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J8Reign

J8Reign

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Greetings all,

I used to grow when I was in college circa 2001-2005, all aeroponic (stinkbud method) and under HID lighting... At that point I was doing it to put myself through school, and have since taken a long break (from growing, not smoking). The Mrs. And I have just purchased a new home, and with that have doubled our mortgage payment so... No more buying for us, time to get back in the swing of things.

The good: Our new home has a very large unfinished room above the garage that is already ducted for climate control, and is only accessible through a panel in the master closet (I know right, every growers dream)...

The bad: We live in a state where MJ in any way shape or form is still looked down upon, and we are in the area of an Air National Guard Base, so constant flyovers of all type...

This is where I call for help from the forum, I'll spitball what I'm thinking, you guys and gals let me know if I'm on track, and offer advice as you see fit.

So between my lady and I, we burn about 2 Oz. per month and my goal is to set up a perpetual cycle that would see me pulling the 2 Oz. every three weeks (just like the old days, but on a much smaller scale)... I plan to keep 2 Indica dominant mothers, and 2 Sativa dominant mothers (this way I can shoot for a 1 oz. of Indica and 1 oz. of Sativa each harvest, and alternate back and forth between strains every other month. They will be kept in Aeroponic fog buckets and under T5 lighting.

I plan to run the Stinkbud style cloner (with 20 sites) because I always had great results with it in the past (no need to reinvent the wheel) these will be in their own tent and also under T5s.

Now... This is where I need some help... I want to do this in a way I've never tried before, only CFL lighting (as I mentioned, constant flyovers) as I can't run the risk of being picked out for the heat signatures produced by HID lighting.

So basically, the veg. Tent would be a 4x4x6 split into 2 sides, 1 side holding a 10 site Indica fog box (just like the one over at Aeroponics.net) the other holding a 10 site Sativa fog box. I'm thinking a dozen 35 watt 6500 k bulbs per side should be alright for vegging?

Basically the exact same setup for the flowering tent, only with 20 35 watt 2700 k bulbs per side?

So given this information, does it seem reasonable to think that I'll be able to pull 2 oz. of dried bud every 3 weeks so long as I keep everything running smoothly?

Thanks for reading, and all advice you can lend!
 
justugh

justugh

Well-Known Member
J8Reign said:
Greetings all,

I used to grow when I was in college circa 2001-2005, all aeroponic (stinkbud method) and under HID lighting... At that point I was doing it to put myself through school, and have since taken a long break (from growing, not smoking). The Mrs. And I have just purchased a new home, and with that have doubled our mortgage payment so... No more buying for us, time to get back in the swing of things.

The good: Our new home has a very large unfinished room above the garage that is already ducted for climate control, and is only accessible through a panel in the master closet (I know right, every growers dream)...

The bad: We live in a state where MJ in any way shape or form is still looked down upon, and we are in the area of an Air National Guard Base, so constant flyovers of all type...

This is where I call for help from the forum, I'll spitball what I'm thinking, you guys and gals let me know if I'm on track, and offer advice as you see fit.

So between my lady and I, we burn about 2 Oz. per month and my goal is to set up a perpetual cycle that would see me pulling the 2 Oz. every three weeks (just like the old days, but on a much smaller scale)... I plan to keep 2 Indica dominant mothers, and 2 Sativa dominant mothers (this way I can shoot for a 1 oz. of Indica and 1 oz. of Sativa each harvest, and alternate back and forth between strains every other month. They will be kept in Aeroponic fog buckets and under T5 lighting.

I plan to run the Stinkbud style cloner (with 20 sites) because I always had great results with it in the past (no need to reinvent the wheel) these will be in their own tent and also under T5s.

Now... This is where I need some help... I want to do this in a way I've never tried before, only CFL lighting (as I mentioned, constant flyovers) as I can't run the risk of being picked out for the heat signatures produced by HID lighting.

So basically, the veg. Tent would be a 4x4x6 split into 2 sides, 1 side holding a 10 site Indica fog box (just like the one over at Aeroponics.net) the other holding a 10 site Sativa fog box. I'm thinking a dozen 35 watt 6500 k bulbs per side should be alright for vegging?

Basically the exact same setup for the flowering tent, only with 20 35 watt 2700 k bulbs per side?

So given this information, does it seem reasonable to think that I'll be able to pull 2 oz. of dried bud every 3 weeks so long as I keep everything running smoothly?

Thanks for reading, and all advice you can lend!
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1 military does not care about weed .......intact most of the ppl i know in the armed forces do weed (lollipop in the shower)
u have no worry about them using flair cameras on yah even if they do it would be for training and they would not report it to local

2 if u are worried about it u can use IR blocker (basically the camera sees the temp of the outside reflected back ....no heat bloom)

3 u think it is ducted for cooling .......u are wrong it is ducted for cooling as it is now once u add in more gear that ducting is not going to be enough ( when u are working with cfls t5s hid or led u need to add in a ac system to cover the area then double the BTUs for a growing area (this way u can use the ac on lower settings instead of running it hard and high all the time)

4 cfl info........a cfl light is only good for a bout 8 inches of usable light in the system (12 really but u need 4 inches between the plant and light as the ligh is in 160 degree range)....CFLs for a large grow is not worth it as u increase the number of lights to cover the area u need the heat increases .....what u want to do CFLs are not a good choice

5 if u are worried about heat and light use .....think about LED they give u the best depth into the plant of usable light but the area of coverage is not as high as a HID ......the good news tho LED lights are rated for about 50k hours so looking at the investment like that after about your 3 or 4th grow the light are paid for rest is sheer saving profit for u

6 u are talking about a hydro system ........u need to keep the water cool as u are above a garage u are going to collect alot of heat .....so a water chiller is a must otherwise u are going to cook the roots and allow the bad micros to grow in the system

7 u need to think how u are going to get water in and out of the area and how u are going to protect the area from spills (heat and wet makes mold)

8 the energy use u are about to do .........even with a small thing u are going to run 2000w more a hour the size of what u are talking about u are going into the 4000 7000 watts more a hour .....u need to off set this with a wind turbine or solar panels (other wise u will need to grow surplus and sell it to recover some cash to pay the power bill)
 
J8Reign

J8Reign

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Thank you, I have definitely used the IR film in the past, and well... Obviously didn't get caught lol.

Problem is the air field here is also used by Feds and local smokeys, so I do need to operate as covert as possible.

The heat pump/AC was put in place and set up to cover the room once finished, so they oversized it and it works very well... It was 91 degrees here today, and the room held steady at 68... So I'm not horribly worried with heat, plus there are 4 windows so I could always add a big window unit, that should also help bring in fresh air, and I'll be installing plenty of ventilation and carbon scrubbers for good measure.

I'm a baller on a budget at this point, going from an $800 a month mortgage to a $1700 a month, so LED isn't even an option, yet... Lol

The room was designed to be finished out as a second master suite, so plumbing is already stubbed in, they just never finished it, and didn't even put in an access other than the panel in the closet... Previous owners had 6 kids, and the wife was using it as a "safe room"... So no worries as far as getting water in and out... I also plan to keep my nutrient water in gamma seal buckets outside the tents (tents will be on shelves, nutrient water buckets under them) so, not too afraid there either.

It does, however, sound like the CFL idea isn't so hot... So let me ask you this one... Keep the mothers and clones under T5s... Switch veg tent to 2x 250 watt MH, and flower tent to 2x 600 watt HPS... Better option?

Thanks again, your input is appreciated!
 
J8Reign

J8Reign

New Member
Stealthstyle said:
Id go with one of the better LED options heat wise. Such as COB kit or a cob already built.
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What is the price point on those though?... I can find HIDs pretty cheap these days, not too sure about LEDs as they hit the scene after I'd already stepped away... Everything I've read thus far has them still pretty expensive as it compares to other types of lighting, and I'm trying to go as inexpensive as I possibly can while still pulling the weight I need.
 
Stealthstyle

Stealthstyle

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Yeah i missed the part where you said they were too pricey so i deleted my post. But mine cost me around $300 plus delivery to build myself. only 20o watts but it should be capable of 100 grams or more a month. but im using it for chills and capsicans.
 
J8Reign

J8Reign

New Member
Stealthstyle said:
Yeah i missed the part where you said they were too pricey so i deleted my post. But mine cost me around $300 plus delivery to build myself. only 20o watts but it should be capable of 100 grams or more a month. but im using it for chills and capsicans.
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Gotcha, bear in mind, I'm really only looking to pull about 30 grams of Indica, and 30 grams of Sativa each 3 week harvest... That being said, I'm sure that 10 plants of each under HIDs is overkill, but better to plan for the worst than to expect the best lol...
 
hempygrower

hempygrower

Member
J8Reign said:
Greetings all,

I used to grow when I was in college circa 2001-2005, all aeroponic (stinkbud method) and under HID lighting... At that point I was doing it to put myself through school, and have since taken a long break (from growing, not smoking). The Mrs. And I have just purchased a new home, and with that have doubled our mortgage payment so... No more buying for us, time to get back in the swing of things.

The good: Our new home has a very large unfinished room above the garage that is already ducted for climate control, and is only accessible through a panel in the master closet (I know right, every growers dream)...

The bad: We live in a state where MJ in any way shape or form is still looked down upon, and we are in the area of an Air National Guard Base, so constant flyovers of all type...

This is where I call for help from the forum, I'll spitball what I'm thinking, you guys and gals let me know if I'm on track, and offer advice as you see fit.

So between my lady and I, we burn about 2 Oz. per month and my goal is to set up a perpetual cycle that would see me pulling the 2 Oz. every three weeks (just like the old days, but on a much smaller scale)... I plan to keep 2 Indica dominant mothers, and 2 Sativa dominant mothers (this way I can shoot for a 1 oz. of Indica and 1 oz. of Sativa each harvest, and alternate back and forth between strains every other month. They will be kept in Aeroponic fog buckets and under T5 lighting.

I plan to run the Stinkbud style cloner (with 20 sites) because I always had great results with it in the past (no need to reinvent the wheel) these will be in their own tent and also under T5s.

Now... This is where I need some help... I want to do this in a way I've never tried before, only CFL lighting (as I mentioned, constant flyovers) as I can't run the risk of being picked out for the heat signatures produced by HID lighting.

So basically, the veg. Tent would be a 4x4x6 split into 2 sides, 1 side holding a 10 site Indica fog box (just like the one over at Aeroponics.net) the other holding a 10 site Sativa fog box. I'm thinking a dozen 35 watt 6500 k bulbs per side should be alright for vegging?

Basically the exact same setup for the flowering tent, only with 20 35 watt 2700 k bulbs per side?

So given this information, does it seem reasonable to think that I'll be able to pull 2 oz. of dried bud every 3 weeks so long as I keep everything running smoothly?

Thanks for reading, and all advice you can lend!
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buy IR reflectors to put over your grow space, problem solved. You can find them on Amazon:) happy growing!
 
coreywebster

coreywebster

Well-Known Member
Hey J8reign, sounds like you are not talking anything massive. Have a look at what this guy built with cheaper cree cobs than most folks use. You may find something similar would give you the amount of weight you are looking for without having massive heat output ect. You could build one for a very reasonable price and way out perform cfls. If your not familiar with such lights then don't be afraid to look at what folks are doing with DIY LED these days.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/a-little-project-to-pass-the-time.909832/
 
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Muleskinner

Active Member
2 oz. per month is the goal. With a 400w HPS and a smaller veg area you should be able to harvest at least 6-8 ounces every 2 months. 400w HPS is not going to cause heat signature problems.
 
justugh

justugh

Well-Known Member
J8Reign said:
Gotcha, bear in mind, I'm really only looking to pull about 30 grams of Indica, and 30 grams of Sativa each 3 week harvest... That being said, I'm sure that 10 plants of each under HIDs is overkill, but better to plan for the worst than to expect the best lol...
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if that is all u are after

generic LED ......Apollo brand they have a good blue to red ratio

auto flowering plants .....in a 5 to 7 gallon soil bag
u will make 2 oz to 6 oz a plant once u know how to feed the strains .......but i did 1 oz a plant when i was just CFLS ........if u use HID your looking at 4 to 8 oz a plant (in a 5-7 gallon plant)
 
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