Looking for advice for my first run on a new LPA set up

xthursdayx

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Hi folks, I'm hoping to get some general advice for my first grow in a long time, and my first hydroponic grow in general. Many years ago I grew in soil, but things have changed so much since then I feel like a noob all over again.

I have a small grow space with a 32"x32"x63" tent. Because I'm a nerd and I like to make things more complicated than they have to be, I built a DIY low pressure aeroponic system for the space using a heavy duty 45-liter/12-gallon tote. The tote has four 5" net pots in the lid, however, I'd like to use this system for my plants' full life cycle, so I may only use two of the pots to ensure that they have enough space. Under the lid is a 2" PVC spray manifold with ten EZ Clone sprayers (eight 180° and two 360°) connected to an EcoPlus 396-gph pump inside a miro-filter bag. I have a cycle timer that will run the pump 1 minute on/5 minutes off. There will probably be about 4.5 gallons of water in the system when in use.

The spray manifold sits at the top of the tote, just under the lid, which will hopefully give the lid some extra support when the plants get bigger. Because of this, the sprayers are actually on the bottom side of the manifold, but I don't think this will be an issue since they're still near the top of the tote and will be spraying the net pots and the tops of the roots, allowing water and nutrient to run down from the top. In terms of nutrients, I have GH MaxiGrow and MaxiBloom, and the space is being lit by a 240w 288v2 quantum board LED light (from Shenzen Meijiu). I'm using de-chlorinated tap water pH adjusted to 6 and planning on changing out the water entirely every 1-2 weeks. Right now the tent is sitting at around 70-75F (with a heating pad running at 78F under a 10-20 seed tray) and ~20% humidity. I added an open bucket of water to bring the humidity up to ~40-45%.

I have two feminized White Widow seedlings about ready to go into the system, so I wanted to get some final advice before jumping in. After lurking on RIU for quite a while, I've learned a lot, but there is still much I don't know. I've seen that some folks here have experience with LPA systems, in addition to hydroponics in general, so I'd love to hear your thoughts.

In general, any advice on running a system like this would be amazing. I'm not even totally sure about fairly simple things, such as whether I will need to check my reservoir pH every day or if can get away with checking every 2-3 days (or less).

My most specific concerns at this point are about:
  1. Nutrients - is the Maxi-series a good choice, in general, and specifically for this system? Will I need to additional supplementary nutrients? I know that CalMag might be necessary. What concentration should the plants be getting? I know that it depends on the plants' phase of life, but I've heard of people suggesting PPM ranging from 200-600.
  2. Reservoir temperature - I live in Canada, but my apartment doesn't have central AC, so I am a bit worried about the water heating up too much during the summer and causing pathenogens to grow. I will try the frozen water bottle trick if necessary, so we'll see how it goes.
  3. Root rot and water health - I am not sure if I should add hydrogen peroxide or a microbe product like Hydroguard (though not Hydroguard because it's crazy expensive here in CA) immideatly in order to avoid root rot and keep my resevoir healthly. What is the best (inexpensive) solution for this scale?
  4. Reservoir size - Will this 12-gallon tote be big enough to support two 3-4'-tall plants? I already built this system, but I recently found a 102-liter/27-gallon tote that will fit in my tent with only about 1" of height loss. Is it worth the extra money to build this bigger system with 4-6 five or six inch net pot sites and a few more sprayers, or should I just go with this smaller one for now?
  5. $ and availability - I just want to take the best care of my plants possible without breaking the bank. Unfortunately, many commonly suggested products are either not availabel in Cananda or super expensive.
Thanks for the help! I'll update with some pics as the grow progresses.
 

Airwalker16

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I'll tell you right now that the frozen water bottle "trick" is tedious and annoying. You can easily find a used chiller in Canada with all the growing going on up there. Hop on your local Craigslist or similar site and search aquarium/hydroponic water chillers. Chillers are THEE BEST.
 

Renfro

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I'll tell you right now that the frozen water bottle "trick" is tedious and annoying. You can easily find a used chiller in Canada with all the growing going on up there. Hop on your local Craigslist or similar site and search aquarium/hydroponic water chillers. Chillers are THEE BEST.
Chillers are commonly used for aquarium setups. Thats a good place to start looking.
 

Renfro

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I have a friend who jack hammered out part of his basement floor and put his plant buckets, reservoir and plumbing between them in the ground to help keep it cool. Worked like a charm. He also gained ceiling height.

Gotta make sure you don't hammer into existing plumbing though LoL.
 

thenasty1

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1-any nutrients will work when applied at the correct rate and elemental ppm. if you are using tap water you might be able to get away with no additional calcium or magnesium. get a copy of your citys water analysis to confirm
2-i have ran lpa setups with pretty hot (74+) water successfully. my roots looked like shit, but somehow results and yields were good. i run a ton of bennies though. for a system the size of yours, you can probably get the job done with a 1/10 hp chiller if you want to go that route. fwiw i run a chiller currently (in rdwc), temps set to 69-70, with bennies. roots look good, water is still warm enough for bennies to live
3-look into southern ag garden friendly fungicide. same bacillus strain as hydroguard, much more cost effective
4- the bigger your res, the better. if your system is already constructed, consider running a top off barrel/res (outside of the tent if possible) with a float valve connected to your main system
5- maxi series dry stuff is pretty cheap i think, and is available on amazon. same with the gff i mentioned above. you might also want to look into megacrop
 

Airwalker16

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1-any nutrients will work when applied at the correct rate and elemental ppm. if you are using tap water you might be able to get away with no additional calcium or magnesium. get a copy of your citys water analysis to confirm
2-i have ran lpa setups with pretty hot (74+) water successfully. my roots looked like shit, but somehow results and yields were good. i run a ton of bennies though. for a system the size of yours, you can probably get the job done with a 1/10 hp chiller if you want to go that route. fwiw i run a chiller currently (in rdwc), temps set to 69-70, with bennies. roots look good, water is still warm enough for bennies to live
3-look into southern ag garden friendly fungicide. same bacillus strain as hydroguard, much more cost effective
4- the bigger your res, the better. if your system is already constructed, consider running a top off barrel/res (outside of the tent if possible) with a float valve connected to your main system
5- maxi series dry stuff is pretty cheap i think, and is available on amazon. same with the gff i mentioned above. you might also want to look into megacrop
Very interested in MegaCrop.
 

5BY5LEC

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I'll tell you right now that the frozen water bottle "trick" is tedious and annoying. You can easily find a used chiller in Canada with all the growing going on up there. Hop on your local Craigslist or similar site and search aquarium/hydroponic water chillers. Chillers are THEE BEST.
4 1/4 gallons is not much to cool. I think that's even below the minimum limit for most 1/10 chillers. You may want to look into thermoelectric cooling.
What are your water temps? If you water is staying below 70, bennies alone should do you right if you are not going above, say 75 max or so.
Now, consider just not running a chiller and running something like UC Roots, in other words a sterile res. I have seen my friends system stay fine at 75 with that stuff. Some might disagree. Just throwing some options out there.
 

Renfro

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I have some ICE probes that I use to cool my nutrient mix tanks.

They are pretty bad ass, works with the peltier effect.

You could use one of these and plug it into an inkbird temp controller with the temp sensor in the res across from the ice probe. just be sure there is circulation or you just end up with an ice cube on the ice probe.
 

Airwalker16

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I have some ICE probes that I use to cool my nutrient mix tanks.

They are pretty bad ass, works with the peltier effect.

You could use one of these and plug it into an inkbird temp controller with the temp sensor in the res across from the ice probe. just be sure there is circulation or you just end up with an ice cube on the ice probe.
Didn't pick up he's only using <5gals. In that case, definitely pick up an ice probe. Vader recently did a video on using one. Search VaderVision on YouTube and his new "Mini TY Fighter grow" series using a PC case shows a great example of using an ice probe.
 

5BY5LEC

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Yeah. I mean I stayed away from thermoelectric cooling but only because of the water quantity I used. I would love to try out an iceprobe on a single-bucket grow, controlled by an inkbird of course.
They also have thermoelectric chiller boxes that are sort of like a mini-1/10. They use a tiny pump and 3/8 lines if I am not mistaken. Cannot speak to the quality of them though, as most are sold on ebay lol. Iceprobes have great reviews though.
 

5BY5LEC

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Because I have not seen it to be as effective as other things such as BA or a chlorine, like shock. Not saying that you arent having success with it, but my 2 cents....there are easier solutions for him to start with. I love peroxide, don't get me wrong. Lot's of solutions to one problem, what has worked for you?
 

Airwalker16

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The chillers utilizing pumps and big heatsinks through a small water block are definitely abundant on eBay but I would probably go with the probe on something this small tgat will always have a full res
 

klx

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Because I have not seen it to be as effective as other things such as BA or a chlorine, like shock. Not saying that you arent having success with it, but my 2 cents....there are easier solutions for him to start with. I love peroxide, don't get me wrong. Lot's of solutions to one problem, what has worked for you?
Each to their own but bleach, pool shock etc or sodium hypochlorite (NaOCl)may control pathogens but it is toxic to cannabis plants, as are its breakdown components, inclusive of NaCl (table salt).

H2O2, on the other hand, controls all pathogens and when it breaks down after a few days simply oxygenates the roots.
 

Airwalker16

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Each to their own but bleach, pool shock etc or sodium hypochlorite (NaOCl)may control pathogens but it is toxic to cannabis plants, as are its breakdown components, inclusive of NaCl (table salt).

H2O2, on the other hand, controls all pathogens and when it breaks down after a few days simply oxygenates the roots.
Ya I didn't wanna stir the pot, but h2o2 is the greatest thing for sterilization ever simply just because it breaks down to simple oxygen which the roots use up.
 
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xthursdayx

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1-any nutrients will work when applied at the correct rate and elemental ppm. if you are using tap water you might be able to get away with no additional calcium or magnesium. get a copy of your citys water analysis to confirm
2-i have ran lpa setups with pretty hot (74+) water successfully. my roots looked like shit, but somehow results and yields were good. i run a ton of bennies though. for a system the size of yours, you can probably get the job done with a 1/10 hp chiller if you want to go that route. fwiw i run a chiller currently (in rdwc), temps set to 69-70, with bennies. roots look good, water is still warm enough for bennies to live
3-look into southern ag garden friendly fungicide. same bacillus strain as hydroguard, much more cost effective
4- the bigger your res, the better. if your system is already constructed, consider running a top off barrel/res (outside of the tent if possible) with a float valve connected to your main system
5- maxi series dry stuff is pretty cheap i think, and is available on amazon. same with the gff i mentioned above. you might also want to look into megacrop
Thanks for all the detailed advice! I'll keep my eye out for a reasonably priced chiller. I've also been super interested in MegaCrop based on other folks posts here, but I haven't checked to see how much shipping to Canada will be.
 

xthursdayx

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I have some ICE probes that I use to cool my nutrient mix tanks.

They are pretty bad ass, works with the peltier effect.

You could use one of these and plug it into an inkbird temp controller with the temp sensor in the res across from the ice probe. just be sure there is circulation or you just end up with an ice cube on the ice probe.
I hadn't heard of ice probes before, so I'll look into them. May be the right solution for my set up, if they're not too expensive.

Honestly, the more I think about it, the best thing for me to do is probably to use this small tote as a proof-of-concept for the first month or so before moving the plants to a larger system built the 27-gallon tote I mentioned above. This smaller one can become a cloner or something.
 

xthursdayx

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4 1/4 gallons is not much to cool. I think that's even below the minimum limit for most 1/10 chillers. You may want to look into thermoelectric cooling.
What are your water temps? If you water is staying below 70, bennies alone should do you right if you are not going above, say 75 max or so.
Now, consider just not running a chiller and running something like UC Roots, in other words a sterile res. I have seen my friends system stay fine at 75 with that stuff. Some might disagree. Just throwing some options out there.
The system isn't running yet, so I'm not sure what the water temp will be. The ambient temperature in the tent right now is around 72F, but is without any ventilation - we're having this crazy polar vortext weather, so at the moment I'm actually more concerned about keeping it warm than cool. I'll test the temperature of the bucket of water I have sitting in there just to see what it's sitting at, though of course there is not a pump running in it.
 

rkymtnman

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Each to their own but bleach, pool shock etc or sodium hypochlorite (NaOCl)may control pathogens but it is toxic to cannabis plants,
chlorine is a tertiary nutrient for cannabis. it's not toxic to humans or plants at concentrations below 5ppm. dyna gro adds it to it's nutrients.
 
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