Look up at the sky...Is that a cloud? Is that a contrail?

Meowlistenhere said:

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I have not seen the second video you posted. Like I said, any little thing we can do to raise awareness is vital at this point. If some of us do not want to go out handing flyers, then you can still help from home by simply calling agencies that are related to this issue and ask questions and make statements about what you are observing and know. Thanks again, I really hope we all wake up and act in time as things are only bound to get uglier than they already are.
The Bundy Ranch incident should be an example to us all, (as well as other events) that we can indeed unite and make a positive impact.

sunny747 said:

What is funny is that people I talk to act like it is preposterous to even suggest that the US .and UN may be geoengineering the planet. Why does that sound cray?

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It sounds crazy to me because I worked for the government. All these crazy ass theories give our government FAR too much g'damn credit. They are NOT that competent. Period.

Chem trails!?

Jeezus fuckin' christ people, you can't be THAT stupid.

Open up a science book and learn about contrails before you give yourself an aneurysm.

Here's a pic of some B-17's making "chem trails" during WW II.

Have you seen the video I posted or the inside of the planes that spray? JFC you should speak about what you do know and edumacate yourself.

Btw you can work for the government and clean city parks and shitters so wth does that mean slappy?

Wilksey said:

It sounds crazy to me because I worked for the government. All these crazy ass theories give our government FAR too much g'damn credit. They are NOT that competent. Period.

Chem trails!?

Jeezus fuckin' christ people, you can't be THAT stupid.

Open up a science book and learn about contrails before you give yourself an aneurysm.

Here's a pic of some B-17's making "chem trails" during WW II.

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I would think that the cannabis community would be bound to research various issues due to the numerous lies and propaganda it has faced. Apart from that, science is observation, question, hypothesis, experiment, and conclusion. Like I said before, I have done the first three.
But I do not want you to believe me, research it for yourself. Maybe, you will come across whistleblowers and scientists that have worked for the government before. You might wanna search 'geoengineering' as 'chemtrails' brings up sites that sometimes are not very truthful.
I know what a contrail is and what it is not as I observe the skies quite often.
You bring up WWII, since we are on that topic, you should look up "Operation Popeye". You should also look at post #12. I will post the link again for your convenience
http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf

Again, geoengineering is not a proposal, and many events, and patents just further prove that.
Much information (mainly videos) regarding facts and the people pushing geoengineering has been posted here to further assist you in the search.
I too am guilty of being oblivious to the fact, even after it snowed for ~30min in my area ~2 years ago and it has never happened. I too am guilty of being oblivious to the fact, after spending most of the day outside since the age of 10 (I am 23 now).
Like I have said before, I at least have the choice whether or not to consume a product but this is the air a breathe every single second.

The patents say it all.

Wilksey said:

It sounds crazy to me because I worked for the government. All these crazy ass theories give our government FAR too much g'damn credit. They are NOT that competent. Period.

Chem trails!?

Jeezus fuckin' christ people, you can't be THAT stupid.

Open up a science book and learn about contrails before you give yourself an aneurysm.

Here's a pic of some B-17's making "chem trails" during WW II.

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Also, as much as I want to insult people I do not as I understand what it is to be oblivious to the fact. As all this is very well orchestrated. We are already seeing environmental and health effects increase. "Chemtrails" are just a fraction to what geoengineering encompasses. If there is a video I would like you to see, based on your comment, is this one. There is only one explanation to it, and I think you know the answer.

SoCal SkyWatch

Wilksey said:

It sounds crazy to me because I worked for the government. All these crazy ass theories give our government FAR too much g'damn credit. They are NOT that competent. Period.

Chem trails!?

Jeezus fuckin' christ people, you can't be THAT stupid.

Open up a science book and learn about contrails before you give yourself an aneurysm.

Here's a pic of some B-17's making "chem trails" during WW II.

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If that video still does not intrigue you, maybe this one will. I must say I am amazed she even spoke about it. What I find more amazing is that she directed the caller to the documentary 'What in the World Are They Spraying?'. Like I said, aerosol spraying is only part of it. Look up an independent youtube channel 'WeatherWar101'. There might be many reasons why they are spraying, but what we do know is that it is only making things worse in all aspects.

April,28,2014 PHONE CALL TO E.P.A.

ULEN said:

There is only one explanation to it, and I think you know the answer.

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Yes, I agree, there's only ONE answer.

CONTRAILS.

Use your head dude, those are FIGHTERS, not cargo birds, and certainly not tanker birds. Why in THE hell would "they" use fighters to do what tankers could do better? I stated before that our government isn't competent enough to carry out some crazy chemtrail scheme without getting busted for it, but they aren't SO incompetent that they'd use FIGHTERS instead of KC-10 tankers, or another far more appropriate and efficient bird.

Don't fall for the bullshit dude.

Wilksey said:

Yes, I agree, there's only ONE answer.

CONTRAILS.

Use your head dude, those are FIGHTERS, not cargo birds, and certainly not tanker birds. Why in THE hell would "they" use fighters to do what tankers could do better? I stated before that our government isn't competent enough to carry out some crazy chemtrail scheme without getting busted for it, but they aren't SO incompetent that they'd use FIGHTERS instead of KC-10 tankers, or another far more appropriate and efficient bird.

Don't fall for the bullshit dude.

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After all the evidence, I posted that 'they' provided and done, that is your answer? I was not aware you can turn on and off contrails which are caused by atmospheric conditions and even at the most extreme last about a minute. Also, that is only ONE video which happened to have those type of airplanes. There is a few videos on here also of David Keith, one of the mad scientist. Its like you didn't even watch the videos or read what I (or anybody) wrote.

You have not said what government job you did, which is fine. I'm not claiming to be better than anyone but I will say it again that my area of focus in college was/is Horticulture, minoring in Auto. Tech. I have taken a lot of agriculture courses along with many sciences. Also, I was a part of a recruitment in science education program for a little over 4 years. As I have said before, never did I think English courses would play a huge role in my daily life with regards to finding credible sources and critical thinking. What I'm trying to say is that I feel as if I have a responsibility to better the environment and I'm not some 'idiot kid'.
We would all love for all this to be one big fictitious story but we must face reality. I hope you look into it some more as there is vast amount of information on this thread. You don't even have to sit through an hour long video, just watch 10 minutes here and there as I know we all live busy lifestyles now a days.

Wilksey said:

It sounds crazy to me because I worked for the government. All these crazy ass theories give our government FAR too much g'damn credit. They are NOT that competent. Period.

Chem trails!?

Jeezus fuckin' christ people, you can't be THAT stupid.

Open up a science book and learn about contrails before you give yourself an aneurysm.

Here's a pic of some B-17's making "chem trails" during WW II.

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I'm pretty tired of people swearing at me on this forum. Any way...
Yes, planes do make contrails. Especially military planes. We are not debating that. What we are debating are the causes of "persistent contrails". I have read all of the reports on both sides. I don't claim to know the truth. Until you have lived in an area and seen the sky turn milky white a person just can't understand. I live in one of these area.
There is a ton of research and trials going on all to do with geoengineering and slowing climate change. Many of these experiments are well known and well documented. Scientists are dumping iron into the oceans by the ton to help the plankton and algae. Many companies and individuals have gone rogue and started performing these tests on their own without government approval. To me, it's not out of the question that some planes are experimenting with solar reflection.
Geoengineering is becoming a mainstream topic. It's slowly leaking into the mainstream media and many top government organizations are holding forums and considering legislation on this topic.

This is the best presentation I have seen. It's from a guy at NASA. I'm not through with it yet, but it actually began to make me a believer in climate change which is a huge jump.
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/29293171

Wilksey said:

Yes, I agree, there's only ONE answer.

CONTRAILS.

Use your head dude, those are FIGHTERS, not cargo birds, and certainly not tanker birds. Why in THE hell would "they" use fighters to do what tankers could do better? I stated before that our government isn't competent enough to carry out some crazy chemtrail scheme without getting busted for it, but they aren't SO incompetent that they'd use FIGHTERS instead of KC-10 tankers, or another far more appropriate and efficient bird.

Don't fall for the bullshit dude.

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What thin air did you pull that quote from?

Wilksey said:

Yes, I agree, there's only ONE answer.

CONTRAILS.

Use your head dude, those are FIGHTERS, not cargo birds, and certainly not tanker birds. Why in THE hell would "they" use fighters to do what tankers could do better? I stated before that our government isn't competent enough to carry out some crazy chemtrail scheme without getting busted for it, but they aren't SO incompetent that they'd use FIGHTERS instead of KC-10 tankers, or another far more appropriate and efficient bird.

Don't fall for the bullshit dude.

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You mentioned KC-10 tankers...well...
Skip to 1:40 if you want to hear the pilots themselves speak about it.

sunny747 said:

I'm pretty tired of people swearing at me on this forum. Any way...
Yes, planes do make contrails. Especially military planes. We are not debating that. What we are debating are the causes of "persistent contrails". I have read all of the reports on both sides. I don't claim to know the truth. Until you have lived in an area and seen the sky turn milky white a person just can't understand. I live in one of these area.
There is a ton of research and trials going on all to do with geoengineering and slowing climate change. Many of these experiments are well known and well documented. Scientists are dumping iron into the oceans by the ton to help the plankton and algae. Many companies and individuals have gone rogue and started performing these tests on their own without government approval. To me, it's not out of the question that some planes are experimenting with solar reflection.
Geoengineering is becoming a mainstream topic. It's slowly leaking into the mainstream media and many top government organizations are holding forums and considering legislation on this topic.

This is the best presentation I have seen. It's from a guy at NASA. I'm not through with it yet, but it actually began to make me a believer in climate change which is a huge jump.
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/29293171

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I was out in the streets doing my part to raise awareness for 2 hours today. It is a heavy spray day, as have been the last two days but nothing compared to today. I noticed that one of the aerosol trails had a red hue as well as a blue hue to it. There was many near it, as well as on the same path, but it was the only aerosol trail that had those hues.

I skipped to the last 30 min and there was some very interesting points. One of them being over population. I first didn't believe that (wanting to reduce the pop.), but I'm sure they know the harms of spraying oxides in the atmosphere that are not naturally found there and that "what goes up, must come down".
Another interesting point brought up, is how to fix the problem. I did a project for my botany class regarding phytoremediation, by using salicornia virginica and studying the rate of absorbtion/uptake of salts. Phytoremediation would be the healthiest choice, but I do not know if it might be a realistic one, still need to do some more research on that matter.
That again brings me to over population, there is as many cars on the road daily as there is people. As well as other forms of contributing to the pollution. And again, spraying oxides in the atmosphere does not help as it destroys the atmosphere, falls and contaminates everything and everybody.
We need to make a dramatic impact and soon.

Here are some pics. Started off as a beautiful day. Ended up not so great. I know for sure that this is a form of pollution the same way scientists criticize "light pollution". Other than that I can't really say what it is. I pay a bundle to live in SoCal where the weather is nice. In my mind the airlines owe me money.

My Dad sent me this from PA today. I laughed and told him that "either he gets an "A" or they are trying to tell him something"

If I drove a Mack Truck around all day and clouds of water vapor streamed from the back do you think I would get any complaints or possibly a ticket? I guarantee I would. Why is it ok for modern airliners to do this.

So, you can honestly say that while growing up you remember planes creating clouds that cover the sky? I know we liked to look at the clouds and imagine what they look like. Now we look at persistent contrails. There is no way this has always been common. it's like cancer now. it's an every day occurrence.

And that image inconsiderate. It's the same old internet-hide-behind-your-pc-and say-rude-things. If someone has a serious question or concern just call them crazy or stupid and they'll go away. I guarantee I understand the formation of contrails better than you.

I wasn't going to reply but I am very compassionate. But can you do a little bit of research before you post a comment as I can see you have plenty of time to look through memes.
And being 'scared' or being in denial isn't going to fix anything, which is why I chose to raise awareness and do something about it.

sunny747 said:

If I drove a Mack Truck around all day and clouds of water vapor streamed from the back do you think I would get any complaints or possibly a ticket? I guarantee I would. Why is it ok for modern airliners to do this.

So, you can honestly say that while growing up you remember planes creating clouds that cover the sky? I know we liked to look at the clouds and imagine what they look like. Now we look at persistent contrails. There is no way this has always been common. it's like cancer now. it's an every day occurrence.

And that image inconsiderate. It's the same old internet-hide-behind-your-pc-and say-rude-things. If someone has a serious question or concern just call them crazy or stupid and they'll go away. I guarantee I understand the formation of contrails better than you.

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In a 'perfect world', a combustion engine is supposed to only release CO2 and H2O, but that is not the case. Funny that you mention about the cloud shapes, as I thought of using that in an argument once.
Also, you mentioned something about airlines. What I have noticed is that the few times I have checked the flight radar, there is not even a plane on the radar going from west to east, etc. I have seen smaller planes on the radar, and once I saw a larger plane but the radar showed a different path from what I saw in person. Another thing to mention, is that this is a global issue as other places around the globe have been seeing the same aerosol trails related to geoengineering. Also, I like to think that those 'A' and 'X' aerosol trails is a way for the pilots to tell us something is going on, but who knows.

While out on the streets raising awareness the other day, I met a person that is pretty passionate about helping the community as well as the environment. He has more experience than me with regards to being an activist. We have been brainstorming on how to raise awareness and have the community involved. As being aware/educated is the first step and then once we have that we have to take appropriate action.
Again, I do not want anybody to take my word for it but do some thorough research prior to making a comment.