Light stress?

BBPac

BBPac

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New growth is light green with some tips looking yellow / bleached. And the growth is also twisted. Is this light / heat stress? possibly the beginning of nute def?

Light is HLG 135 qb v2 rspec at 20”
FFOF mixed with perlite and EWC
Watered with tap water pH to 6.5
Every other watering with Real Growers Recharge
Plant is almost 4 weeks in a 2 gal pot
Haven’t fed any other outside nutrients

If I’m missing any other info I’ll add it in
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BBPac

BBPac

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HydoDan said:
Looks more like nute burn to me.. FFOF might be a little hot.
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That crossed my mind on the last time I posted. But wasn’t sure if it’s something that would progressively get worse or if it would “max out” the burn it gave. If that makes any sense.

does that also explain the twisting growth?
 
HydoDan

HydoDan

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Yeah, nute burn can cause stunted growth. You'll just have to ride it out. Try water only and see if it gets better..
Good luck.
 
BBPac

BBPac

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Would using Recharge in a soil that’s hot like FFOF be something I should be incorporating later when the soil is more depleted? Or does it just make the nutrients more available
Might be a dumb question, but I’m just trying to get a better understanding of what to avoid
 
Sofa King Smoooth

Sofa King Smoooth

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BBPac said:
Would using Recharge in a soil that’s hot like FFOF be something I should be incorporating later when the soil is more depleted? Or does it just make the nutrients more available
Might be a dumb question, but I’m just trying to get a better understanding of what to avoid
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Possibly, it has fulvic and humic in it.

am pretty sure that I over fed a fulvic product on young seedlings that ended up with twisted leaves.
 
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AScrilla

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BBPac said:
Would using Recharge in a soil that’s hot like FFOF be something I should be incorporating later when the soil is more depleted? Or does it just make the nutrients more available
Might be a dumb question, but I’m just trying to get a better understanding of what to avoid
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I use Recharge with FFOF, and I typically start using it when the plant has about 2 to 3 nodes (although I use mycorrhizae earlier if I transplant from a solo cup). I do not believe that the hot soil has any negative effect on the function of Recharge. Also, remember that Recharge assists the roots in absorbing nutrients by creating a symbiotic relationship between the fungus and the roots (my non-scientific explanation). The plant will take what it needs from the soil, and leave what it does not. As long as you are not putting anything in your soil that will kill the fungus, you should be fine. FFOF will not kill the fungus.
 
BBPac

BBPac

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I was just thinking. What kind of nutrient burn would show up on just the top new growth? Wouldn’t the majority start at the bottom and work up?
 
speedwell68

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The dark green and shiny leaves are suggesting too much Nitrogen.

Reading up on the Recharge it contains Kelp and Molasses, whilst the Nitrogen content of those is negligible they do contain it and it might be enough to push an already very rich soil mix over the top.

Again, from what I have read, the Recharge contains Mycorrhizae and beneficial microbes. I don't see the point of applying them over and over again. I am all for Mycorrhizae and beneficial microbes, but I apply them once when I plant a rooted seedling or clone. As they are living organisms as long as your soil is good they will be fruitful and multiply.

Personally I would stop using the Recharge, keep them moist with plain water and see if they improve. I might be wrong, but that is my take on it.
 
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Bud man 43

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I have one that looks like this. Could it be the strain? Mine has been treated the same as the others that are doing good. Same nutrients- watering schedule- everything.
 
Lenin1917

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speedwell68 said:
TBH the more I read on that Recharge you are using the more I think it is complete Snake Oil. As soon as I saw the price and read the hype on their website I became suspicious.
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It’s just microbes and brown sugar. Decent stuff if you don’t have the resources/space to do composting/worm bins. But it’s not nearly the game changing supplement they claim. Don’t get me wrong it’s good but it’s not particularly special. Think it’s most useful if you’re doing organics but say accidentally let your soil dry out cause some shit came up and you missed a watering and your microbes die off you just water some more back in.
 
speedwell68

speedwell68

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Lenin1917 said:
It’s just microbes and brown sugar. Decent stuff if you don’t have the resources/space to do composting/worm bins. But it’s not nearly the game changing supplement they claim. Don’t get me wrong it’s good but it’s not particularly special. Think it’s most useful if you’re doing organics but say accidentally let your soil dry out cause some shit came up and you missed a watering and your microbes die off you just water some more back in.
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Microbes and brown sugar at $35 a bag, wow.
 
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Markshomegrown

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I would remove all the large fan leaves, the canopy is far too thick, plants can't move or breathe.
don't think there is room for the water to evaporate from the top of the soil and this is effecting the root mass.
 
BBPac

BBPac

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speedwell68 said:
The dark green and shiny leaves are suggesting too much Nitrogen.

Reading up on the Recharge it contains Kelp and Molasses, whilst the Nitrogen content of those is negligible they do contain it and it might be enough to push an already very rich soil mix over the top.

Again, from what I have read, the Recharge contains Mycorrhizae and beneficial microbes. I don't see the point of applying them over and over again. I am all for Mycorrhizae and beneficial microbes, but I apply them once when I plant a rooted seedling or clone. As they are living organisms as long as your soil is good they will be fruitful and multiply.

Personally I would stop using the Recharge, keep them moist with plain water and see if they improve. I might be wrong, but that is my take on it.
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The EWC I added is 1-0-0. In addition to FFOF and Recharge. Does light stress / too much light increase nutrient uptake to where it can burn?
speedwell68 said:
TBH the more I read on that Recharge you are using the more I think it is complete Snake Oil. As soon as I saw the price and read the hype on their website I became suspicious.
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After the first water with it I noticed a big boost in growth, but not so much now. I’ll cut it out and do straight water.
Markshomegrown said:
I would remove all the large fan leaves, the canopy is far too thick, plants can't move or breathe.
don't think there is room for the water to evaporate from the top of the soil and this is effecting the root mass.
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The plant is actually pretty open under canopy, plenty of room for airflow. I was going to do some minor defoliation after my next transplant
 
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hostagecs

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I some times have this happen on my shorter plants, I water with koi water, but i notice this in early plants when my nitrogen is a bit high and starts causing nut burn, my thought is the plant is uptaking everything it loves for growth, normally after a bit of trimming the plant recovers fine. the leafs look like one of my past grows, i can tell you if the plant rides it out, that plant should have good yield if you control the nutrients in it. my 2 cents, could be wrong
 
Offmymeds

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HydoDan said:
Yeah, nute burn can cause stunted growth. You'll just have to ride it out. Try water only and see if it gets better..
Good luck.
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I don't think water only is reccomended. I believe Dr. Bugbee emphasized that in one of his most popular YT videos. Maybe a minimal solution?
 
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