Lets talk about roots......

stumpjumper · Jan 17, 2012

Well, I think a plant grows most of it's roots out in the first few weeks of it's life. You notice how your top growth goes slow for awhile then all of a sudden BOOM it's takes off like a mofo. Those slow days are when the shit is happening under the soil and once it has a root system to sustain lush growth the vegetation starts..

By the time you are ready to switch to flower your root system should be well established and not trying to grow as much as the plant is trying to strengthen branches and shit..

I don't think re-potting a plant that is converting into flower mode is going to make it switch it's effort into making more roots, at least not enough to slow down stretching. But this is all my opinion and I might not know what the hell I'm talking about at all...

If you want to control stretch why not just use a MH for the first few weeks of flower?

bob harris · Jan 17, 2012

I go from cloner to beer cup, then to one gallon, then to 7 gallon. They are in the 7 gallon about 2 weeks before going into the flower room.

gladstoned · Jan 17, 2012

You want your roots to be done growing so that when you flip to 12/12 the plant is growing not the roots.

Buddy Ganga · Jan 18, 2012

I'm glad you made the point about being root bound because that was one of my concerns.
We've been using plant success and with bottom feeding the roots have become explosive.
So this raised the question of the plant becoming rootbound and it creating a problem in flower.
Smaller and slower bud production is not what we are looking for.

Here is an idea of what we have going, two different strains 12 days out of the cloner in 3 qt pots.
Doesn't matter the size of the pot or stage of veg they all look the same shortly after transplanting. Going into flower is even whiter/fuller.

The Lemon G

The Chocolope.

So while we are going over possible problems to be better prepared with a solution (if there even is a problem) we thought about the roots having more room to grow going into flower. So of course we had to over think it even more (ear) and got to thinking about a possible ballance between the first week the plants is taking to the light transition and a possible way to slow down on stretching by splitting the energy between the two.

I loved the MH idea but this was really about imaginable effects our over thought imaginable problem could possibly have.

gladstoned · Jan 18, 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI-l2fCSrkk&feature=related

You do not ever want your plants to get root bound at all. You are debating on transplanting into a bigger pot sooner. That is exactly what you should do, transplant it earlier, into a 7 gallon and then veg it a week or two longer. Have you grew out the Chocolope before? It's been out of stock for quite awhile.

fattiemcnuggins · Jan 18, 2012

my buddy just yielded 25 oz off of his first grow (1000 watts) with huge trees and a long veg in 3 gallon pots in soil. i think it is harder to get root bound than people think..

st0wandgrow · Jan 18, 2012

gladstoned said:
You want your roots to be done growing so that when you flip to 12/12 the plant is growing not the roots.

I agree. I'm much more concerned about energy being used for bud site formation .... and a lot less concerned about stretch when I flip to 12/12.

gladstoned · Jan 18, 2012

fattiemcnuggins said:
my buddy just yielded 25 oz off of his first grow (1000 watts) with huge trees and a long veg in 3 gallon pots in soil. i think it is harder to get root bound than people think..

(1)1000W light? How many plants? A 3 gallon pot is perfect in my opinion, unless you go with a longer veg, that is why I will be going 7 for most and even 13 for some. You can grow a pretty big plant in a 3 gallon pot though. What strain was it?

fattiemcnuggins · Jan 18, 2012

9 plants 45 day or so veg 70 flower. he had 2 chocolope 2 dj short bb 1 g 13 1 great white x mazar 1 afgani 1 pineapple express and 1 permafrost. supercropping and topping, gen hydro nutes, happy frog soil, smart pots.

fattiemcnuggins · Jan 18, 2012

yes 1 1000 watt he did have a 400 watt metal halide in there for maybe 2 weeks but he took it out because of heat issues. i also walked him through the grow hes my neighbor so he had that going for him 2.

fattiemcnuggins · Jan 18, 2012

i leave mine in a beer cup until the roots are a solid mass then to 3 gal smart pot. going from a milkjug to a 3 to a 7 or something along those lines has also worked well for me in the past.

stumpjumper · Jan 18, 2012

fattiemcnuggins said:
my buddy just yielded 25 oz off of his first grow (1000 watts) with huge trees and a long veg in 3 gallon pots in soil. i think it is harder to get root bound than people think..

I couldn't agree more. They just need to be watered more. I had a 3oz yielder in a 1/2 gallon pot.. Most would've said it was rootbound as fuck but it was healthy and vigorous.. Just had to water the fucking thing 2 times a day lol..

gladstoned · Jan 18, 2012

fattiemcnuggins said:
i leave mine in a beer cup until the roots are a solid mass then to 3 gal smart pot. going from a milkjug to a 3 to a 7 or something along those lines has also worked well for me in the past.

The only thing I do different is transplanting from the beer cup much earlier so it doesn't mass, because I think they grow into the bigger pots better and results in a larger yield in the end. I have no prove and I could be wrong.

stumpjumper · Jan 18, 2012

I pull mine out of the cups when they have their third set of leaves. After the transplant it takes about a week before they start rapid growth and by the second week it's inches daily..

fattiemcnuggins · Jan 18, 2012

gladstoned said:
The only thing I do different is transplanting from the beer cup much earlier so it doesn't mass, because I think they grow into the bigger pots better and results in a larger yield in the end. I have no prove and I could be wrong.

i'll have to do a side by side and see which works out better sometime. nice to see some good discussion on the michigan forum.

Buddy Ganga · Jan 18, 2012

fattiemcnuggins said:
i'll have to do a side by side and see which works out better sometime. nice to see some good discussion on the michigan forum.

We've got two identical LSD clone's we are going to do a side by side with.
One will be moved up gradually and finish in a 5 gal and the other we are putting directly into a 5 gal and leaving it be.
The only difference will be the bottom feeding which can not be done with the clone going directly into the 5 gal.

gladstoned · Jan 18, 2012

Buddy Ganga said:
We've got two identical LSD clone's we are going to do a side by side with.
One will be moved up gradually and finish in a 5 gal and the other we are putting directly into a 5 gal and leaving it be.
The only difference will be the bottom feeding which can not be done with the clone going directly into the 5 gal.

good shit buddy. i want to check that out

stumpjumper · Jan 18, 2012

Buddy Ganga said:
We've got two identical LSD clone's we are going to do a side by side with.
One will be moved up gradually and finish in a 5 gal and the other we are putting directly into a 5 gal and leaving it be.
The only difference will be the bottom feeding which can not be done with the clone going directly into the 5 gal.

I'm anxious to see this, I hope you're taking pictures?

Buddy Ganga · Jan 18, 2012

Always take lots of pic's even when there is no reason to.
We keep records on just about everything we do, all the way down to the amount of water/nutes on any given day.
Makes problem solving a no brainer if we run into any.

We have clip boards in every area almost like the old medical charts hanging on the foot of a hospital bed.

Have you grew out the Chocolope before? It's been out of stock for quite awhile.
We've had the strain since spring.
That is actually the last of the run and it's gone from our grow.
Wasn't impressed with it at all. Kept it around due to a request from a patient.

gladstoned · Jan 18, 2012

Buddy Ganga said:
Always take lots of pic's even when there is no reason to.
We keep records on just about everything we do, all the way down to the amount of water/nutes on any given day.
Makes problem solving a no brainer if we run into any.

We have clip boards in every area almost like the old medical charts hanging on the foot of a hospital bed.

That is funny. Clip boards and records are some more of the reasons that I get teased about being OCD. Fuck em, my plants love me.
And thank you for the heads up on Chocolope, ol ladies son wanted it and I never heard much about it. You don't sound partial to any breeders so I wanted your opinion.

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