Hehehe, I've grown the Lemon G, it's alright, really lemony, probably the same clones being talked about, same area at least.
Punks have overrun all the good scenes in Ohio for all I know, I haven't gone to Hookahville for like 7 years because of that. I did get some dumpster at Hookahville 01, in the fall with Willie Nelson, and tons of rain and mud. After that it turned into a sideways ballcap punk hangout with a bunch of crackheads trying to steal your shit.
It sucks to hear the ledges are following that path.
There hasn't been a cool scene since to Bush presidency began.