-671-1991
Canada toll-free: 800-473-1234 Fax: +1 905-671-3595
Cree China Sales Office ShenZhen (Cree Shanghai Opto Development Limited) Unit 2.3.4, 7/F, Huanggang Commercial Center
No. 2028 Jintian Road, Futian CBD
Shenzhen, 518033
China
Tel: +86 755 8282-5688 Fax: +86 755 8282-5689
Cree Europe GmbH Einsteinstrasse 12
Unterschleißheim 85716
Germany
Tel: +49 89 548 074 0 Fax: +49 89 548 074 49
Cree Europe S.r.l. Via dei Giunchi 52/54
Florence 50145
Italy
Tel: +39 055 34308 1
Direct: +39 055 34308 218
Fax: +39 055 34308 200
Cree Hong Kong Limited 6th-8th Floor, Green 18
18 Science Park East Avenue
Hong Kong Science Park , Shatin, New Territories
Hong Kong
Tel: +852 2424-8228
Fax: +852 2422-2737

Cree Japan Limited 19F, World Trade Center Bldg.
2-4-1, Hamamatsu-cho, Minato-ku
Tokyo , 105-6119
Japan
Tel: +81-3-5733-2691
Fax: +81-3-5733-2692

Cree Malaysia CPM Sdn. Bhd.
The CEO
31-15-3A, Lebuh Nipah 5, 11900 Bayan Lepas, Penang
Malaysia
Tel: +604-645 8225 Fax: +604-645 8227
 
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hyroot

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sharp has several base headquarters U.S., Europe, and Japan. Manufactured in Poland.

I never said where it was founded.

from same wiki page guod

Headquarters[edit]
22-22, Nagaike-cho, Abeno-ku, Osaka, Japan (Global)
1 Sharp Plaza Mahwah, New Jersey 07430, USA (North America)
3 Stockley Park, Uxbridge, Middlesex, UK (Europe)
Factory[edit]
Sharp Manufacturing Poland Sp. z o.o. Ostaszewo 57b 87-148 Łysomice Toruń, Poland (Europe)

wiki can be wrong from time to time. Anyone can go in and change it.
 
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mud1m

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All you fuckers arguing over this. Everything is made in China. If it was for them we wouldnt have half the shit we have. I have a 300W VIPARLED Full Spectrum. My first grow ever I got a plant looking amazing flowering... great medicine cheers.
 

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Hosebomber

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hyroot said:
go crees site. They have contact numbers and adresses for 24 offices, their main in Santa Barbara. And 12 plants each in a different country. Sharp is U.S. Based company. They do make all Sony products. They do have sweat shops in Indonesia though... I was wrong about Samsung. Samsung funds the Korean govt with bribes and what not. Cree is a publically traded company. No where near the amount of shares gm has. Cree does not have political ties like gm.

Nissan, Chevy, Toyota, BMW still use cast iron blocks. Shit my car has a cast iron block.
Ferrari, lambos take 3 weeks to be delivered
they take 7-10 months to build.. Why do you think there's a 2-3 year waiting list for brand new lambos and ferrari's. The ones you aee on th street are usually purchased as abused vehicle so they don't have to pay guzzlers tax and luxury tax. Both are around 8% each. The only thing you said was right was Samsung and Porsche having aluminum blocks (only in lower end cars like boxter)..

you must hate on me tough trollo, you went through all that just to argue and you were mostly wrong. Good job making yourself look bad.

I never ever said 300w over a 4x4. By that me and everyone else knows you are talking out your ass...I said 155w over 3 x 2.5. I was also talking shit on bml in another thread. They claim their 330w light will do a 4x4. With led its 500-600 watts for a 4x4 to match a 1000w. Area 51 or apache tech. Inda gro induction with add on led pontoon will cover a 4x4-5x5 with 460 watts. There has been a few people who have hit 1 gpw running 2 a51's at 310w total over a 4x4. That will match a 600w hps in yield.
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I don't have to trash you anymore on your comments about Cree past what Guod did... but They only have 14 offices in 10 countries (including the US). Only 2 of those offices produce diodes, 2 are research facilities, and the rest are sales and distribution offices. I've been to the Santa Barbara facility 3 times and it's actually about 10 min from UCSB.

Again you are wrong about the engines. Only old low end cars still have iron blocks. They are heavier, have lower coolant transfer rates, and cheaper to build. Every new Toyota car off the line has aluminum blocks, all high end sports cars, and pretty much anything that isn't a diesel (the higher compression needs a stronger block).

As for Sharp headquarters, their global headquarters is in Japan. Just Like Cree's is in NC. There are several international laws that require a corporate office to be located in the country (or union for most EU countries) if your business does X amount of trades, transactions, or could possibly have health and safety issues like electronics used in or near living quarters (think UL certification for water intrusion). This is so they have the ability to press civil and /or criminal charges against the company should the need arise.
 
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Back to the topic of this thread. Has anyone actually taken a Area51 light apart and verified that they are using Cree chips? I just witnessed an A51 light get rocked in a side by side with a TopLED (one of the cheapest Chinese panels) 3 watt reflector series.
 
GroErr

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Hosebomber said:
Back to the topic of this thread. Has anyone actually taken a Area51 light apart and verified that they are using Cree chips? I just witnessed an A51 light get rocked in a side by side with a TopLED (one of the cheapest Chinese panels) 3 watt reflector series.
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Was this documented/logged somewhere? Not that it makes any difference to me, I'm using those LG panels and from what I've seen this current round, they will remain in my light arsenal. But, whenever someone claims something like this, I like to see it, and see how well the side-by-side comparison was setup/managed/documented...
 
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mud1m said:
All you fuckers arguing over this. Everything is made in China. If it was for them we wouldnt have half the shit we have. I have a 300W VIPARLED Full Spectrum. My first grow ever I got a plant looking amazing flowering... great medicine cheers.
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Yes we would, at the same price? NO.........................

Hosebomber said:
Back to the topic of this thread. Has anyone actually taken a Area51 light apart and verified that they are using Cree chips? I just witnessed an A51 light get rocked in a side by side with a TopLED (one of the cheapest Chinese panels) 3 watt reflector series.
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"rocked", really??? do you have a specific link?, many factors involved in a side by side including knocking out competition with high reviews/ recommendations by growers......NOT the first time we've seen this around here.

I don't think anyone has verified the cree chips in the A51 panels,BUT It would be a HUGE business gamble by EH if they weren't, so I HIGHLY doubt it.
 
GroErr

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Yes, it was a grow journal on the 420 mag site.
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Would be great if you could provide the link, the claim seems a little out there, I think these panels are decent, but I'd be surprised if they could match an A51 or any top-tier panel in a side-by-side. I tend to be skeptical of anything that cannot be backed up by data, pics, or ideally both. I've seen threads on sites, including this one, where when you dig deeper it's being posted by someone with interests in, or representing the company in some way (e.g. freebies etc.). And, I'm a believer (of these LG panels), so you can imagine how skeptical an A51 owner would be...
 
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After looking for 10 or 15 mins, I couldn't find the one I was referring to (that forum does tend to delete threads with links to non sponsors) but I did find THIS ONE. The OP had TopLED make one of their Mars panels match the spectra of A51 for 1/3rd the price.

As for them claiming Cree chips and not using Cree chips... I recall a few years ago Cree sueing 3 or 4 panel makers for claiming their use and not actually having Cree diodes. I also remember NASA making a few remove or modify the wording of the way they used their names as well.

Edit: I was looking for Area51 comparisons here and on other sites, it seems that all of them started on this site are closed and the company states on their site they don't do comp grows.
"Q: Can you give me a free light to do a side by side or test grow with?
A: No. There is nothing that anyone can prove that's not been proven already."

That seems odd for a company that gets so much hype on this site and has a new model at least once a year.
 
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digimidgi

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mud1m said:
I have a 300W VIPARLED Full Spectrum. My first grow ever I got a plant looking amazing flowering... great medicine cheers.
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Well done! But i hope that is going to quadruple in size cos I'd want a monster plant for 300 watts!
I have 280 watts of quality light and I guestimate I'm going to yield 12 ounces on my current grow.
Show me a Chinese light around 280 watts that will do that.
 
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Running Mars II 900 watt and 1200 watt. Here's a pic of the plants from clone vegged just 19 days under the 1200 watt. I will split the 16 into 8 per tent next week and I will start a thread next week.

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The plants are almost 16" tall in 17 days from 4" clones.
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mud1m

mud1m

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digimidgi said:
Well done! But i hope that is going to quadruple in size cos I'd want a monster plant for 300 watts!
I have 280 watts of quality light and I guestimate I'm going to yield 12 ounces on my current grow.
Show me a Chinese light around 280 watts that will do that.
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12 ounces off a 300w? Hmmmm... I stopped 18/6 Veg at 31 days on my plant.. its been on 12/12 for about another 31 days.. im guessing another month and ill have about 2-3 oz. Cheers bro
 
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hyroot

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Hosebomber said:
I don't have to trash you anymore on your comments about Cree past what Guod did... but They only have 14 offices in 10 countries (including the US). Only 2 of those offices produce diodes, 2 are research facilities, and the rest are sales and distribution offices. I've been to the Santa Barbara facility 3 times and it's actually about 10 min from UCSB.

Again you are wrong about the engines. Only old low end cars still have iron blocks. They are heavier, have lower coolant transfer rates, and cheaper to build. Every new Toyota car off the line has aluminum blocks, all high end sports cars, and pretty much anything that isn't a diesel (the higher compression needs a stronger block).

As for Sharp headquarters, their global headquarters is in Japan. Just Like Cree's is in NC. There are several international laws that require a corporate office to be located in the country (or union for most EU countries) if your business does X amount of trades, transactions, or could possibly have health and safety issues like electronics used in or near living quarters (think UL certification for water intrusion). This is so they have the ability to press civil and /or criminal charges against the company should the need arise.
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any engine with turbos does not have an aluminum block. They can't handle the pressure and they end up cracking. Instead they either have a cast iron block or a magnesium block with cast iron piston liners . Just like my 09 bmw does and my x's Altima.
 
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hyroot said:
any engine with turbos does not have an aluminum block. They can't handle the pressure and they end up cracking. Instead they either have a cast iron block or a magnesium block with cast iron piston liners . Just like my 09 bmw does and my x's Altima.
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You really need to stop showing and speaking directly from your ass!

If you have a 09 BMW, like my X3 (or any 3 or 5 series) it has an N20... can be dual turbocharged and all aluminum.

Nissan Engines - The QR family of straight-4piston engines by Nissan were introduced in 2000 and range from 2.0 L to 2.5 L in displacement. These motors are aluminum, dual overhead camshaft (DOHC), four-valve designs with variable valve timing and optional direct injection.

Just admit you have no idea what you're talking about and let the big boys discuss things.
 
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