LED Without LEDs -My First T5 Grow

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pedro420

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yes im much happier now would have been back earlier but im running into a lil bit of an issue sfarting my garden

see ive got my new light (t5 four foot four bulb ) just useing the h-o grow and bloom mixed spectrum for veg then going to ude all bloom for flowering or i just mite keep it mixed havent decided yet ive got all i need to get started but the most important thing my tent

so therefore im trying to start my babies in the bottom of my closet under all my clothes hanging the light from the bar inbetween cloths lol i know it sounds realy ghetto but it should be ok sence its only gonna veg there untill i got my tent hopefully thats soone the company said they was on back order but i called yesterday and they said the just got them and he wss sending shipping a email to give them the go ahead but i yet to get a email saying its been shipped

but quick question this will be my firt time useing cups to start due to hight restrictions
what would be a good mix of soil and perlite im thinkin like half and half if it helps im goin to be starting directly in sooil
 
Undercover Cop

Undercover Cop

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mipainpatient said:
dude I saw that on their site.... (the ultras)
have you emailed them yet?
I had a couple beers and I don't think I should for a while at least.
That graph is interesting ((((perhaps a rearrangment of light waves to show some kind of particular molecular effect? as the sun graph shows, there is kind of a banding of light which has certain absorption properties, the graph I'm looking for ties it all together)))), let me try to find the one my PAR-prof (not the prof here AFAIK) showed me...
(this isn't it but holy crap does it look fun, wish I didn't have to pay to find out how useful it is but maybe worth it even if mostly bust)
http://unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=28_49&products_id=398

(damn this is fun too)
"Electromagnetic radiation is often described by its frequency—the number of oscillations of the perpendicular electric and magnetic fields per second—expressed in hertz.Radio frequency radiation is usually measured in kilohertz, megahertz, or gigahertz; this is why radio dials are commonly labeled with kHz, MHz, and GHz. Light is electromagnetic radiation that is even higher in frequency, and has frequencies in the range of tens (infrared) to thousands (ultraviolet) of terahertz." (wiki on EMrad)
so our blue/low nm has more energy in it if the "light output" in photons is the same. Booya, blue light is the more efficient transfer for t5, since you are starting with UV from the internal plasma anyways.
Sorry if this is 100% greek, I'm beyond translating at this point.
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p.s. no luck on the prof graph, i know its in the txtbook, maybe its copyright protected and not on net? will see
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damn lol, too much to smoke and too hungry rite now to make much sense of that right now lol!, but the graph I showed had curiously re-arranged the reds and greens... instead of VIBGYOR (violet indigo blue green yellow orange red) it went BIVROYG (blue indigo violet red orange yellow green) lol! and apparently green is 740-790nm! :)
 
mipainpatient

mipainpatient

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pedro420 said:
but quick question this will be my firt time useing cups to start due to hight restrictions
what would be a good mix of soil and perlite im thinkin like half and half if it helps im goin to be starting directly in sooil
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Sure, 50% perlite might be a bit much (most mixes I see are 20-40%, but if you have an enclosed side container (opposite of an airpot) you kinda want a lot of aeration. Lack thereof + overwatering = willful denitrification via bacteria, assuming they are present. If they aren't you are kinda missing out even if you are chem gro because they will fix N from the atmosphere as long as they have access.
-MPP
 
mipainpatient

mipainpatient

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Undercover Cop said:
damn lol, too much to smoke and too hungry rite now to make much sense of that right now lol!, but the graph I showed had curiously re-arranged the reds and greens... instead of VIBGYOR (violet indigo blue green yellow orange red) it went BIVROYG (blue indigo violet red orange yellow green) lol! and apparently green is 740-790nm! :)
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You are seeing correctly, that graph does represent a not 'wavelength nm' true representation. But if you were ordering the wavelength spectrums by activity....type? or net END effect, they might be on to something. I know it sounds far fetched but beyond something of that nature, yea the graph can be disregarded as a rearrangement of the typical form of spectral output graph we have been conditioned to see.
 
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pedro420

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thank you patient

im going with a 30% mix in my grow bags when my tent gets here (hopeing with fingers crossed it is soone)

but like i said ive never started in cups always started in final pot but ill go with a 20%/30% mix ill think more about it tonite ive been trying to find a way to germ withalmost perfect resaults as i dont want to loose the 5 seeds i have as i dont have ne more and wont be able to get sny for a long time
 
hyroot

hyroot

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pedro420 said:
thank you patient

im going with a 30% mix in my grow bags when my tent gets here (hopeing with fingers crossed it is soone)

but like i said ive never started in cups always started in final pot but ill go with a 20%/30% mix ill think more about it tonite ive been trying to find a way to germ withalmost perfect resaults as i dont want to loose the 5 seeds i have as i dont have ne more and wont be able to get sny for a long time
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put a seed in a cup of water over night. if its good it should sink by the next day(from growing marijuana soma style ).

get some rapid rooters

put the seed in a plug

put plug with seed in it into a party cup or what ever with soil.

barely cover the plug with soil. just enough to block light but not to much so the sproutling can't push through.

set under a cfl or a single bulb t5 water a little and wait.

works every time and i have had a female every single time.



Also I use 2 gal grow bags and I've tried different ratios of perlite and even without adding any. My best results are 50/50 perlite/soil. With ffof soil which does not have much perlite to begin with. I lst too. That's just from my experience.


p,s. get Soma's book. he is the man.
 
mipainpatient

mipainpatient

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Little tip, if you are using party cups, take a razor/sharp edge to the sides (think perforation) to the bottom 1/2 to 1/3rd of the cup and it should increase the impact of your positive offering to your leafy friend :)
MPP
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didnt realize you were going from seed, in addition to the cutting mod to cup scheme, celophane on the top is recommended for first few days + heat from underneath or ambient i guess works, just to emulate early spring sun-heated moist soil....mmmmm I think we could all sprout in some of that
 
Undercover Cop

Undercover Cop

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hyroot said:
wave point ultra growth wave


http://www.wave-point.com/images/WavePoint product flyer.pdf
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*You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to hyroot again*

It looks like that fucker's got the same 610nm spike that the redwave has, but then it plateau's through 630 then spikes BIG at 660!!! when do they come out!? that looks like a good wide/full spectrum bulb, prob a little pinker than the fiji's cuz of the green, but damn I like em. Ill be waiting in line to order a few, Wavepoints are priced really well so I wont have a prob getting a few to try :) Big props to Aoyanagi who was the first to mention it to me, and BIG props Hyroot for the SPD... You always manage to pull good shit like this and that post from KZ, where do you keep all this top secret info?!? :)
 
hyroot

hyroot

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i might just wait for that ultra growth. i like the red and it peaks at 660(highest) and 630 and the blue peaks just before 430. too much green though. still nice though
 
hyroot

hyroot

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Undercover Cop said:
*You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to hyroot again*

It looks like that fucker's got the same 610nm spike that the redwave has, but then it plateau's through 630 then spikes BIG at 660!!! when do they come out!? that looks like a good wide/full spectrum bulb, prob a little pinker than the fiji's cuz of the green, but damn I like em. Ill be waiting in line to order a few, Wavepoints are priced really well so I wont have a prob getting a few to try :) Big props to Aoyanagi who was the first to mention it to me, and BIG props Hyroot for the SPD... You always manage to pull good shit like this and that post from KZ, where do you keep all this top secret info?!? :)
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google, its all how you word it. but of course i skim through quite a few sites and pdf's before striking gold.

that one was on the wave point site. just click on distributor at the top of the page.
 
Undercover Cop

Undercover Cop

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hyroot said:
i might just wait for that ultra growth. i like the red and it peaks at 660(highest) and 630 and the blue peaks just before 430. too much green though. still nice though
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Yeah but with other bulbs I have that have no green, like red suns, coral waves, super blues etc, I really dont mind that bit of green and its the only one I know that will have that much 660nm coverage, which isnt covered by anything I have now... HPS or T5. Im getting some. Ill let ya'll know of my results but I like that graph :) and I like the other wavepoints I have and their low cost so Ill still be waiting for em. Lemme know when they come out if you find that.


lol I thought I was the google king...
 
mipainpatient

mipainpatient

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bout to burn out but just wanted to offer you this undercover:
you want green and yellow, no matter the genetics, its minimums that you need to meet (full spec should cover this) and ratios that you wanna tweak (blue and red bulb changes you guys are doing) but don't fear the light that is the color of your leaves....the lower canopy depends on the ranges reflected by upper leaves (YELLOW, GREEN, INRARED <--- the most)
for real this time, laters all,
MPP
p.s. props to hyroot, no idea how to give rep but I was looking for that SPD to post and didn't want to mislead you guys if wave point was putting out another dud
 
hyroot

hyroot

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Undercover Cop said:
Yeah but with other bulbs I have that have no green, like red suns, coral waves, super blues etc, I really dont mind that bit of green and its the only one I know that will have that much 660nm coverage, which isnt covered by anything I have now... HPS or T5. Im getting some. Ill let ya'll know of my results but I like that graph :) and I like the other wavepoints I have and their low cost so Ill still be waiting for em. Lemme know when they come out if you find that.


lol I thought I was the google king...
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the coral wave and the redsun both have small 10% and 20% bumps of green at 543nm. and the redsun has a 20% yellow spike at 580nm

im searching for release date now. i dont have a life anymore lol
 
hyroot

hyroot

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mipainpatient said:
bout to burn out but just wanted to offer you this undercover:
you want green and yellow, no matter the genetics, its minimums that you need to meet (full spec should cover this) and ratios that you wanna tweak (blue and red bulb changes you guys are doing) but don't fear the light that is the color of your leaves....the lower canopy depends on the ranges reflected by upper leaves (YELLOW, GREEN, INRARED <--- the most)
for real this time, laters all,
MPP
p.s. props to hyroot, no idea how to give rep but I was looking for that SPD to post and didn't want to mislead you guys if wave point was putting out another dud
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click on sherriff star next to where it says journal this post and the triangle is to report a post (hint hint)
 
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Arabic

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i was thinking.... say all this time. the max lumens these 4 ft bulbs were outputting are significantly less than the 5000 you get by 6500k bulbs. Isn't that why HPS are more effective in flower anyway? not because of better spectrum, but because a 1000w hps is 150k lumens and a 1000w mh is only 90k lumens. Say these aquarium bulbs are 2k lumens?
 
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pedro420

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thanks for the help again guys

i dont have rapid root or the cash to get ne i just spent all my money on new equiptment abd bags for the garden but i do have jiffy pellets that i can use and a humidity dome
 
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