Lost In A Sea Of Nutrients? Advanced Nutrients, Canna etc.

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consumer reports

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Tick Tock said:
Nearly got my set-up complete, so I've been searching for what nutrients to buy, and as expected there's vast differences of opinions on what's best for them - cost and effect wise, and along with that there's normally a long lists of combinations that they've been experimenting with. I don't mind paying a little extra as long as it's worth it, but as a beginner I would prefer to keep it simple and develop an understanding as I go. And so would appreciate any help from those with some experience in this field. So anyways I'm growing using bubbler buckets and most likely coco medium, after reading a fair bit on the subject my first choice was on the Advanced Nutrients combo of Bud Blood, Big Bud and Overdrive (and maybe throwing in Hy-pro spray mix) so before buying these I thought it sensible to ask... are these nutrients suitable for a beginner, I've heard Advanced Nutrients can be complicated, not too sure if that's using the connoisseur range or just how they label the instructions? And more importantly are these products worth the money! I've read an equal amount of negative/positive comments on AN, some say they swear by them, from others that it's all marketing and hype, so obviously it can be a little confusing for a newbie such as myself. Are there other products that are cheaper and just as effective? Are there any of the three that could be swapped with another brand? Are there others that could maybe a good addition? I know there's never any definite answer to these questions but any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for your time.
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I use Earthjuice Grow for veg
Foxfarm big bloom for flower
ph adjusters earthjuice ph up & down
Advanced nutrients Voodoo Juice
General organics Cal Mag
Liquid Karma

Follow directions and you should have very healthy organic plants with exceptional yields
 
homebrewer

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newworldicon said:
Okay so you are saying then that dyna gro helped you to gain 4-5 oz per grow, excellent work. This comparison is against general hydroponic, not others I assume? How would it compare to say connoisseur then?
It still does not answer the original question to this thread.......what do I get in an array of products out there?
I think at this point I cannot offer brand advice as what we get here in the UK is somewhat different to what you guys get in the states bar AN and GH.

PS. I don't think for a second that I have given any indication that I demote the role of nutrition and balanced nutrition at that.
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I tested DG against the GH 3 part plus about 4 additives but the principle is still the same. Conni is a 2 part and when mixed it results in roughly a 1-1-2 ratio (http://www.advancednutrients.com/hydroponics/products/connoisseur/connoisseur_faq_nutrient_facts.php) which is not idea for flowering. To get the ideal ratio of 1-3-2, you need to add one of their products that supplies more P and they designed it like that on purpose so you need to buy more bottles. There is absolutely no reason they couldn't have given a better starting NPK in their base meaning you can spend less and grow better plants. On top of the lack luster NPK ratio, they only supply 7 of the 16 essential elements so what exactly is $150 for base nutes getting you?

In regards to GH, their resulting NPK ratio when I use them is roughly a 1-2-2 in flower and they supply 10 of 16 elements, not too bad for their price.

I'm not saying one brand is the end-all-be-all of nute brands but I am saying that NPK ratios and micro nutrient content is what growers should look for, not a brand name or a fancy label.
 
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Illumination

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homebrewer said:
I tested DG against the GH 3 part plus about 4 additives but the principle is still the same. Conni is a 2 part and when mixed it results in roughly a 1-1-2 ratio (http://www.advancednutrients.com/hydroponics/products/connoisseur/connoisseur_faq_nutrient_facts.php) which is not idea for flowering. To get the ideal ratio of 1-3-2, you need to add one of their products that supplies more P and they designed it like that on purpose so you need to buy more bottles. There is absolutely no reason they couldn't have given a better starting NPK in their base meaning you can spend less and grow better plants. On top of the lack luster NPK ratio, they only supply 7 of the 16 essential elements so what exactly is $150 for base nutes getting you?

In regards to GH, their resulting NPK ratio when I use them is roughly a 1-2-2 in flower and they supply 10 of 16 elements, not too bad for their price.

I'm not saying one brand is the end-all-be-all of nute brands but I am saying that NPK ratios and micro nutrient content is what growers should look for, not a brand name or a fancy label.
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I couldn't agree more my friend...that is what matters...and their sources for these which if you research , DG get theirs in high quality sources which allows them to put it all in one bottle and it holds ph an the elements stay available as they are chelated and complimentary to each others uptake by the plant...in other words as it draws in N then that processes aids in the drawing up of P then also K...as they are used they compliment each others uptake ...and as the biggest reason for making 20 bottles you need is making money...but get this kiddos since they wanna make all that money on all the bottles they use the cheapset sources as they are going to separate it into different containers and money not plant health is their goal...

This also makes for antagonistic reactions as they are taken up by the plant which causes undesirable ph fluctuations and precips


AN for example was busted by the OR sate ag department for not containing what is on the label

Do some research besides forum hype and marketing BS my people... the sources the company uses is how you know the quality...not the label

Namaste':leaf:
 
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sappytreetree

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Dyna grow i think has way to mainy minerals in a one part if you look at dutch master one part the really water it down cause the minerals start to cling toghter and wont dizlove fully in water Thats why most companys have two or 3 parts on there base cause they had to seperate some minerals why there concentrated or thell bond toghter into unusable forms thats why thy tell you to shake your bottles cause some minerals are heavy and sink to the bottom all though i really like were dyna grow is heading i think the need to rethink some things i saw clumps in my last dyna grow bottle because there sulfer/ cal mix toghter into gypsum and god knows what else is bonding in there ....I have seen good results with dyna grow in recircilating systems were the water keeping moving and getting stired it how ever doesnt work so well in soiless culture
 
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sappytreetree said:
Dyna grow i think has way to mainy minerals in a one part if you look at dutch master one part the really water it down cause the minerals start to cling toghter and wont dizlove fully in water Thats why most companys have two or 3 parts on there base cause they had to seperate some minerals why there concentrated or thell bond toghter into unusable forms thats why thy tell you to shake your bottles cause some minerals are heavy and sink to the bottom all though i really like were dyna grow is heading i think the need to rethink some things i saw clumps in my last dyna grow bottle because there sulfer/ cal mix toghter into gypsum and god knows what else is bonding in there ....I have seen good results with dyna grow in recircilating systems were the water keeping moving and getting stired it how ever doesnt work so well in soiless culture
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Well I must say that DG is doing an awesome job in my grow and I use Light Warrior which is a soiless medium... I use foliage pro mag pro and protekt in combination throughout the grow ... Homebrewer also uses it in soil and finds it to do awesome there as well,,,right HB?

Namaste':leaf:
 
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sappytreetree

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Ive seen what dutch master can do and honstley its just where its at ...You know maybe i owe dyna grow anther try i was just using the base and not the proteck / and mag additve When i worked in the grow store a couple of my costomers used the stuff so i decided to try it in my drip bucket it worked all right but in my coco it just failed me misablrey i was very disponted but maybe if i had used the other bottles might have worked out .. I dont know I finally reached 1 gram a watt when i started dutch masters havent looked back
 
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Illumination

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sappytreetree said:
Shit i bet money that Dutch master A-B Well kick Dyna grows Ass
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What makes you say that? Do you know this or you just prefer DM? Please show mr this is true. Homebrewer proved Dg to outperform GH when his goal was the opposite, but in the betterment of growing he showed what truly occurred and that was DG was easier to use and performed better. So if you could provide proof for that belief I will consider your words. Until then you use whatever makes you happy. And so will I. I like DG....

homebrewer said:
What makes you say that?

I use sunshine mix #4, a peat-based medium, and DG works extremely well. There is no reason why it wouldn't.
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I really dont understand that either. As for the gypsum...do a lil reading and you will find why that causes no problem...as it is used it breaks down and seperates more of the other elemants into calcium and sulfur...so no problem. They have formulated DG with that taken into account....not all of it will bind and the processes of the other combined nitrates release both sulfur and cal

Namaste'
 
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sappytreetree

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A Quote from dutch master web site ..............

Dutch Master Gold Range ONE combines a unique calcium and sulphur binding technology together with a high performance, cutting edge nutrient formulation of selected British and US Pharmaceutical minerals and phyto-nutrients that provide you with a powerful formula that is crystal clear with no fallout and assists your plants to grow and yield to their maximum natural genetic potential!

Gold Range ONE provides superior results to most of our competitors best multi-part nutrients due to its superior formulation that was designed in-house by our Plant Physiology and Biochemistry scientists . As for most other single part nutrients, they simply combine all the elements together to form a sludgy mess in the bottom of the bottle. This sludgy fallout, often referred to as precipitation, is actually critical elements reacting with each other. Once this “fallout” has occurred, it doesn’t matter how much you shake the bottle, these elements will not go back into solution. Unfortunately, this means your plants will now suffer a deficiency resulting in lower yields! This will never happen with Gold Range ONE – guaranteed!
 
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Sappy, got a link to their NPK values and mineral makeup of the formulas you like? Their site seems to be missing that information.
 
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sappytreetree

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http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/egov/is/fert/ is basicly were where the bottle send you ....The do favor the potash in the product over phosphorus ....wich some like some dont Got to warn your there One part is very good But Smell bad they say its some Hybid orgainc/synhtic techonlgy but it stinks THe GOLD A-B are Where its at Check out there feeding chart for it you have to click advanced when your looking at the feed schulel but It starts at like 1250 ppm and ends at like 1750 witch is pretty new way of though //I used to have freinds who would fly to amsterdam once a year to pick up the Gold nuits but its Here now Really good stuff cant go wrong with it they have a few prduct Like the liqid light , witch rocks it and Somthing called phosload wich has 4-5 kinds of phospous into I havent tryed it yet but its on my list ..........
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

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burrr said:
Homebrewer, are you still adding your GH additives to the Dynagrow nutes? if so which ones?
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I like floralicious plus because of it's sea kelp and fulvic/humic acids. I've also used florablend and while it certainly doesn't hurt, it certainly isn't needed (I had it sitting around). Personally, I like a combo of high quality 'synthetic' nutrients with some 'organic' additives.
 
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Ah, I think I found it:
DUTCH MASTER GOLD FLOWER A 4.5-0-6.5 (2.3% Ca, 0.8% Mg, 0.003% Cu, 0.040% Fe, 0.008% Mn, 0.006% Zn)
DUTCH MASTER GOLD FLOWER B 0.5-3.5-5.5 (1.50% Mg, 1.20% S, 0.01% B, 0.002% Mo)
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So again, you have a conni-type NPK ratio with higher potassium values which encourages the consumer to buy one of their 'P boosters', but they do include quite a few other minerals which is nice. Not sure about the price on this one. When comparing the secondary macro an micro nutrient values to DG's bloom formula, DG has higher values in 9 of the 13 categories and I can guarantee it's cheaper too. This is certainly not a bad option for those who don't care about money, ease of use or collecting bottles ;).
 
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sappytreetree

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Man at my local store there 25 bucks a gallon for the AB / finished up a while ago 2 plants Huge in 10 gallon pots under 1000 watts got 524grams of good bud off my lambs bread and 575 grams off my Northlighs x Blueberry well over 2 pounds plus a shit ton of trim i didnt use much addtive a little perviun bat gauno some liquid karma here and there and i paid like 55 bones for my nuits 100 bones in Power from my light and 40 for my coco perlight so 200 bones argue with that math son
 
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mrjonesez

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I by all means dont have it figured out yet but I do know that I wouldnt give "big Mike" a red cent. too expensive, even if it did do what he claims. I settled on foxfarm with cha ching and all that shit. when that runs out, ill try something else
 
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