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Chefman86

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This little one is 5 weeks old. I just got it under a good led light and waiting on my tent setup with fan.
I have had 2 light feeding cycles with AN 3part PH perfect line but haven't added any Cal-Mag yet..(have it ordered for this week).
Feed for the 2nd time last night and had a very high EC runoff. So flushed the plant with neutral pH water and haven't done anything since (only been 24 hours).
Plant has shown these yellow tips for about a week now, and slight tears in 1 or 2 of the smaller leaves. I also noticed that the leaves are drooping a bit, maybe too much fan on them or is this also due to a deficiency or excess in nutrients?
Just looking for direction as to the next feeding if I need Cal-Mag addition, if this is even that problem or other deficiency or excess of nutrient???20200713_183754.jpg20200713_183833.jpg20200713_183825.jpg20200713_183818.jpg20200713_183809.jpg20200713_183726.jpg20200713_183754.jpg
 
Skewbong

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It looks to be the beginning of nitrogen burn. A plant that size doesn't need much for nutrients.
 
Skewbong

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I would also suggest getting it into a bigger pot before the roots get too big. Fabric pots are great! But not good when you need to transfer a plant to a larger one as the roots get caught in the fibers and you can cause root damage if done too late. I learned that the hard way. Didn't kill my plant, just set her back a little bit. Are those 1 gallon pots. Dont go less than 3 gal but 5 gal is good from my experience, just a bit large. With fiber pots you start with the same one as you finish with.
 
Chefman86

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Skewbong said:
I would also suggest getting it into a bigger pot before the roots get too big. Fabric pots are great! But not good when you need to transfer a plant to a larger one as the roots get caught in the fibers and you can cause root damage if done too late. I learned that the hard way. Didn't kill my plant, just set her back a little bit. Are those 1 gallon pots. Dont go less than 3 gal but 5 gal is good from my experience, just a bit large. With fiber pots you start with the same one as you finish with.
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It is in a one gallon right now. It has only been in a 1 gallon for a 7-10 days now.
So if I wanted this plant to end in a 3 or 5 gallon I needed to start it in one of those 2 options? I thought that one of those sizes would have been too big for this little guy at the moment...?
You think I need to get it out of the one gallon and transplant into a 3 gallon this week or hold off?
 
Skewbong

Skewbong

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Chefman86 said:
It is in a one gallon right now. It has only been in a 1 gallon for a 7-10 days now.
So if I wanted this plant to end in a 3 or 5 gallon I needed to start it in one of those 2 options? I thought that one of those sizes would have been too big for this little guy at the moment...?
You think I need to get it out of the one gallon and transplant into a 3 gallon this week or hold off?
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If its been in there 7 10 days then its roots won't be too big yet. You could easily wait for a week no problem. These plants are deceiving, they can grow big and fast in a hurry.
 
Skewbong

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Chefman86 said:
This is what I'm using for my feeding schedule. I was on week two before I noticed this yellow/browning on my leaves. Do you think this is too much nutes as per weekly feedings shown in this schedule?
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I'm not familiar with those nutes. Its only a guidline to go by. I never measure runoff but I always ec and ph my water before I also give my nutrients by ec number and not schedules but I'm versed in what my plants need. What was your ec number?
 
Chefman86

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Skewbong said:
I'm not familiar with those nutes. Its only a guidline to go by. I never measure runoff but I always ec and ph my water before I also give my nutrients by ec number and not schedules but I'm versed in what my plants need. What was your ec number?
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My EC number was 1.9 going in, and I measured my runoff and it was 3.0! When I noticed it was 3.0 I flushed my plant with water only and got my run off down to 1.7. I haven't fed or watered since I flushed my plants, I was giving them a couple days to dry out. And then I was going to feed them with my three-part feeding, and Cal-Mag...
Is that a good idea?
 
Skewbong

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You have very nutrient dense soil...in the sense there are a lot of nutrients not being used up. I rarely, if ever go over 2.0. The reason is the nutrients aren't being used up in between feedings and the salts (nutrients) are building up. If it goes too long it will get nutrient lockout...thats when your plant dies. There is way too much emphasis put on cal mag. Dont add anything except phd water around 5.8-6.0 Yes cal mag is needed. But not as much as it seems. Your regular tap water already has a fair bit in it, assuming your not using RO or distilled water.

Also what are you growing in...soil, coco coir? What light do you have? I wont judge by any means, just want you to be successful and enjoy this hobby. Its the best.
 
Chefman86

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Skewbong said:
You have very nutrient dense soil...in the sense there are a lot of nutrients not being used up. I rarely, if ever go over 2.0. The reason is the nutrients aren't being used up in between feedings and the salts (nutrients) are building up. If it goes too long it will get nutrient lockout...thats when your plant dies. There is way too much emphasis put on cal mag. Dont add anything except phd water around 5.8-6.0 Yes cal mag is needed. But not as much as it seems. Your regular tap water already has a fair bit in it, assuming your not using RO or distilled water.

Also what are you growing in...soil, coco coir? What light do you have? I wont judge by any means, just want you to be successful and enjoy this hobby. Its the best.
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I am using FF Ocean Forest mixed with perlite. I have a 1000watt Cree Cobb LED.
I am using filtered water from my fridge filter.
I am trying to avoid nutrient lockout.
If I flushed my plant with reg water (no nutes) and will wait to water/feed until tomorrow do you think I'm okay?
Give it a good light batch of nutes + Cal-Mag and make sure EC of nite solution is 1.2-1.7??
 
coreywebster

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Chefman86 said:
I am using FF Ocean Forest mixed with perlite. I have a 1000watt Cree Cobb LED.
I am using filtered water from my fridge filter.
I am trying to avoid nutrient lockout.
If I flushed my plant with reg water (no nutes) and will wait to water/feed until tomorrow do you think I'm okay?
Give it a good light batch of nutes + Cal-Mag and make sure EC of nite solution is 1.2-1.7??
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If you are using soil from Fox farms, such as Ocean Forest, then you shouldn't need to add nutrients for the first 2 to 4 weeks as these soils are already nutrient-rich, but after that – your plants will soon use up the nutrients in the soil and will be searching for more.


When you pot up your adding more nutrient rich soil and so it wont need more nutrients until its depleted

1.9ec would be a lot in even a hydro set up let alone a soil that already contains nutrients.
 
Skewbong

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ok so the reason your numbers climbed is because that stuff already has worm castings and bat guano. those items a plant can handle in heavy doses on their own, but if you are adding nutes its too much. you will be good until your plant starts to get a little pail in colour then start feeding her again. just phd water. remember its a weed and doesn't need a ton of nutrients to do well. overfeeding has bigger problems than underfeeding.

give it ZERO nutes, ZERO cal mag. it doesn't need it. the idea of giving a plant more nutrients, like steroids, will just kill your plant.

a fridge filter does nothing except improve taste and odour like chlorine. you need a PH meter. its a very important tool.

good luck friend.
 
Chefman86

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coreywebster said:
If you are using soil from Fox farms, such as Ocean Forest, then you shouldn't need to add nutrients for the first 2 to 4 weeks as these soils are already nutrient-rich, but after that – your plants will soon use up the nutrients in the soil and will be searching for more.


When you pot up your adding more nutrient rich soil and so it wont need more nutrients until its depleted
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So if this plant is on week 5 with being transplanted from a solo cup to this 1 gal fabric pot, it should or shouldn't need a light batch of nutes starting this week?
If not and the soil is still rich, how is skewbong saying it looks like a nitrogen burn? I guess that is from the rich soil + the (2) light feedings I have already done?
So with flushing the plant and getting EC RO down to 1.7, what are my next steps as to feedings? When would you feed next?
 
Chefman86

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Skewbong said:
ok so the reason your numbers climbed is because that stuff already has worm castings and bat guano. those items a plant can handle in heavy doses on their own, but if you are adding nutes its too much. you will be good until your plant starts to get a little pail in colour then start feeding her again. just phd water. remember its a weed and doesn't need a ton of nutrients to do well. overfeeding has bigger problems than underfeeding.

give it ZERO nutes, ZERO cal mag. it doesn't need it. the idea of giving a plant more nutrients, like steroids, will just kill your plant.

a fridge filter does nothing except improve taste and odour like chlorine. you need a PH meter. its a very important tool.

good luck friend.
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I have a blue labs combo meter.... I just assumed the fridge filter would take out some of the impurities and chlorine
 
coreywebster

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Chefman86 said:
So if this plant is on week 5 with being transplanted from a solo cup to this 1 gal fabric pot, it should or shouldn't need a light batch of nutes starting this week?
If not and the soil is still rich, how is skewbong saying it looks like a nitrogen burn? I guess that is from the rich soil + the (2) light feedings I have already done?
So with flushing the plant and getting EC RO down to 1.7, what are my next steps as to feedings? When would you feed next?
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If you've just put it in fresh soil then it just wants watering until you see signs of it needing feeding.

This is the dilemma of soil, you need to judge it and read the plant.

I only feed 1.4ec in full flower in coco.

You have nutrient burnt tips because you've used nutrients when the plant doesn't need any extra.
When you start using them start slow and steady and work up but never to that level.
Once you see a bit of tip burn back off.
 
Skewbong

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Chefman86 said:
I have a blue labs combo meter.... I just assumed the fridge filter would take out some of the impurities and chlorine
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fair enough, you need to learn somewhere, right? thats why were here...to help, but you need to know what your PH is. PH will fluctuate with nutrients. with veg, it will slightly drop your PH but when adding blooming ferts like 0-10-10 for example it drops my PH to dangerously acidic levels like 3.5

that meter measures PH, no? what is your tap water ph, and the EC of your plain tap water? is your community water a good source? its important too.
 
Chefman86

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Skewbong said:
fair enough, you need to learn somewhere, right? thats why were here...to help, but you need to know what your PH is. PH will fluctuate with nutrients. with veg, it will slightly drop your PH but when adding blooming ferts like 0-10-10 for example it drops my PH to dangerously acidic levels like 3.5

that meter measures PH, no? what is your tap water ph, and the EC of your plain tap water? is your community water a good source? its important too.
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Yes it measures EC, PPM 500, PPM 700, and Temp.
Here is my tap water numbers (I think here in St Louis we have decent tap water, I know the pH may be a little high...)
pH = 9.5
EC = .2
PPM 500 =140
PPM 700 = 190
Do you use PPM 500 or PPM 700?
 
Chefman86

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Chefman86 said:
Yes it measures EC, PPM 500, PPM 700, and Temp.
Here is my tap water numbers (I think here in St Louis we have decent tap water, I know the pH may be a little high...)
pH = 9.5
EC = .2
PPM 500 =140
PPM 700 = 190
Do you use PPM 500 or PPM 700?
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I have heard that you should take your tap water and put it in a bucket and let it sit out for 24 hours whether that be outside or inside to let the chlorine evaporate? Is that something that you should do? Or if I am filtering the tap water through a fridge filter will that filter some of that chlorine out? Or just taste impurities?
 
Skewbong

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Chefman86 said:
I have heard that you should take your tap water and put it in a bucket and let it sit out for 24 hours whether that be outside or inside to let the chlorine evaporate? Is that something that you should do? Or if I am filtering the tap water through a fridge filter will that filter some of that chlorine out? Or just taste impurities?
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Ok, so your water ph is very alkaline and hard. i live close to the mountains (Calgary, Canada) so we get very fresh water at around 7.0-7.2 and rarely peaks to 8.0 ph, but its still hard because of alkaline soils in the area. i would advise to get a RO filter (you can get affordable countertop ones), or buy distilled water (pain in the ass and expensive)...but you dont need to, but you need to buy some PH up and down to adjust...you might ask why would i need Ph up, if i only need to go down...you will need it, when you need it. you can buy cheap 1 liter bottles at the hydro shop. i paid $18 for both combined, and it lasts forever because you need such a small amount. make sure you get a medicine dropper to put it in...and be careful it is very caustic and will burn your skin, carpet or countertops if you get spill any.

my meter has the 700 multiplier, but i only go by ec. PPM gets messy becasue often the source your reading doesnt specify which to use.

in your area, i would guess there would be fair bit of chlorine, so its not a bad idea to let your water sit. i dont do it, personally i haven't had any issues.

side note:
just so you know...that if it rains or when there is snow melt, your city will increase the chlorine in your water because of the increase of silt in the runoff which will carry more bacteria.

i met a guy from st louis once, he told me its the armpit of america...the arch, obviously was his reference. it was harsh for his hometown i thought
 
Chefman86

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Skewbong said:
Ok, so your water ph is very alkaline and hard. i live close to the mountains (Calgary, Canada) so we get very fresh water at around 7.0-7.2 and rarely peaks to 8.0 ph, but its still hard because of alkaline soils in the area. i would advise to get a RO filter (you can get affordable countertop ones), or buy distilled water (pain in the ass and expensive)...but you dont need to, but you need to buy some PH up and down to adjust...you might ask why would i need Ph up, if i only need to go down...you will need it, when you need it. you can buy cheap 1 liter bottles at the hydro shop. i paid $18 for both combined, and it lasts forever because you need such a small amount. make sure you get a medicine dropper to put it in...and be careful it is very caustic and will burn your skin, carpet or countertops if you get spill any.

my meter has the 700 multiplier, but i only go by ec. PPM gets messy becasue often the source your reading doesnt specify which to use.

in your area, i would guess there would be fair bit of chlorine, so its not a bad idea to let your water sit. i dont do it, personally i haven't had any issues.

side note:
just so you know...that if it rains or when there is snow melt, your city will increase the chlorine in your water because of the increase of silt in the runoff which will carry more bacteria.

i met a guy from st louis once, he told me its the armpit of america...the arch, obviously was his reference. it was harsh for his hometown i thought
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If I am using a fridge filter (carbon filter) and using this water to water and feed my plants. Do I have to let this sit outside or inside for a certain amount of time, or just the water out of the tap?
If it does rain or snowmelt, would you advise letting it sit out longer as there is more chlorine in the water?
 
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