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I am in a pickle with these lights. I have two 200 true watts at each end with two 300 watts in the middle total of 1000 true wattts from wall on a single plant that is currently at it’s first day of flower hours 12/12. Ok my question is during veg I like the looks of my plants the year prior of the two twos. Four hundred total watts at full spectrum so this year i added some more light total of 1000 watts and I’m only using the veg spectrum because when I flip the switches to full spectrum they look depressed and wilt. Not wilt but droop. So my question is if I wait a little while longer until there is some more flowers on them to switch the spectrum to full will that hurt the outcome of my plants. Or should I switch spectrum now and they will get used to that intensity of light. Oventualy. ??? Excuse my spelling
 

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MissinThe90’sStrains said:
Too much light will hurt and/or stunt your plant. Are you positive that you've got 1000 true watts on her? If so, that’s definitely overkill.
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Actually it’s 1350 from the wall but the fans take up some of the watts yeah bro I’m not that much of a newbie. But at first when I bout my first led four year back yes i was that guy thinking my 120 watt led was actually a thousand lmaooo. China. Gotta lovem
 
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Clutches said:
Actually it’s 1350 from the wall but the fans take up some of the watts yeah bro I’m not that much of a newbie. But at first when I bout my first led four year back yes i was that guy thinking my 120 watt led was actually a thousand lmaooo. China. Gotta lovem
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So you think the spectrum of just white and green and lime light is not good enough for flowering or do I have to flip the switches to turn the full spectrum on
 
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I would remove 1 of the lights and spread the other 3 out evenly spaced, and flip the bloom switches for full spectrum in flower. There’s a lot of overlapping light hitting that plant, and it may be too much.
 
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dwc420letsgo said:
plants don’t take in watts. What is your ppfd at the top of the canopy or your DLI?
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I don’t have a meter to test par at the moment and the app’s really are no better than the back of my hand. I reckon. I just want three a light lol. But at the end of the day I think I’m looking at grams not pounds
 
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HydroKid239 said:
I would remove 1 of the lights and spread the other 3 out evenly spaced, and flip the bloom switches for full spectrum in flower. There’s a lot of overlapping light hitting that plant, and it may be too much.
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Hey brother. I sent your message to other guy. My bad. But hey man very good advice not sure why I couldn’t think of that. But yo. Should I turn off one of the two hundred or one of the three hundred watt lights. And Preciate you taking the time to answer me brudda
 
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Clutches said:
I don’t have a meter to test par at the moment and the app’s really are no better than the back of my hand. I reckon. I just want three a light lol. But at the end of the day I think I’m looking at grams not pounds
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You would be amazed how little light and nutrients needed to produce alot of pot. Dial it all to a minimum and move it up as the plants react. It is just a weed and really only requires a minimum of everything to survive. More plants on here die from too much love than too little
 
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dwc420letsgo said:
plants don’t take in watts. What is your ppfd at the top of the canopy or your DLI?
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Clutches said:
Well said sir thank you for the advice.
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Question sir. Would the two three hundred watt lights be adequate for flower you think I mean I know they would but
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Boatguy said:
You would be amazed how little light and nutrients needed to produce alot of pot. Dial it all to a minimum and move it up as the plants react. It is just a weed and really only requires a minimum of everything to survive. More plants on here die from too much love than too little
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boat guy well said my friend. Fr.
a question though what do you think two three hundred watt lights would do u think they would be ok for flowering with just six hundred watts
 
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Clutches said:
I am in a pickle with these lights. I have two 200 true watts at each end with two 300 watts in the middle total of 1000 true wattts from wall on a single plant that is currently at it’s first day of flower hours 12/12. Ok my question is during veg I like the looks of my plants the year prior of the two twos. Four hundred total watts at full spectrum so this year i added some more light total of 1000 watts and I’m only using the veg spectrum because when I flip the switches to full spectrum they look depressed and wilt. Not wilt but droop. So my question is if I wait a little while longer until there is some more flowers on them to switch the spectrum to full will that hurt the outcome of my plants. Or should I switch spectrum now and they will get used to that intensity of light. Oventualy. ??? Excuse my spelling
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The spectrum that you use will tend to influence the "morphology" of the plant vs the amount of light you give a plant will tend to influence how much the plant will grow.

A plant with a lot of "veg" light (blue) will tend to be short and compact with lots of small leaves but if you don't give it much light, it will tend to stretch to get more light and will have fewer leaves that are larger in size.

Trade off #1.

From the pictures you've posted, you're using a very high hang height which will reduce the PPFD that you're getting but it will increase how even the light is spread across the grow area.

Trade off #2

If you refuse to use a meter of some kind measure the amount of light that you're getting on your canopy, that will make it harder to understand how to arrange your lights so the size and, perhaps, quality of your crop will be reduced.

Trade off #3.
 
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Clutches said:
boat guy well said my friend. Fr.
a question though what do you think two three hundred watt lights would do u think they would be ok for flowering with just six hundred watts
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I have a 3x3 with a light capable of 320w. I rarely turn it above 250. That is draw from the wall, not a manufacturers claim of wattage
Your mileage may vary
 
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Boatguy said:
I have a 3x3 with a light capable of 320w. I rarely turn it above 250. That is draw from the wall, not a manufacturers claim of wattage
Your mileage may vary
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My manufacturer claims that I have between the four of them all together twelve thousand lmfaooooo and I’m not bullshiting you bubba china has their numbers on point. But it’s more like one thousand all together not sure why 220 is 2000 in China. But a few years ago I was sold on them like Holly smokes they given them watts away
 
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Delps8 said:
If you refuse to use a meter of some kind measure the amount of light that you're getting on your canopy, that will make it harder to understand how to arrange your lights so the size and, perhaps, quality of your crop will be reduced.

Trade off #3.
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This is totally unnecessary. You do not need a lux meter or an app or anything like that for a successful grow. Leds at this point are so close in output that 35w per square/ft is really all you need. Dim up or down accordingly based on how the plants are doing
 
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Boatguy said:
This is totally unnecessary. You do not need a lux meter or an app or anything like that for a successful grow. Leds at this point are so close in output that 35w per square/ft is really all you need. Dim up or down accordingly based on how the plants are doing
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It is literally that simple, but we make it way too difficult for ourselves that is good advice and why do I still think I can get more out of them.
 
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Clutches said:
My manufacturer claims that I have between the four of them all together twelve thousand lmfaooooo and I’m not bullshiting you bubba china has their numbers on point. But it’s more like one thousand all together not sure why 220 is 2000 in China. But a few years ago I was sold on them like Holly smokes they given them watts away
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Get a watt meter from home depot to see what the draw actually is. That is a worthwhile purchase
 
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Delps8 said:
The spectrum that you use will tend to influence the "morphology" of the plant vs the amount of light you give a plant will tend to influence how much the plant will grow.

A plant with a lot of "veg" light (blue) will tend to be short and compact with lots of small leaves but if you don't give it much light, it will tend to stretch to get more light and will have fewer leaves that are larger in size.

Trade off #1.

From the pictures you've posted, you're using a very high hang height which will reduce the PPFD that you're getting but it will increase how even the light is spread across the grow area.

Trade off #2

If you refuse to use a meter of some kind measure the amount of light that you're getting on your canopy, that will make it harder to understand how to arrange your lights so the size and, perhaps, quality of your crop will be reduced.

Trade off #3.
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Thank you for taking the time to give me the good advice I know you are right. I just don’t have the extra resources at the time I also have the old school lights like high discharge and hps. But the heat they produce is equivalent to all the leds I own.
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