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testiclees
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Im an optic fan! Ive got one from the early days, optic 360. It's working very well. When the new v29's come out I'm gonna give it an upgrade.
Big smo
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I don't disagree. My lights burned out 31 LEDs in the first 2 weeks and now the remotes don't work.
Even though many people might doubt that statement the par readings and comparisons prove they are better than most. The lights are bright as fuck, the sun rise sunset feature, remote, adjustable spectrum, optic lense, there are a bunch of reasons people buy them including myself.
They do straight up lie when they say virtually no heat. 700watts times 3.414btu's does not equal virtually no heat. I'm sort of bent they are going back since I did have very high expectations. But I can't invest 3k into something that has a chance of fucking up again.
Billygreen
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When I ordered the at600 to use with my 4 Kind 1000s the Apache Cto went into a long story about how he has traveled to Shenzhen China to a factory where Kind lights are manufactured but not just for kind . He went on to say that this factory rebrands them for several other companies as well .
I don't know how true that was but I did do more research and there are some lights that are eerily similar to kind lol
Now I'm not saying they are shit by any means and I'm hoping they aren't since I own 4 of them as of today . The one I've been using has been on a minimum of 18 to 24 hours a day up until last week when I switched to 12/12 . I've had no issues with it at all . The plants have consistently grown like crazy with it ..but when you compare that back story to the Hand built Apache lights , that use higher quality materials and go through more than one quality check , American made , and where you can get ahold of someone if you have an issue
It adds some definite appeal over something mass produced using slave labor with less oversight and care for quality .
I haven't found one defect with kind yet and like I said I'm holding my breath hoping I haven't made a costly mistake .. But over the last week or so I've done the additional research and I see the differences and if you have the money get something that's worth it . Kind works , but it's not the best . I just wish when I first came on here the people that were bashing me and my light choice could've conveyed their opinions and facts in a more civil manner and I might have been more receptive .
I don't regret getting the kind LEDs yet and hopefully I won't but If I add more lights I'll be going with Apache . At least if you aren't happy they have a factory and warehouse / office that you could go to or ship back to if ya had to .... Be a bit harder as a disgruntled customer to go to Shenzhen China and get anything done to make shit right lol
I don't know how true that was but I did do more research and there are some lights that are eerily similar to kind lol
Now I'm not saying they are shit by any means and I'm hoping they aren't since I own 4 of them as of today . The one I've been using has been on a minimum of 18 to 24 hours a day up until last week when I switched to 12/12 . I've had no issues with it at all . The plants have consistently grown like crazy with it ..but when you compare that back story to the Hand built Apache lights , that use higher quality materials and go through more than one quality check , American made , and where you can get ahold of someone if you have an issue
It adds some definite appeal over something mass produced using slave labor with less oversight and care for quality .
I haven't found one defect with kind yet and like I said I'm holding my breath hoping I haven't made a costly mistake .. But over the last week or so I've done the additional research and I see the differences and if you have the money get something that's worth it . Kind works , but it's not the best . I just wish when I first came on here the people that were bashing me and my light choice could've conveyed their opinions and facts in a more civil manner and I might have been more receptive .
I don't regret getting the kind LEDs yet and hopefully I won't but If I add more lights I'll be going with Apache . At least if you aren't happy they have a factory and warehouse / office that you could go to or ship back to if ya had to .... Be a bit harder as a disgruntled customer to go to Shenzhen China and get anything done to make shit right lol
kachiga
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You see the Apache vs 1000w hid? Funny how it beat it on a few levels. I only looked a little bit at them.
The thing with Apache with me is its unknown for me.. You are spending top dollar on tech that's from 2013. I will be interested in your grow. Still wish you do a 1v1 though lol.
But again it's technology. Something that is always movingly forward.
Billygreen
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The par numbers on be Apache beat kind and a lot of other brands . I'm still no where close to being an expert so all I have to go on are the specs and numbers on paper .
But as of tomorrow I'll be putting At 600 into action to see first hand results .
Ideally for me the kind lights will function properly and the at600 will live up to its reputation helping me produce some deliciously potent product and good yields .
I went overboard and spent a shitload of money on lights and equipment so now I want to realize a return on my investment
but like I said before I'll be posting pics as things progress.
But as of tomorrow I'll be putting At 600 into action to see first hand results .
Ideally for me the kind lights will function properly and the at600 will live up to its reputation helping me produce some deliciously potent product and good yields .
I went overboard and spent a shitload of money on lights and equipment so now I want to realize a return on my investment
but like I said before I'll be posting pics as things progress.
Big smo
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With so many company's and so many more daily it's impossible to decide.
In reality would the 600 being a higher quality led out perform a 1000 watt with lower quality LEDs?
That's where I sort of lose it and wanted details on the reasoning behind the kind bashing.
Another reason my friend with the 4 k5's went so far is he got them on Craigslist from a guy who appeared to be pretty shady at first but kind said they would honor the 2 year warranty even being purchased someone who wasn't a dealer. That to me says something about the company. They do stand behind the products. You would just think that a company as successful as kind would go ahead and add better products. According to most here they use the cheapest of cheap. I'm sure the profit margin is huge and wouldn't hurt the company much if at all by dropping an additional 10-20% for better material. If it performs better and has fewer returns it would probably pay off in no time.
In reality would the 600 being a higher quality led out perform a 1000 watt with lower quality LEDs?
That's where I sort of lose it and wanted details on the reasoning behind the kind bashing.
Another reason my friend with the 4 k5's went so far is he got them on Craigslist from a guy who appeared to be pretty shady at first but kind said they would honor the 2 year warranty even being purchased someone who wasn't a dealer. That to me says something about the company. They do stand behind the products. You would just think that a company as successful as kind would go ahead and add better products. According to most here they use the cheapest of cheap. I'm sure the profit margin is huge and wouldn't hurt the company much if at all by dropping an additional 10-20% for better material. If it performs better and has fewer returns it would probably pay off in no time.
Billygreen
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By the way ...I forgot the guys handle already, but the one who was Insulting me and bashing me for getting kind , the guy who said I couldn't afford the at600 on my macdonalds wages lol is he still around ? I think he uses the At120 or something , I wanted to post a pic of my At600 tomorrow so he could see it .
I have to sell a lot of Big Macs to afford these damn lights lol
Actually if I worked at macdonalds more than half of my annual earnings would be spent on my lights lol . It's all good though , his insults actually inspired me to educate myself a bit more and in the end it benefits me .
So keep up the inspirational work Mr Led Troll .
Thanks ,
Billy G .
I have to sell a lot of Big Macs to afford these damn lights lol
Actually if I worked at macdonalds more than half of my annual earnings would be spent on my lights lol . It's all good though , his insults actually inspired me to educate myself a bit more and in the end it benefits me .
So keep up the inspirational work Mr Led Troll .
Thanks ,
Billy G .
Billygreen
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Kind is still ok with me , until their product fails me all I can say is their lights definitely can grow some Fn plants
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Jungle1234
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Billygreen
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Got the AT600 today via UPS and guess what ? I was all fucking stoked about trying it out and it's smashed in the damn corner and one of the fans is broken .
It's obviously shipping damage , I called Apache Tech and I'm waiting on a call back to resolve this.
I did flip it on briefly and I have to say it's like the Sun Shining at its brightest .
Customer service is a big part of Brand value and this is the First test I suppose . If Apache handles this right they will have a customer that keeps coming back and if not it will diminish the obvious value of their product
SSGrower
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Go through ups too, its their fault. But agreed if the mfg. steps up plus one for them!
The one and only minor issue I have with the AT600 is the size\weight of a single unit. it would be so much easier to handle if it were broken out into two units. Same issue with illumitex.
Organja
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As the original creator of this thread, I have to say I am proud it is pinned, and it has lots of valuable info within it!
People have stayed pretty darn respectful, and there hasn't been a lot of flaming and bashing.
This is the users of LED uniting, we aren't competing with one another! We all share a similar goal! Keep rocking this thread everyone!!!!
I am about to pull out my lumigrow Es-330S I'll get some images when they happens!
People have stayed pretty darn respectful, and there hasn't been a lot of flaming and bashing.
This is the users of LED uniting, we aren't competing with one another! We all share a similar goal! Keep rocking this thread everyone!!!!
I am about to pull out my lumigrow Es-330S I'll get some images when they happens!
SoOLED
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for such a crappy light they have a sick factory: tour starts are 10:54
her voice is strangely melodic as well. she talks about all their failures and problems, something I don't think most companies would do.
not saying they are the best, but they are getting closer.
her voice is strangely melodic as well. she talks about all their failures and problems, something I don't think most companies would do.
not saying they are the best, but they are getting closer.
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Billygreen
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Well I'm still pissed at UPS but Apache is responsive and working to get me another light . So far so good . This broken fixture ships back tomorrow morning and they are working to ship me out another within a day or so .
Other than the damage the light is pretty damn amazing compared to the other LEDs
When I turned this thing on it was like nothing I've seen in the form a a grow light .
At full blast My kind xl1000 doesn't even hold a candle to the brightneness of this thing . Seeing it shine made me want to order 3 more lol but I gotta make some money back before that happens .
Other than the damage the light is pretty damn amazing compared to the other LEDs
When I turned this thing on it was like nothing I've seen in the form a a grow light .
At full blast My kind xl1000 doesn't even hold a candle to the brightneness of this thing . Seeing it shine made me want to order 3 more lol but I gotta make some money back before that happens .
SoOLED
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do you have a picture of the packaging the AT was in? just curious.