lets talk yield, .5g to 2.5 grams per watt. how can we get there?

irish grower

irish grower

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its the English mate,there just aggressive,unlike me the irish so layed back you could blow me over with a feather,booya big up the irish growers
 
Alienwidow

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since1991 said:
Here we go again....the easy crowd. No its not easy. Its certainly not common and quite frankly i dont think its possible to pull 5 or 6 pounds even from a double ended thousand watt. Wow. Most good growers will say a 15 to 25% increase in final dry weight yield across the board with double ended hps lamps. And thats a HUGE increase for paying the same amount in electricity. Pulling double or triple the yield....cmon.
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I dont think anyone mentioned 5-6 lbs, ever. A lb a light is pretty routine with 600 watt lamps no? My first couple grows with 600s i was getting over a lb a light and i didnt even know anything, no co2, one run i even got nutrient burn.
I don't get how a lb a light isnt easy with a 1k bulb. I mean brave dave is pulling a gpw and cummon, he was preaching about the flowering power of MH bulbs just six months ago. I just went back to ffof soil for a run several months back and still pulled over a lb a light on every light. I dont know if youve ever run dwc, or rdwc before, but if you cant pull a lb a light from either of those methods it's time to pack it up and quit indoor growing. Or trade in those dinosaur magnetic balasts and fall off your wallet and buy some new bulbs more often than every five years.
 
ttystikk

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Alienwidow said:
I dont think anyone mentioned 5-6 lbs, ever. A lb a light is pretty routine with 600 watt lamps no? My first couple grows with 600s i was getting over a lb a light and i didnt even know anything, no co2, one run i even got nutrient burn.
I don't get how a lb a light isnt easy with a 1k bulb. I mean brave dave is pulling a gpw and cummon, he was preaching about the flowering power of MH bulbs just six months ago. I just went back to ffof soil for a run several months back and still pulled over a lb a light on every light. I dont know if youve ever run dwc, or rdwc before, but if you cant pull a lb a light from either of those methods it's time to pack it up and quit indoor growing. Or trade in those dinosaur magnetic balasts and fall off your wallet and buy some new bulbs more often than every five years.
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Check your math; 1gpw is 2.207lbs, or 35 oz from a thouie.

That means some of these magicians say it's possible to pull two and a half times that much, or 2.2 x 2.5 = 5.5lbs from under a single thouie.

I say let's see it done.
 
Alienwidow

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ttystikk said:
Check your math; 1gpw is 2.207lbs, or 35 oz from a thouie.

That means some of these magicians say it's possible to pull two and a half times that much, or 2.2 x 2.5 = 5.5lbs from under a single thouie. I say let's see it done.
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Why is everyone missquoting me in this thread? :lol: i said brave dave is pulling a gpw. I said pulling a lb a light isnt hard. 2.5 lbs per light is very possible with a dialed in rdwc. Never did i mention 5.5 lbs. if i did im sorry, i lied. Im not looking back over my quotes but if someone points it out I'll surely edit it out.
 
since1991

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Alienwidow said:
Hahaha, you know point two on your list isnt necessity. 1-2gpw with DE hid lights is common without even trying. Rdwc and DEs will get you 2.5gpw easy. Id bet DE vert canopy stadium sog could pull 3gpw.
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Its all good homie. Iam stoned too. But 2.5 or 3 gpw per thouie is 5 to 6 elbows my good man. No one is pulling that with a 1000 watt hps...mogul socket or the newish double ended lamps on thier own. And a pound per 1000 watt...thats fairly par for the course...even for newer growers. One and a half is pretty decent upper average. Two plus...you got shit on point and doing great. The biggest factors are genetics...environment and the ability to manipulate it precisely...and canopy management. What medium you use (soil..soilless...water based hydroponics) ....the nutrient brands...the plant count...all that is really secondary to the above 3 pillars. And just make it easier to hit target weights. But without proper high yielding (plus quality) genetics...proper environment dialage (this confuses most and happens with time and paying attention to the same strains over and over run after run -having pricey appliances to control envirinment helps bigtime)...and managing that FULL canopy whether you got one plant or 50...you will never hit 2 plus pounds of prime trimmed dried and cured buds per thousand watts of hps lamp in flowering.
 
since1991

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Btw.....i see what ya did...you meant pounds per lamp...not grams per watt. I gotcha now holmes. Oh and you betcha....some way to mount double ended in a vertical position....people would crush it. But alas...vert de as of now is a no go. By the time that happens cob led will be it for total indoors i think. Just before it all moves outdoors or in greenhouses because the price will be so low it wont be worth it to run total indoors with monthly electric bills. Economy of scale my fellow growers....economy of scale.
 
Slab

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since1991 said:
Its all good homie. Iam stoned too. But 2.5 or 3 gpw per thouie is 5 to 6 elbows my good man. No one is pulling that with a 1000 watt hps...mogul socket or the newish double ended lamps on thier own. And a pound per 1000 watt...thats fairly par for the course...even for newer growers. One and a half is pretty decent upper average. Two plus...you got shit on point and doing great. The biggest factors are genetics...environment and the ability to manipulate it precisely...and canopy management. What medium you use (soil..soilless...water based hydroponics) ....the nutrient brands...the plant count...all that is really secondary to the above 3 pillars. And just make it easier to hit target weights. But without proper high yielding (plus quality) genetics...proper environment dialage (this confuses most and happens with time and paying attention to the same strains over and over run after run -having pricey appliances to control envirinment helps bigtime)...and managing that FULL canopy whether you got one plant or 50...you will never hit 2 plus pounds of prime trimmed dried and cured buds per thousand watts of hps lamp in flowering.
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Maybe with a 6 month veg and a 300 gallon pot :P
 
since1991

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Slab said:
Maybe with a 6 month veg and a 300 gallon pot :P
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Even then....with what we are using i dont think so. All good prime buds? I dont know man....thats asking alot from hps lamps. Just grow outside with that. Only so much one can do with total indoors and hitting that tipping point where it starts to become diminishing returns on what your inputs are.
 
Slab

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since1991 said:
Even then....with what we are using i dont think so. All good prime buds? I dont know man....thats asking alot from hps lamps. Just grow outside with that. Only so much one can do with total indoors and hitting that tipping point where it starts to become diminishing returns on what your inputs are.
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Agreed, just messing around.
Only comes out to 5 lbs per anum anyway, aprox.
 
since1991

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Ive seen some youtube vids where these greenhouses in Colorado and Oregon are just silly with what they can do with cannabis. Theres one vid where this company has a total state of the art big operation with all the bells and whistles. Light dep covers and P.L. lamps for supplement. Sensors and Dosatrons that only feed and water when needed. Not timed. In thick slabs of Pelemix Coco coir . Basically what they been doing with big greenhouse tomato and pepper ops but packed full of cannabis varieties instead. Just amazing. And makes home hobbyists and even full warehouse grows pale in comparison. Especially in input costs versus return.
 
ttystikk

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Alienwidow said:
Why is everyone missquoting me in this thread? :lol: i said brave dave is pulling a gpw. I said pulling a lb a light isnt hard. 2.5 lbs per light is very possible with a dialed in rdwc. Never did i mention 5.5 lbs. if i did im sorry, i lied. Im not looking back over my quotes but if someone points it out I'll surely edit it out.
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It's the thread title, brother. Lol
 
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