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Illumination said:
leds suck....period
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hahahah you know what suck is your shitty MH and cfl's puttin out buds i wouldnt smoke through my ass those things are stragly as fuck bro check yourself before you start bashin on no basis.not to mention your grow journals seem to have more posts of fuckig music videos than of your scraggly ass grow.
 
curly604

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curly604 said:
hahahah you know what suck is your shitty MH and cfl's puttin out buds i wouldnt smoke through my ass those things are stragly as fuck bro check yourself before you start bashin on no basis.not to mention your grow journals seem to have more posts of fuckig music videos than of your scraggly ass grow.
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finally got to the end of your long ass pointless journal and the last girls ya grew looked a little better ill give ya that but that lsd looked like ditch weed.
 
BlackMesa

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Bad Karma said:
Wow, you get tired from not making sense?
Anybody else reading this notice how I answer his questions and allegations, then he changes the argument in his next post and never actually responds to what I've stated?
It's a genius strategy really, one made famous by George W. Bush, so you're in good company there buddy.
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No I got tired because it was 3 in the morning, your just trying to be a smart ass that's extra argumentative. I never changed my argument, same theme which is get use to the standard that seems to be the norm. Do you want me to argue with you for the sake of having a argument? I have a wife already and get enough of that. :P OK...hell, why not.

Now if you'd done your beloved research you'd know that the Spectra website is out of date, as made public many times by Mike the owner, in this thread even.
But let's use your flawed example, complaining that an advertised 300W light only pulls 290W in actuality.
Now let's compare against an "industry standard" like a Blackstar 240W that only pulls 140W in actuality.
A 10W difference and a 100W difference, hmmmmm.
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A consumer would then have to do research to figure out that the information presented to them on the product page is in correct, therefore you made my argument for me. Consumer's need to research a panel before they buy it and can't depend on the information they are presented by the company. Next you seem to be leaning torwards: If the mis information is only slightly off then it's A-OK, You can't have a double standard and need to pick one and stick with it unless your argument is that it ok to miss inform as long as it's only a little bit of mis information.

Hydroponics Hut Pro-Grow 260 is never once referred to as a 260W light on their website (260 is the model #), and like you said, they list it at an honest 170W.
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After looking into this panel it appears that the company at one time had a "W" after 260 but they dropped it. I'm trying to figure out if the "260" in the model number pertains to the diode's but can't find out how many diodes the panel has and at how many watts each diode runs at.

As for ProSource, I own 6 of their 180W Jumbo Illuminators (which their website claims is equivalent to a 600W HID).
I have 4 hanging in my 4x4 flowering tent, one over each large plant.
Those plants end up looking like they were grown under a 400 to 600 watt HID light by harvest.
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Sorry but "Any" 180 watt LED panel doesn't equal a 600w HID, This is a shity argument and just because your 1 plant grows well directly under your panel doesn't even remotely have comparison to the coverage of a 600W HID, I would predict 2 of the panels working together would have similar performance but your 1 panel is not a 600 watt replacement... And you know this, I hope. :P

Now, I replied to all your arguments without talking about your avatar, comparing you to other people and being a cock smack in general.
 
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Are people on here using kilowatt testers to test watts?? I have spoken to people who know electronics but do not know LED grow lights regarding this and have been told there is very little accuracy when using kilowatt testers. I spoke to them about LED lights as a whole and not specifically grow lights and what I was told is the larger draw in watts increases the accuracy when moving closer to a kilowatt with kilowatt testers but on anything under 500w is pointless to use these meters on. Don't expect to get an actual draw. This is a quote "what is the point of testing watts when it clearly draws under 200w?? Who even does this?" Far as he knows there is not even a widespread need for devices that accurately test watts because it's so minimal. Kilowatt testers are used to test heavy duty appliances that draw kilowatts not watts. Get an amp tester and see if the amps are rated correctly. If so multiply amps with volts and you get watts. A x V = W and Three different kilowatt testers and the key word here is "kilowatt" will give you a range of different answers on lower watt devices. One guy I spoke to who builds his own really sic guitar pedals brought up a key point of resistance. "Many electronic devices draw increased levels as they warm up and resistance decreases." and asked me to think about it in terms of tube amps that open up as they warm up, or analog pedals that have to be "iced down" with dry ice to decrease the resistance. This "closes" them up after they've heated up so much. Sure we are talking about something different here and a much newer technology where resistance levels remain more constant but as the LED units heat up the resistance will likely decrease. I think that if you are using a kilowatt tester and you get 144 w on a device that claims to be 170, in terms of a 1w-1000w scale that "kilowatt" testers are made to test. 144 is actually pretty accurate. 170 w is only 17% of 1000w and 144 is 14.5% of 1000 so what you are talking about is a 2.5% difference that will likely decrease if you test your device after 12 hours of use rather than the first 5 minutes. I could be way off base here but what if discrepancy in the accuracy of your watt tester?? How scientific is it to just test the accuracy of your lights wattage and not the accuracy of the wattage tester?? Take a t.v. and see how many watts it claims to be. Mine is labeled on the back. Test the t.v. and see what you get. I find it odd that ALL these lights have incorrectly labeled there wattage and seriously doubt that it's a conspiracy to sell LED lights. None of these companies are getting together with each other to deceive LED users, but yet this is a widespread issue so there HAS to be another explanation.
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Great hypothesis:eyesmoke::weed:
 
Bad Karma

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BlackMesa said:
No I got tired because it was 3 in the morning, your just trying to be a smart ass that's extra argumentative. I never changed my argument, same theme which is get use to the standard that seems to be the norm. Do you want me to argue with you for the sake of having a argument? I have a wife already and get enough of that. :P OK...hell, why not.



A consumer would then have to do research to figure out that the information presented to them on the product page is in correct, therefore you made my argument for me. Consumer's need to research a panel before they buy it and can't depend on the information they are presented by the company. Next you seem to be leaning torwards: If the mis information is only slightly off then it's A-OK, You can't have a double standard and need to pick one and stick with it unless your argument is that it ok to miss inform as long as it's only a little bit of mis information.



After looking into this panel it appears that the company at one time had a "W" after 260 but they dropped it. I'm trying to figure out if the "260" in the model number pertains to the diode's but can't find out how many diodes the panel has and at how many watts each diode runs at.



Sorry but "Any" 180 watt LED panel doesn't equal a 600w HID, This is a shity argument and just because your 1 plant grows well directly under your panel doesn't even remotely have comparison to the coverage of a 600W HID, I would predict 2 of the panels working together would have similar performance but your 1 panel is not a 600 watt replacement... And you know this, I hope. :P

Now, I replied to all your arguments without talking about your avatar, comparing you to other people and being a cock smack in general.
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There was no double standard on research, I was just using the flawed example you provided, remember?
You stated the "it says 300W and then says 290W on the website", so I was using what you gave me.
And what you provided was drivel at best.

As for the "well, it used to have a W on there, they got rid of it at some point" argument you make against Hydroponics Hut is extremely compelling.
Now to quote Borat, "Not!"

As for the 180W ProSource comparing to a 600W HID, when did I say anything about coverage area?
Wait, I didn't, and neither did you (somebody's changing the argument again, let your wife read this and ask her who she thinks that is).
I said the end results look similar to and feasible for what is described and provided proof via picture.
No shit a 180W light doesn't have the same footprint as a 600W light, and ProSource has never advertised or stated that it does (me neither).
And here I thought you were so big on research sir.
Anyways, give the Mrs. a kiss from me and have another beer.
 
bmf725

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I just love how some people on here are basing there opinions about diffrent led's/led manufactures from other peoples journals. It's all just talk and opinion not fact. just cuz one guy grew great or shitty bud with one light dosent mean that it is FACT that light sucks or rocks.Get what im saying most of this shit is just bullshit speculation and no real world experiences with actual FACT!
 
BlackMesa

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There was no double standard on research, I was just using the flawed example you provided, remember?
You stated the "it says 300W and then says 290W on the website", so I was using what you gave me.
And what you provided was drivel at best.
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I was getting more in the realm that you were making it sound like misinforming 10 watts of wattage was ok or better then misinforming 100 watts, either not labeling actual wattage is OK with you or it's not...there shouldn't be a middle ground (at least in our argument).

As for the "well, it used to have a W on there, they got rid of it at some point" argument you make against Hydroponics Hut is extremely compelling.
Now to quote Borat, "Not!"
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This is what I came away with from using Google on these panels, that and there are plenty of posts scattered on forums where people assume that the model number pertains to wattage but not the actual wattage. I am not making an argument with the "W" being on the model number at one point. I said this is what came up when I web searched them shits! Sleeve of wizard?

As for the 180W ProSource comparing to a 600W HID, when did I say anything about coverage area?
Wait, I didn't, and neither did you (somebody's changing the argument again, let your wife read this and ask her who she thinks that is).
I said the end results look similar to and feasible for what is described and provided proof via picture.
No shit a 180W light doesn't have the same footprint as a 600W light, and ProSource has never advertised or stated that it does (me neither).
And here I thought you were so big on research sir.
Anyways, give the Mrs. a kiss from me and have another beer
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Fair enough, you didn't say your panel was equal to a 600w HID but the website does and that's what I originally quoted. That website mentions yield and them directly jumps to compairing that 180W panel to a 600W HID (marketing magic). I posted the quote because I wanted to point out that every LED company has some marketing trick or tactic to sell it's panel. I see this is just back and forth and nothing positive in coming from this that will do anyone any good. I posted something you didn't agree with and it produced nothing of value. I realize that arguing with you isn't doing anything positive for this thread so I'm done and will focus more on positive aspect of all LED panels in general...Except for Magnum LED's!!! No one should support this insane corrupt company and it's army of fake thread posters, forums, websites and grow journals.... but that story is for another day. :P
 
BlackMesa

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bmf725 said:
I just love how some people on here are basing there opinions about diffrent led's/led manufactures from other peoples journals. It's all just talk and opinion not fact. just cuz one guy grew great or shitty bud with one light dosent mean that it is FACT that light sucks or rocks.Get what im saying most of this shit is just bullshit speculation and no real world experiences with actual FACT!
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This is true but to be honest, this is all we have to go by as grow data right now. I am totally aware that for any of the data to be an actual fact to me that I would have to be the one growing to rule out a Gah-billion things. HID users have it easy and basically have their light data handed out by the masses based on the wattage and type of the light but us LED crowd have light data split up a billion ways based on diode size, wattage, diode brand, panel brand, light foot print, spectrum's etc.... It's never ending. :P
 
Bad Karma

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Thank you for coming to your senses Mesa.
As for the 10W & 100W argument, no, there is no room for misleading.
But GLH isn't misleading, as there is no 300W to 290W difference.
There is only a 290W light (which is actually the upgraded version of their 180W from last year), which draws 290W's.
The 300W one hasn't been produced in awhile, and as previously stated, their website is terribly out of date.
Mike really needs to get on top of that before it becomes a real problem for him.
 
BlackMesa

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Yeah there seem to be a whole lot of LED company's that fail to keep their websites updated almost as if that's the least important way of selling their panels. I see Amazon and Ebay seem to be very strong channels these days which is understandable because you have protections on your purchases but then again in this day and age I believe every thing you buy is protected and insured by your bank and or credit card company.
 
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    Originally Posted by willy wonka
    why is there so much controversy about the magnums on thc farmer where your thread is posted. And your also taking alot of heat on RIU. It definitely shows your grows in a different light for sure. I just hope we are not all gettn hose on here. The legitimacy of this grow is being questioned for sure..... Im still hanging in there to see the final results for sure. I can say im not to happy with my magnum right now.



    Simply because they are the best LED grow light on the market and paid growers (irishboy) and forum owners (logic) and the mods that work for them are trying to protect their advertising profits and will jump at any chance to try and discredit that. My grows are 100% legit and anyone who thinks differently can suck my cock!

    I can tell you for a fact that the naysayers in this forum are related to the above so I would use your own judgement.​


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  • 07-29-2011 09:13 PM #252
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    Originally Posted by LED Bud Guy
    Simply because they are the best LED grow light on the market and paid growers (irishboy) and forum owners (logic) and the mods that work for them are trying to protect their advertising profits and will jump at any chance to try and discredit that. My grows are 100% legit and anyone who thinks differently can suck my cock!

    I can tell you for a fact that the naysayers in this forum are related to the above so I would use your own judgement.



    I agree with LBG. From what I've seen in journals, the Magnums are the best LED light. I'm using my two lights and I really want to see the results and I know I won't be disappointed. It makes sense that other LED makers and other people who are in favor of other companies try to put down the magnums...but really, you can't ignore the results. LBG's grow looks amazing; dunit's grow went well his second time and others on this forum are doing amazing jobs as well.​


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  • 07-29-2011 09:14 PM #253
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    Originally Posted by W3SL3Y
    Well controversy aside, I am using a single Magnum and am about a week or 2 away from Harvest and I can tell you these lights work just fine. Are they the best of LED lights out there? I don't know as I have not used any other brands. I know these lights are serving their purpose for me and looks like I will have a pretty decent first Harvest here and I had a lot holding me back from optimal conditions to start out.

    My next run will be a SCROG and I anticipate even better results with half as many plants.

    I went with Magnum because the distributor is Canadian and because the results I saw from Dunit were impressive. All the other hoopla means nothing to me really. I can also say that one of the fans on my unit did not work when the unit arrived and Dave quickly had a replacement fan sent to me which tells me they stand behind their Warranty.

    I will be in the market for a second LED unit in the next little while and wouldn't hesitate to grab another Magnum........well actually I would cause I am still curious about the new Models Pricing.

    If any other Manufacturers wish to dispute the effectiveness of the Magnum, please feel free to send me your equivalent unit and I would be happy to run an unbias Head to Head Journal.



    Tell them like it is! But you'd better watch out or the next thing you know all of the trolls will be outing you as a co-conspirator... lmfao!​


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  • 07-29-2011 09:16 PM #254
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    Originally Posted by LED Bud Guy
    Tell them like it is! But you'd better watch out or the next thing you know all of the trolls will be outing you as a co-conspirator... lmfao!



    Yeah, they probably won't like the truth if it means it puts their LED panel down.


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  • 07-29-2011 09:29 PM #255
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    Originally Posted by omdogg
    I agree with LBG. From what I've seen in journals, the Magnums are the best LED light. I'm using my two lights and I really want to see the results and I know I won't be disappointed. It makes sense that other LED makers and other people who are in favor of other companies try to put down the magnums...but really, you can't ignore the results. LBG's grow looks amazing; dunit's grow went well his second time and others on this forum are doing amazing jobs as well.



    The problem is simple. Irishboy is a PAID grower for spectra so as far as I'm concerned he is the owner of the company and anything he posts is biased. He came in here and tried to spew his bullshit conspiracy theory and I banned him because of that! Spectra / irishboy are dumb as fuck to go and invest all of that effort into developing the irishboy persona and not buy the domains. I mean really, it was only a matter of time before someone with half a brain figured that one out! I think that it's a good thing and a fair lesson to the general public not to trust paid growers like irishboy and to avoid forums that are in bed with advertisers like THC farmer. I mean really, look at logics bullshit story that he got robbed and cant pay the seed comapnies he owes money to and then cries to his members for handouts to cover his herion addiction or whatever he blew the cash on... give me a fucking break!​


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  • 07-29-2011 09:33 PM #256
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    Originally Posted by gassy mcgee
    Hey guys,
    A lot of stuff was deleted by led bud guy, so I'll try to break down what I've seen happen so you can make your own decisions.

    I don't believe that most people have a gripe with the lights, just with the way they are deceitfully being marketed. I think the lights do work, but it's hard to like them when the company is doing such underhanded things in order to get the word out.

    For instance, this forum is owned by grow perfect, yet they deceived everyone into thinking this was an impartial forum. Then they had the nerve to make this site- www.irishboyled.com , where they blatantly plagiarized another grower's online persona, by marketing led bud guys grow as a grow done by irishboy (who does not use magnums). Both of these websites are owned by grow perfect. Either way you look at it, the company is deceitful.

    That having been said, I still believe dunit's journals and do think these lights work. Unfortunately the way the the company has behaved will keep me from ever making a purchase from them.



    There is no deciet in the marketing what so ever. If magnum bought the irish url good for them, it's funny as fuck if you ask me that a paid grower on spectras payroll didn't cover his ass in that respect. AND what I deleted was a bunch of bullshit that has absolutely nothing to do with the general content of MY forum!​


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  • 07-29-2011 09:37 PM #257
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    Originally Posted by willy wonka
    why is there so much controversy about the magnums on thc farmer where your thread is posted. And your also taking alot of heat on RIU. It definitely shows your grows in a different light for sure. I just hope we are not all gettn hose on here. The legitimacy of this grow is being questioned for sure..... Im still hanging in there to see the final results for sure. I can say im not to happy with my magnum right now.



    My grows are 100% legit dude!​


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  • Yesterday 12:59 AM #258
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    Originally Posted by LED Bud Guy
    My grows are 100% legit dude!



    Hey LBG, relax brother. I know your grows are legit and don't let others bother you
    Just keep going at it how you are and people can say whatever they want, but ultimately you have the best results...so...​


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  • Yesterday 01:42 AM #259
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    Originally Posted by LED Bud Guy
    Tell them like it is! But you'd better watch out or the next thing you know all of the trolls will be outing you as a co-conspirator... lmfao!



    Haha they can say what they will. I post to contribute information to a new and growing community and for no other reason but. Like all information out there you can take it or leave it. All I know is while some people will sit their staring at their computer screen scratching their head trying to figure out Conspiracy from Facts and giving themselves a headache I will be harvesting and and enjoying myself.

    Time to eat a McGangBang​




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  • Today 10:00 AM #260
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    quick question

    Hey ledbudguy,
    On the low and high end. How much do you expect to yield?​




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Yeah there seem to be a whole lot of LED company's that fail to keep their websites updated almost as if that's the least important way of selling their panels.

I think the problem is you have several half assed people that know nothing about running a business and saw an opportunity to drop ship from china and becoming a middle man . These people all most likely have their "real jobs" and play business owner on the side. If you had people banging down your door for your products wouldnt you invest the time to make your company the best it could be? ( updated bad ass website, make sure emails and calls are returned within the day, not some time in the next week , ect ect.)..

I tried to give my business to one of the companies and after having what could have been 30 minutes of emailing back and forth to answer my questions/concerns was drawn out over 4 weeks from lack of response time I said fuck it and went with another company.
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Vaporeyes said:
BlackMesa said:
Yeah there seem to be a whole lot of LED company's that fail to keep their websites updated almost as if that's the least important way of selling their panels.

I think the problem is you have several half assed people that know nothing about running a business and saw an opportunity to drop ship from china and becoming a middle man . These people all most likely have their "real jobs" and play business owner on the side. If you had people banging down your door for your products wouldnt you invest the time to make your company the best it could be? ( updated bad ass website, make sure emails and calls are returned within the day, not some time in the next week , ect ect.)..

I tried to give my business to one of the companies and after having what could have been 30 minutes of emailing back and forth to answer my questions/concerns was drawn out over 4 weeks from lack of response time I said fuck it and went with another company.
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I agree with this considering almost every company does 99% of their business via online...
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