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howdy stoners, im starting my first grow in the atic and have about 4 x 4 x 5 ft space (5ft is the hight) and am planning on growing around 6 plants, im thinking about getting a cfl grow light but not sure what wattage will be needed . any ideas? cheers
 

tyke1973

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FIRST THING'S FIRST DUDE DO YOUR RE~SEARCH LOOK AROUND GO ONTO WWW.BTJUNKIE.ORG LOOK FOR TWO DVD'S ONE IS CALLED I GROW CRONIC[MR GREEN,I KNOW WHAT ALOT OF YOU GUYS ARE THINKING HE GROW HYDROPHONICS AND I WANNA GROW SOIL TAKE SNAPS OF HIS ADVICE HE KNOES HIS STUFF THIS GUY.EVEN THOUGH THE TEILD OF 4 PLANTS IS A LITTLE ON THE LOW SIDE A QUARTER POUND OF 4 PLANTS.ANOTHER THING WITH THIS DVD IS THAT I HAVE A CO2 TANK MYSELF BUT WHEN YOU FIRST START IT IS UNNESSARY,JUST SPRAY THE PLANTS WITH WATER AND CO2 JUST PUT IN IT,IT IS A KIND OF SODA WATER BUT DO NOT GET ANY WITH ANYTHING OTHER THAN WATER AND AIR[CO2]IN.I'M NOT SAYING DON'T GRT A CO2 TANK BUT GET THIS IN THE FUTURE WAY DOWN THE LINE.GROWING CANNABIS IS NOT A MATTER OF PUTTING PLANTS IN SOIL AND CUT DOWN AND SMOKE,WELL IT IS BUT IS MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT GUY.BUT GET THE D.V.D GREAT DVD TO ADD TO THE COLLECTION.THE NEXT DVD IS MY BIBLE OF GROWING CANNABIS IT IS CALLED GROW MORE BUDS DVD 1/2/3 THESE ARE UNREAL I WATCH THESE AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK,GREAT WATCH IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM PUT HIS IDEA'S ALSO TO THE GROW MEDIUM THAT YOU ARE USEING.THE FIRST THING THAT YOU ARE GONNA NEED IS 2 ROOMS ONE FOR THE CLONES YOU DON'T WANNA BE BUYING SEEDS EVERY GROW OR DO YOU.STAY WELL CLEAR OF ANY AUTOFOWERING PLANTS THESE PLANTS ARE A GIMMIK THESE PLANTS CAN'T BE CLONED AND THE MAX YEILED IS ABOUT 1 OUNCE 1 AND HARF AT MOST,BUT IF YOU GET 1 OUNCE YOU WILL HAVE DONE WELL.IF YOU LIKE THE STARINS THAT YOU ARE GROWING THAN BUY THE REAL THING GET FEMANISED SEEDS OF A SEED RETAILER CALLED WWW. ATTITUDE SEEDS.COM THESE SHIP ALL OVER THE WORLD AND ARE GREAT ONLY SECOND TO GREENHOUSE.BUILD 4 TIMBER MATCH BOX SHAPED DESIGNES THESE WILL BE THE GROW AREA,ONE HAS TO BE 4/4 YOU SAY MAKE IT HAS TALL HAS POSSIBLE THIS WAY IT WILL CUT DOWN ON HEAT ISSUES BECAUSE HEAT RISES PUT VENT HOLES IN THE TOP 4 2 ON EACH SIDE GET HOLD OF SOME DRYER HORSE SO YOU CAN HAVE THE END DOWN NEAR THE PLANTS,TAKE THE ENDS INTO A LOFT SPACE THIS WILL BE A GRAT WAY OF HEAT ESCAPEING AND ALSO PUT PLENTY OF CO2 INTO THE GROW ROOMS.MAKE SURE THAT YOU DO ALL THIS WHILE THE PLANTS ARE NO WHERE NEAR.ONCE THE PLANTS ARE IN THE LOFT SPACE I LIKE TO TIE THEM TO THE UPRIGHTS WITH STRING JUST TO MAKE IT THAT MORE DIFFICULT FOR INSECTS TO GET INTO THE VENT.THE NEXT STEP IS A FAN THAT YOU CAN HAVE ON SOMETHING THAT CAN BE HIGHERED OR LOWERED EASYLY.MONEY MAY BE A PROBLEM SO THE LAST THING THAT YOU WANT IS A VERY SMALL CROP THIS IS WHAT YOU WILL GET BY HAVEING CFL'S OR FLOURESENTS IN ANOTHER SMALLER ROOM WE WILL TALK LATER ON THIS.YOU NEED A 250 WATT H.P.S THESE ARE GREAT FOR FLOWERING AND VEGGING WELL WORTH THE MONEY.ONCE THE FRAME HAS BEEN BUILT THEM ADD THE MYLAR IN THE INSIDE/AND THE BLACK AND WHITE REFLECTIVE MATERIAL ON THE OUTSIDE MAKE SURE IT IS LIGHT TIGHT.YOU WILL NEED A SMALL EXAUST BATHROOM EXAUST FAN IN THE CLONEING ROOM.THIS WILL PULL STAGNENT AIR OUT AND THEN YOU WILL NEED A SMALL FAN JUST FOR CLONES AND MOTHERS,WITHOUT MOTHERS THIS WILL COST YOU AT LEAST 3/4 WEEK PER SEEDLING BUT CLONE'S WELL MINE HAVE A ROOT SYSTEM AFTER A WEEK I TAKE THEM AROUND 5 WEEK INTO FLOWERING THIS WILL GIVE THE AT LEAST A 3/4 WEEK START.ONCE THE CLONE'S HAVE BEEN ROOTED THEN ONCE THEY GO UNDER 250 H.P.S THET WILL SHOOT UP,KEEP THESE CLONES IN A PROPAGATOR FOR AT LEAST A WEEK FIRST 2 DAYS VENTS CLOSED SPAY THE FOLIGE WITH WATERPH OF 5.0/5.5 WITH SUPERTHRIVE IN DO THE PH ONCE IT HAS BEEN ADDED.NOW FOR THE BUDDING ROOM TAKEING INTO ACCOUNT YOU WILL NEED A LARGE EXAUST FAN PUT THIS IN THE CEILING THIS WILL BE PULLED THROUGH TO THE LOFT AREA, I HAVE AT LEAST 2 MORE FRESH AIR VENTS IN EACH ROOM BRINGGING IN FRESH CO2 THERE WAS A SMALL TILE GAP SO THAT IS WERE I RUN MY VENT TOO,THE PLANTS LOVE IT.WHEN THEY COME OUT OF THE CLONEING MOTHER ROOM THE PLANTS WILL HAVE ROOTS SHOWING THROUGH ROCKWOOL CUBES OR JIFFY POTS.PUT THEM STRAIGHT INTO THE LARGEST TUBS THAT YOU CAN FIT ALL YOUR PLANTS IN THE ROOM,THEN DRNCH THEM WITH FLUSHING WATER PH OF 5.5./5.0 TILL THE WATER RUNS CLEAN ONCE THE WATER IS CLEAR ADD THE FINAL WATER WITH FRESH NUTRIENTS IN SO THE PLANTS ARE NOT USE ANY NUTRIENT GROWTH TIME.THEN BANG THEM UNDER THE 250 H.P.S AND WITHIN AMATTER OF AFEW DAYS YOU WILL NOTICE THE DIFFERANCE BUT DONT RE~FEED TILL THE POTS FEEL LITE THEN WET THE PLANTS THROUGH AGAIN THE PLANTS WILL NEED A MAX OF 1/2 WATERING NO MORE TO MANY NEWBIES WATER FAR TO MUCH THIS CAUSES PREMATURE ROOT BOUND PLANTS STRAIGHT FROM THE CLONEING ROOM I PUT THE PLANTS IN A 7 LITRE POT IT LOOKS WELL SMALL BUT BELIVE ME THE PLANTS LOVE IT HAS LONG HAS YOU WATER RIGHT LIKE I HAVE SAID.GOOD LOOK TYKE OUT.KEEP GREEN BRO.BUT YOU MUST BUY ALL THE THINGS THAT I HAVE SAIS THE LIGHTING IN THE CLONEING MOTHER ROOM WANTS TO BE 2 4 FT FLOURESENTS GET I WARM DAYLIGHT TUBE AND IN THE SECOND ONE YOU WANT COOL TUBES DAYLIGHT SPEC,ALSO 2 WALL MOUNTED DOWNLIGHT 150 WATT LOW ENERGY CFL'S.IF YOU AINT GOT THE MONEY FOR THE FLOWERING ROOM YOU CAN STILL GET YOUR MOTHR PLANTS GOING,READY TO BE CLONED TO FU@CK.BUT HONEST GUY WAIT TILL YOU HAVE MONEY FOR A 250 WATT H.P.S LIGHT RATHER THAN USE WHAT YOU WAS GONNA DO HOPE THIS HELPS TYKE/4873.PEACE OUT KEEP GREEN.
 
why the hell did you post all tht, yeah ive seen tht dvd a number of times and i can afford a hps light im just gonna try with a cfl and was just wondeing what wattage i would need...... tar tho
 

meofcurse

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What are compact fluorescents and how can I use them for growing?

What are compact fluorescents and how can I use them for growing?


What are compact fluorescents and how can I use them for growing?


Contributed by: Burramys Parvus
Thanks to: 11leafedleaf
Submitted: 03-25-2003
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BASIC INFORMATION
Compact fluorescents are close relatives of the 4ft tube fluorescents, commonly used in shops and schools for their white, soft light that does not cast any defined shadows. These lights are long tubes, usually 4ft long, filled with a gas that releases a photon of light when excited by electricity. The electricity is passed through the tube from the metal sections at either end, thus exciting the gas within and releasing photons of light. These lights must have a 'starter' which gets the light going initially, unlike incandescent which can just be turned on and off without one. Regular fluorescents usually emit 18w of light per tube, and cannot be plugged straight into a wall socket.

Compact fluorescents, on the other hand, are made for use in regular light sockets, and can easily be installed by anyone with basic handyman skills. Compact fluorescents are usually around 8inches long (not including the ballast, which usually adds about 3 inches to the total length) and emit minimal amounts of heat from the globe itself. Most of the heat emitted from a compact fluorescent comes from the ballast. These lights are usually between 8w and 27w, although some variation may occur between brands and uses.

The main reason people choose CF's over regular fluoro's is their compact ability! They are very 'movable' and can be positioned almost everywhere. They put out MUCH more light than their bigger cousins, while using only a fraction of the space.

Some of the many varieties of compact fluorescents.









Image contributed by: Locutus


NON-CULTIVATION USE OF COMPACT FLUORESCENTS

If you're running a large grow setup, and you're concerned about the spike in electricity, replace your regular light bulbs with compact fluoro’s around the house! They give off the same light, using only a fraction of the electricity. If you're running a HID light, and the electricity increase could kill you financially, or you're just worried about LEO, it might be a good idea to replace incandescent with compact fluoro’s. As an example, a 100w incandescent uses most of its energy giving off heat. If you replace all these 100w incandescent bulbs with ~20w energy saving compact fluoro's, you can dramatically reduce your energy bill, and help the environment at the same time. In fact, I recommend changing all your lights to CF's regardless of your growing situation, as they will save you $$ in the long-term, and save the environment.

The advantage with these lights is that the conversion from incandescent isn't complicated! Simply un-screw the old bulb, and screw in a compact fluoro! Done! You're on your way to energy saving paradise!


THE USE OF FLUORO'S FOR GROWING CANNABIS

Every grower has, or still uses these lights. Although they don’t even come close to the results from a HID light, they do however provide a cheap alternative for a newbie 'dabbling' in the fine art of growing. Instead of spending hundreds of dollars on an HID light, a newbie can purchase a compact fluorescent for a few bucks, and still have money for a coffee on the way home.

These lights are also excellent for starting seedlings and clones, as their cool light will not dry out the soil as fast as an HID. They have a low intensity, and are gentle on newly germinated seedlings, and are great for clones as they wont dry them out or give them too much of an early blast.

Compact fluoro's are also great for stealth grows, as they can be kept about 1 inch from the plants, and do not require extensive heat ventilation due to their warm operating temperature.


WHERE CAN I PURCHASE THESE LIGHTS?

Most lighting stores will sell them, but watch out, prices are very different depending on what type of shop you get them at! As lighting shops only sell lighting equipment, their prices can either be high or low, it really depends on the type of lighting shop it is. A designer lighting shop may end up being much more expensive, as they tend to be more directed towards the upper-class designer type customer, which extra $$ to spend. Hardware’s sell them, but their variety of lights is usually limited. Electricians, and assorted electrical shops will sell them, and this is most likely where you will get the best range and the best prices. My advice to you is, shop around! You wont regret it when you can save around 30% per light.


WHICH TYPE OF COMPACT FLUORESCENT LIGHT TO CHOOSE

For anyone growing cannabis, it is pointless to buy a weak light. Given the option of 8w, 15w and 27w, you would be stupid not to buy the 27watt, as they are more or less the same price. Compare the lumen output of each of the bulbs, different 27w bulbs may have different lumen outputs (depending on the manufacturer) and as with everything, the more lumens the better. You will also be given 2 options, the screw method of fitting, or the bayonet method (push and turn). My preference is the bayonet fitting. Make sure that you choose the right one for your socket! Also, do not choose a regular compact fluoro. Pick the one with the energy saving feature (will be explained why later on in the document). Now, for vegetative growth you should choose the 'cool white' light. This is also acceptable for flowering, but a 'warm white' light will be better as it is stronger in the red end of the light spectrum which is more suitable for flowering.


INSTALLING YOUR COMPACT FLUORESCENT

Now, this is extremely easy. As these bulbs fit normal light fixtures, you can just dismantle and old lamp to get the cord, plug and bulb fixture. This is ready made, as all you have to do is plug the cord into a wall outlet and screw in a bulb (with the power turned off, of course). This requires no electrical knowledge at all, and is the easiest way to get a cord suitable for a compact fluoro. The cord is simply removed from the lamp, and you are ready. If you feel you are not up to this task, or you do not have an old lamp ready to be destroyed, you can easily make one of these cords with basic electrical knowledge. Hardware’s and electricians will sell you the cable (you'll need at least 1 meter) and the fittings for the wall socket and the light. Just tell them you're making a lamp for pottery and need a few cables to make up yourself. The parts are cheap, and you can save $$$ this way. If you have any queries, the electrical store will know exactly what type of cables you need etc, and will be more than happy to give you instructions on how to put it all together.

Please note that this is a guide for regular compact fluoro's. There are some outdoor varieties (which are rare) that need to be fitted specially. This FAQ is written for the regular compact fluoro’s, the ones that are most accessible to the general population. Other varieties of compact fluoro's are hard to find, but may or may not be better for growing. As I have little experience with these rare lights, I cannot comment on them. The reason I haven't seen them before, is because they are almost non-existent where I live.


HOW DO I MAKE A SIMPLE REFLECTOR FOR YOUR COMPACT FLUORESCENT?

To build this reflector you will need a regular soda can, any brand will do, which you will need to rinse thoroughly until no residue is left inside. You will also need a good pair or scissor and a robust kitchen knife to cut the metal accordingly. An alternate method to remove the lid, would be to use a can opener. The lip of the lid can be used, and it will cut it cleanly. These tools should be chosen carefully as they will determine over failure or success of this construction. A lack of caution and a sharp metal edge can be fatal to your fingertips so think twice if your tools are capable of doing the job.



How and where to cut:
Firstly, draw a plan of your cutting path on the outside of the can using a permanent marker or a wax crayon. This will aid you to get a better overview of you plan and to avoid silly mistakes on the way.

Cutting the top part of the can out needs to be done first, adjusting the opening according to the size of your bulb. You do not have to cut it exactly to shape as glue (super or high-temp hot glue) can be used to stick the reflector to the bulb ballast later on. A can opener is the preffered tool for this job. The reflector is purposely not covering the ballast to ensure good aeration and to avoid damage to the ballast components, resulting in a short circuit.

Next, you will need to cut the main part of your soda can in half using your scissors. A hole may need to be drilled first using your kitchen knife to get a good starting point for the scissors.

The inside of the can is coated with a thin plastic layer that should not cause any trouble cutting through the sheet metal. The bottom side of the can does not have to remain in place but leaving it will add stability to the reflector and enhance the reflectivity. An extra hole can be cut into the bottom as well to improve ventilation along the bulb or to connect a 50mm pc-fan to the end.

Lastly, two more cuts have to be made into the sides of the semi-circle reflector to ensure that the sides do not reflect the light back to its origin but rather focus it to where it is needed. The reflector can now be bent according to your light requirements thus making it possible to focus it directly on your plants. If your reflector does not quite fit the bulb yet you can now use glue to stick it to the ballast.


HOW DO I MODIFY MY COMPACT FLUORESCENT?

The main advantages of modifying your compact fluorescent are:
· Reduced length of compact fluorescent
· Reduced heat build up (increased air-flow)
· No need for pre-made light sockets, saving you money

There is an even cheaper and more compact solution than to spend the extra cash on unnecessary light sockets and to end up with less usable space due to clumsy fixtures. All these problems can be avoided easily if one knows how to skips wiring a bulb socket and instead going straight to wiring the bulb itself. This requires some adjustments and modifications of the bulb casing but it can be done by simply following the steps provided.

For this example I will use a 23W Phillips fluoro bulb which is ideally used in confined spaces due to its compact size. The following pictures will illustrate the process of re-wiring this bulb and modifying it to meet the requirements of compact size and low cost.

This is the bulb I was referring to (23W, 1500 lumen)
Notice the upside-down “U” shaped tubes. These will require less airflow to cool the bulb as the air can move freely in between the tubes unlike those of conventional stick-like coils.




First, get a good pair of bending or clamping tongs and squeeze them tightly to the round connector plate of your CP fluoro and gently twist it off.

Never twist it off in a COMPLETE circular motion as the wires inside are still attached to the receptor plates and can sometimes break/rip if you apply too much pressure by twisting. Pulling is better than twisting. You will end up with two different wires sticking out the end. In this case, I cut the remaining plastic bit off in order to reduce the overall length of the bulb.

You will need to open the bulb ballast in order to make 2 separate holes in the plastic casing of the bulb for the two wires. This isn't hard at all, you simply need to drive a screwdriver in between the upper and the lower part of the casing and gently push them apart. There will be no glue required to stick them back together as the bulb has a push-slide-lock mechanism that simply snaps them back together. When you open the bulb, you should something similar to this even though not all ballasts are the same, depending on the manufacturer.



Now you need to drill two holes at the appropriate height for the two wires to be pulled through. Since its plastic that isn't all that hard either and can even be done with a pair of scissors.









After that, its just about putting the pieces back together and making sure the wires come through their designated hole. You can use hot glue to hold those wires in place but this is not recommended as the heat in that area of the bulb casing is very intense. Use only High-Temp glue!






If you are short of space or simply want a rigid construction, you can cut the bottom plastic part of the bulb of and use a bigger piece to distribute the weight more evenly. I used med-high temperature translucent hot glue to fit a piece of a 2” black PVC pipe onto the end of the bulb thus completely eliminating the need for a socket. This is just an optional step, as the bulb will hold without the extra support by simply gluing the sawed-off end to the predestined wall.

(ATTENTION: DO NOT USE the regular LOW TEMP Hot glue as it will melt at temperatures above 130 degrees Celsius which the bulb is capable of generating. ONLY, when gluing something DIRECTLY to the bulb casing, USE THE MEDIUM-HIGH temp. Hot glue, which will withstand significantly higher temperatures.)

Voila the final product of which you can wire as many in series or parallel as you desire. You can place these bulbs literally anywhere due their compact size and the low heat production, keeping in mind that the bare minimum between leaf tips and bulb should be 1cm (2/5 of an inch). Anything closer will result in prompt or delayed leaf burn.




This is just an example of how well suited these bulbs are for small spaces such as stealth boxes and small cloning chambers. It also illustrates the importance of ventilation as the smaller the box, the stronger the ventilation has to be to exchange the hot air buildup sufficiently.


This method is ideal for those who wish to wire a number of bulbs without spending even more money on bulb sockets. These might seem cheap when compared to the pricing of the bulb, but in the log run it is better to save a few bucks here and instead invest them in another area of growing or even another bulb. There is no need to have a possibility of replacement as the average lifetime guarantee on these bulbs lie between 10000 and 15000 hours, which means nearly two years of continuous use.

Wiring in CF's parallel:(Image by tipzijuana)




HOW MUCH LIGHT DO I NEED TO VEG CANNABIS PROPERLY?

It all depends on what light you are using, if it’s HID, standard fluoro or compact fluoro (I assume you're not using halogens!). For HID (HPS or MH) lighting, use roughly 30w per square foot, and for flowering use around 60w per square foot. This is merely a guide, your plant, light height; reflective surfaces etc make a huge difference on these numbers. For a small plant, below 1ft tall, I’d say you would need at least 25w of fluorescent light. I find that it isn't at all practical to use tube fluoro’s for the vegetative stage past 6 inches, as only the top of the plant is receiving enough light to carry out photosynthesis properly.

Using an energy saving compact fluoro will help 'push' the light to the base of the plant, assisting photosynthesis. If the plant indicates it needs more light by growing slowly, and with small leaf petioles, you may need more light. Go with the basic rule of keeping the fluoro’s very close, and using roughly 20-30w per square foot for strong vegetative growth. If you can afford to over-light your grow room, why not? You wont regret it when your plant is bushy and healthy. If you feel that you need to only purchase a minimum amount of lights, you probably shouldn’t be growing.

Growing takes effort and money, and if you can't support a plants needs you might as well just forget growing until you can afford a proper setup. Skimping on lights is the biggest mistake a grower can make, because photosynthesis is so important to for a health plant.


THE TRUTH ABOUT WATT RATINGS

When purchasing a compact fluorescent, you will notice that nearly all of them have a larger number on the box, than what it actually is. This number is the lights comparison to the brightness of a standard incandescent globe. Do not be fooled, this does not mean that the light is 100w! It is most likely around 18w.

Now, here is where the myth behind these lights is uncovered. Most people will say that you should totally discard the brightness rating. This is wrong! The brighter a light is, the more penetration it has. With a usual, run-of-the-mill compact fluorescent (say, 15w) it emits only 15w of light with poor penetration. An energy saving compact fluorescent with 15w of light, which is rated to 100w of light, will only emit 15w of light. The difference between the two is, the energy saving light has a much stronger light penetration of the normal one, while still only emitting 15w of light.

This is beneficial to growers because with a larger plant, a normal 15w compact fluoro will sufficiently light one part of the plant, and by the time the light has reached the other side of the plant, so much of the light has been lost that it is barely worth having. With the energy saving compact fluorescents, the light will travel to the other side of the plant, and still have enough intensity for reasonable results.


HANGING YOUR LIGHTS OVER YOUR PLANTS

Keep these lights under a reflector all of the time to concentrate the light onto the plant. Hang them horizontally, as most of the light is given off by the middle of the tubes. Keep them close to the plants. As a general rule of thumb, 1 inch away from the top of the plant is perfect. Any more, and you're wasting your time, and less and you risk burning your plant (although these lights are very cool, it is possible to burn your plant if it touches the light or ballast for an extended period of time). If you're given the option, go for a few compact fluoro’s positioned around the plant, as opposed to 1 strong light at the top. Positioning lights around the plant help stop vertical stretching, and encourage the plant to bush out.


WHY IS A HID "BETTER" THAN A COMPACT FLUORESCENT?

HID lighting is generally accepted as a better light for growing cannabis for a few reasons...
· It has much better light penetration
· It is much more powerful (higher lumen output)
· It is stronger in light spectrums suited for growing plants

What can we do to combat these problems to make the most out of our fluoro’s?

· Use a good reflector. Desk lamp reflectors are perfect, along with coke cans (cut in half from top to bottom).
· Purchase lights with high energy saving capabilities (e.g. high watt ratings)to increase light penetration
· Purchase lights with suitable spectrum strengths for each phase of growing (eg warm white, cool white etc.)
· Keep the lights close to maximize intensity

NOTES:

· For good results, these lights must be used with a good quality reflector. They give of 360 degrees of light (in a 2D cross-section) but you will only really need 90 degrees of light (maximum). Building a reflector will help concentrate all the light to the area needed, instead of wasting it lighting up the ceiling of your grow room!

· Although you can successfully grow and flower a cannabis plant under a fluorescent, your results will be poor and you will most likely be disappointed. Use these lights only for seedlings and clones, and perhaps the vegetative stage of the cycle. A HID light is recommended for flowering.​
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TeaTreeOil

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50-100 actual CFL watts per cubic foot of foliage does quite well.

If you have the cash, get some HO T5s. They last considerably longer and put out a lot of light.
 

tyke1973

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If you have the money for h.p.s and you are gonna try a grow with cfl's you don't need help mate you are a dick pure and simple.
 

TeaTreeOil

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If you have the money for h.p.s and you are gonna try a grow with cfl's you don't need help mate you are a dick pure and simple.
Woah. You found the caps lock key. Good job.

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stoner ste,

Hell yes T5's will be enough for veg. A 4-bulb*54 watt fixture(216W) is around 20,000 lumens(and they start around $150, bulbs probably not included). Similar to a 250w MH. Using 34 less watts, if that matters.
 
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