Lollipopping ( Any Scientific Evidence? )

Ninjabowler

Ninjabowler

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Uncle Ben said:
Perhaps, but even if I (or you) did based on some cherry picked small area of a garden with a photo angle down the row as opposed to directly overhead which will make the subject up front appear bigger..... it might be because:

1. You have an expectation based a belief system that there will be positive results contrary to botanical facts,

2. You have assumed incorrectly, that popcorn buds sometimes found at lower levels are directly related to light levels/intensity,

3. You have developed one or more hypotheses, or educated guesses, to explain this phenomenon.

You are not using nor do you understand a scientific approach as has been pointed out. It's all conjecture, hearsay, and seeing what you want to see.

"4.1 Principles of experimentation

Almost all experiments involve the three basic principles, viz., randomization, replication and local control. These three principles are, in a way, complementary to each other in trying to increase the accuracy of the experiment and to provide a valid test of significance, retaining at the same time the distinctive features of their roles in any experiment"
http://www.fao.org/docrep/003/X6831E/X6831E07.htm


Uncle Ben
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seeing what i want to see? taking pictures to make buds look bigger? they're pictures you blubbering fool, you can't fake a picture, what the fuck are you talking about? look at them. They can't lie because they can't talk or type. They are 100% fact, you know what facts are right? Those things you refuse to believe :lol:
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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Ninjabowler said:
from a friend of mine named Ricky Bobby, and i talked to heartland hank about it back in the day, HH taught me about lolly popping and showed me how to do it. Really nice guy, i miss that dude.
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Heartland learned about using only grow nutes from UB I believe. I could be wrong, But I think I remember that. It could have been ricky bobby, He also recommends some shake and bake in your soil.
 
Ninjabowler

Ninjabowler

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chuck estevez said:
Heartland learned about using only grow nutes from UB I believe. I could be wrong, But I think I remember that. It could have been ricky bobby, He also recommends some shake and bake in your soil.
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lmfao, yea that fucker Ricky Bobby! I gave him some clones and that donkey fluffer grew them bigger than mine which were the same damn age. So in the spirit of if your not first your last, I bought the same nutrients he uses, and better lights and ballasts :D
 
a mongo frog

a mongo frog

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Ninjabowler said:
seeing what i want to see? taking pictures to make buds look bigger? they're pictures you blubbering fool, you can't fake a picture, what the fuck are you talking about? look at them. They can't lie because they can't talk or type. They are 100% fact, you know what facts are right? Those things you refuse to believe :lol:
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he's never had a medical grow before from what i understand. never had his meds in a dispensary from what i also understand. you heard how angry he got when a few post back he blew up in anger. he can't show you eveidence of if one doesn't lollipop your flowers will be better. he's fucking angry inside man. such a sad thing to see. I've prayed for him but its not working. he need more prayer, mine alone is not helping.
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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a mongo frog said:
he's never had a medical grow before from what i understand. never had his meds in a dispensary from what i also understand. you heard how angry he got when a few post back he blew up in anger. he can't show you eveidence of if one doesn't lollipop your flowers will be better. he's fucking angry inside man. such a sad thing to see. I've prayed for him but its not working. he need more prayer, mine alone is not helping.
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Just throwing this out there. Since when did dispensary workers become experts on Weed? That's like saying the teenager at mcdonalds is an expert on hamburgers. Also, we all know that dispensaries don't always have the best bud and the customers will believe anything. You call it a good enough name and they will buy some nasty shwag. As far as UB's anger, that's on him. carry on
 
a mongo frog

a mongo frog

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chuck estevez said:
Just throwing this out there. Since when did dispensary workers become experts on Weed? That's like saying the teenager at mcdonalds is an expert on hamburgers. Also, we all know that dispensaries don't always have the best bud and the customers will believe anything. You call it a good enough name and they will buy some nasty shwag. As far as UB's anger, that's on him. carry on
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good points i know what your saying. there is some very fine meds at the dispensaries in california. you guys know that.
 
TexasHank

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Ninjabowler said:
from a friend of mine named Ricky Bobby, and i talked to heartland hank about it back in the day, HH taught me about lolly popping and showed me how to do it. Really nice guy, i miss that dude.
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Hey NinjaBowler. Hope all is well with you brother.

I remove the lower bud sites of some plants in flower, but not the leaves attached to them. I do not remove any fan leaves, ever.
Also, it depends on the genetics.. for example, my Green Crack, I will remove quite a few lower bud sites.. I also remove the lowest branches that will not break the canopy, I do that in veg.. I will remove bud sites along the lower branches (but leave the leaves) to encourage those lower branches to really take off and break the canopy. I stop doing this by the end of wk 2. I think yield is not hurt, I think. I believe that the very small amount of photosynthesis that is lost (due to the small leaves on little lower bud sites being removed) does not hurt my yield much. But, I believe that I am losing some of the plants ability to produce photosynthesis, as small as it is..

My Killing Fields plant though... no need to remove any bud sites.. this plant is fantastic about maturing evenly and producing highly marketable buds.. whether it is at the top with tons of light or a couple inches off of the soil line and heavily shaded. They are all the same density, smell, taste, everything. No leaves removed on this plant either.

Basically, I think my method of "lollipopping" works well with productive branching type plants.. like Skunk, Green Crack, Sweet Tooth... those productive branching type plants..

I think removing bud sites can be a valuable tool. But I also believe that when you remove green from the plant you are taking away its ability to perform photosynthesis. So I leave the leaves attached to the node but carefully cut out the bud site with a razor blade or just pinch it out with my fingers.

I have tons of respect for UB.. I have learned more from UB than any other person on these MJ sites. I consider UB to be a master of botany, and a friend.
If UB says my technique with GC is hurting my yields, then I would believe him. If I remember right, he once told me that since I leave the leaves attached to the bud site on the plant that the harm is minimal. Something like that.. I could be wrong though.

If I ever told you remove a leaf then I apologize, I lead you wrong. I'm still learning this game myself. There was a short time that I did remove the leaf attached to the bud site. But that was before we ever talked.. I think I was hurting my plants ability to fill the canopy, produce buds, everything.
 
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Ninjabowler

Ninjabowler

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TexasHank said:
Hey NinjaBowler. Hope all is well with you brother.

I remove the lower bud sites of some plants in flower, but not the leaves attached to them. I do not remove any fan leaves, ever.
Also, it depends on the genetics.. for example, my Green Crack, I will remove quite a few lower bud sites.. I also remove the lowest branches that will not break the canopy, I do that in veg.. I will remove bud sites along the lower branches (but leave the leaves) to encourage those lower branches to really take off and break the canopy. I stop doing this by the end of wk 2. I think yield is not hurt, I think. I believe that the very small amount of photosynthesis that is lost (due to the small leaves on little lower bud sitesbeing removed) does not hurt my yield much. But, I agree that I am losing some of the plants ability to produce photosynthesis, as small as it is..

My Killing Fields plant though... no need to remove any bud sites.. this plant is fantastic about maturing evenly and producing highly marketable buds.. whether it is at the top with tons of light or a couple inches off of the soil line and heavily shaded. They are all the same density, smell, taste, everything. No leaves removed on this plant either.

Basically, I think my method of "lollipopping" works well with productive branching type plants.. like Skunk, Green Crack, Sweet Tooth... those productive branching type plants.. that is what I am used to growing.

I think removing bud sites can be a valuable tool. But I also believe that when you remove a leaf from the plant you are taking away its ability to perform photosynthesis. So I leave the leaves attached to the node but carefully cut out the bud site with a razor blade or just pinch it out with my fingers.

I have tons of respect for UB.. I have learned more from UB than any other person on these MJ sites. I consider UB to be a master of botany, and a friend.
If UB says my technique with GC is hurting my yields, then I would believe him. If I remember right, he once told me that since I leave the leaves attached to the bud site on the plant that the harm is minimal. Something like that..

If I ever told you remove a leaf then I apologize, I lead you wrong. I'm still learning this game myself. There was a time that I did remove the leaf attached to the bud site but I learned not to do that in one of these threads.. from UB, probably, I forget.
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I actually really like that idea. Thats an amazing idea, and one that i would gladly try and put to the test. Good to see you again brother and thanks for the advice in the past.
 
Ninjabowler

Ninjabowler

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its the best of both worlds. Theres fireworks going off in my head as we speak. Im very excited to try this technique.
 
Cannasutraorganics

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image.jpg image.jpg I lollipop and defoliate. I know I get more yield and bigger buds. Every strain is different. Some you take as early as 20 days and other all the way till 40 days. If new to this and have a room of them, do them at different times to figure out which way is best. That's all I did. And still do for every new strain I do.
This is Sunset Sherbet.
 
bud nugbong

bud nugbong

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Uncle Ben said:
I also grow "in a hole" and my plants don't look like that. They are fuller with fat green leaves all the way to the ground and the yields are high. You have not mastered something. Whatever it is or a combination thereof I don't have a clue.
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you talk a lot, I havnt seen shit
 
Uncle Ben

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Ninjabowler said:
Thats funny that he did just what you said he would :lol: like you had him on puppet strings :lol: And now that you mention it, the only plant I've ever seen from ben is a horrible looking sativa in a wheelbarrow that looked like the worst weed I've ever seen in my life. the plant was grown nicely and looked healthy but it really looked like some landrace schwag.
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You are like most noobs who have been sucked into the big cola mutt hype with some cute name that sucks in the kids, never grown a real sativa and wouldn't know what to do with it if you did, and certainly haven't grown outdoors. If you had any outdoors growing experience you wouldn't be trumpeting some stupid forum paradigm about popcorn buds presenting themselves because of a lack of light....you'd know better. You'd also garnish my respect.

Again, my red sig applies to the T.

Speaking of your attempt at Snootie Pot Nirvana I also have posted quite a few pictures of outdoor grown TFD O. Haze, 7' tall plants. Where have you been, hanging out with the other dimwitted bros? And for the record, the O. Haze that I grew is the real haze, not some sucker bet knockoff with indica that is not true to form. You tell me what the original Haze was. What's the genetic makeup of the real Haze?

Uncle Ben
 
Uncle Ben

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Ninjabowler said:
.... and i talked to heartland hank about it back in the day, HH taught me about lolly popping and showed me how to do it. Really nice guy, i miss that dude.
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Really? Do I have to raise the BULLSHIT flag again? Being that I know him personally, hosted him on my farm, I'm going to email him at the Riddle site (where all the "gurus" moved to) and verify what you say. And for the record, Heartland Hank is the ONLY cannabis forum member that has met me personally. Here's just part of the banter between us at my Riddle home my thread called "Plants and Stuff". Hmmmm, I see where I need to respond to his new post.....

HH:
"Thanks again for everything I had a damn good time, learned a whole lot. You gave me some ideas with the horticulture biz that I would have NEVER thought of. I am anxious to get my first box of Cypress starts.. I'll get you that Tequila list from the in laws.. I'll be seeing them this wknd.

Let's do that again soon, at your convenience. . If you need a hand with anything don't hesitate. I am happy to do even the roughest work just for the experience.. Learn a thing or two..

It was great to meet you.. Good to know you're not only a horticulture guru, but a damn good guy too. Opening up your place like that to me.. was the highlight of my summer. Also an inspiration to step it up, work harder towards my goals, maybe have a place like that of my own some day."

Me: "Hank, I too had a good time. "Highlight of your summer" is pretty strong. Thanks man!
Yeah, we'll do it again. BTW, reason why you saw little fruit hanging in the greenhouse was because of the really weird long winter. What should have bloomed, didn't. Next year.... Forgot to show you the plumerias. "

Along with about a thousand pots, Bonzi, Forbid 4F, Keyplex, Hank got Dalat beans. Those are pure sativa from Vietnam just in case someone is not familiar with them.

Speaking of Dalat, gonna call this schwag too? I'll take the time to educate you. This is what all pure sativas look like, including mine. I gifted Cruz at the Riddle site with Dalat beans and other rare goodies, and here's shots Oct. 2. It outgrew his greenhouse and is now growing outdoors in a pot - 8' tall.

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^ That is the flowering structure of sativas. I also recently posted photos of Zamal I grew. Same structure.

Uncle Ben
 
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Hydroburn

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skip to 5:20... it is well known indoors that the lower nugs need supplemental lighting or they turn out fluffy/shitty. It doesn't matter how old you are, how many pounds of potatos you can grow, or how many Ed Rosenthal books you have from 1970.... you cannot fuck with math (light spread/fall off).

"...every thousand watts of under-lighting I add, I get about another 1 pound of weight, and I don't have to lollipop."
 
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