Low stress training, with pics! And tops!

PeyoteReligion

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and thats border of oregon and cali . anything deep in oregon it's humid as fuck and rains tell july. I lived in portland
To be fair, not this year. We've had an amazingly hot dry summer this year. Humidity has been unusually low all the way up through Washington since May. Probably the best outdoor season up here I've ever seen. Still not a 20 pounder though.
 

MrStickyScissors

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To be fair, not this year. We've had an amazingly hot dry summer this year. Humidity has been unusually low all the way up through Washington since May. Probably the best outdoor season up here I've ever seen. Still not a 20 pounder though.
last year it rained tell july. Was horrible.
 

Jozikins

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You need to watch the moisture in your soil. see your woody stems? That is a sign of drought. A plant in a hydro unit, oversized container, or on a drip line will typically never show woody stem growth. This is what the plant does during drought. Why exactly? I don't fucking know, not going to BS you, but you can run your own experiment, you'll know definitively that this is correct information. If your plant ever goes limp, even once, you've done decent damage to your roots. Pull them out of the pot, you'll see some brown stringy roots that look dry from whenever that damage took place, as well as pearly white new roots that grew since you watered again, or started watering consistently. This isn't a big deal during veg and early flower, although it will most certainly slow your plants growth and greatly decrease your plants potential to get as bushy as it could in that time. Roots match the fruits, so if your root zone is cut way back, your plant will never stretch out to match what's going on below. It also greatly decreases the maximum radius your stems can grow too in a certain amount of time.

Here is where it gets really fucky when your plants experience drought: flowering. between the 3rd-5th week of flower your plant stops growing roots. If you damage your roots with dry soil, they will never grow back until reveg. This means if you have a plant that grew to full size, and then half the roots die off, your rhizosphere can only supply 50% of what your flowers above require. You'll get massively reduced yields, and your plant will be highly susceptible to further drought, high/low temps, high/low humidity, fungus, and pests. If you're deep in flowering and your plant goes limp once, you've pretty much shot yourself in the foot. Sure you can get it to harvest with high quality flowers, but you'll find you have to water twice as much to keep it from happening again, or in a worst case scenario, the damage is so bad your plants take twice as long to drink water, and have a difficult time metabolizing, resulting in a low yield of low quality flower.

Right now, you can easily pull out of this and avoid all these issues later in your plants life. As they are now, they probably would have no defense against a pest infestation, so you may not be able to boast about never losing a plant for long. If your plants have never dried out, never gone limp, and this is caused by something else, please inform me, that would be very interesting information to look into.


Also, that is not going to be a 20 lb plant. I'd believe 10, I'd believe 12, I might have to see evidence if it were to be 15, but 20? No way. That plant would rip itself to shreds under the weight of all those flowers. It's hemp, not timber, it peels apart like string cheese. If you only get 10% of your wet weight, that means those branches would have to support 200lbs of fruit. No way. Not without an extensive system of branch support, and definitely not on a plant of that size without abusing PGR, Plant Growth Regulators, which are potentially dangerous to your health. Not to mention with that dense of foliage you'd loose a lot of weight to fungus, unless you are in a micro-climate that doesn't support certain fungus, or rely heavily on toxic fungicides like Eagle-20.

That's just my two-cents. more like two bucks with how much I typed out, lol.

I should mention that large outdoor plants often get woody stems, but that is because they are frequently busting and healing from rapid growth. I just don't think what I've seen of your plants would cause that, they aren't under intense lighting or wind, and they don't look exceptionally vigorous. Not saying that the leaves don't look healthy, they do, but I still see stress.
 
Thanks for the advice. It's actually because when I received the clones they were missing a lot of Nitrogen. It took me a few days to get them going again because of the deficiency, after I was able to restore them to vegging again they seemed to hold on to their woody stems. I plan to top and clone when they get large enough, and start with a fresh set of clones. But once again, I do 100% believe his plants are 20 pound plants.

Peyote- Sorry? It's a youtube video.
 

Jozikins

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Mendo Dope was raided before they cropped, so no way do they know the yield of those plants. Maybe that was averaged off of two or three plants they did get to crop, but there is no way to know, that is a fabricated number. Having Subcool back them doesn't impress me at all. Subcool has got a lot of rep because he has been around so long, but that doesn't mean shit to me. Every strain I have ever got from Subcool (Plushberry 5 phenos, Qush 5 phenos, Qrazy Train 3 phenos, Jack The Ripper 1 pheno, Nine Pound "Nanner" 4 phenos) ALL OF IT, hermed BAD indoors, although did well outdoors without herming, none of my other 20 strains did that.. That tells me he is a hack of a breeder and is just making as many crosses as he can, with minimal testing, and minimal fucks given on how stable it is. He's a real nice guy, but that doesn't mean shit to me when I'm paying 100 bucks for a pack of seeds that drop my pound price by 500-1000 bucks each because it's full of fucking seeds. As far as I'm concerned, that fucker owes me thousands of dollars in lost crop and lowered values of crops, not to mention an apology to the online grow community for the deception.

Thinking back, I've seen some 11 and 12 lb plants that were really 15lb+ plants but that's counting popcorn. And if you're looking for bragging rights, you report your weights of top quality flowers, popcorn usually goes to hash or is discounted down to pennies as flowers and isn't reported as flower yield. @Treemanbuds took a few of those down last season, but I'd like to hear his opinion or @doublejj opinion.
 
I do live in Nor Cal myself (born and raised in Portland though), so I do actually see Mendo's bud and it's pretty decent quality. I believe you on the seeds, but they clearly smoke a shit load and probably aren't the highest educated people. People with a higher education or IQ level tend to think of those types of things, ie. quality control. This guy is probably just trying to push products as fast as he can to make cash, which okay I get it, but if that's your plan than you need to think of your consumers before yourself. It's like having a guest walk into your house and not offering them something to drink or showing any signs of hospitality. It's just rude, and it makes you bitter towards that person. Something I've noticed with a TON of you guys (not all, but some) have the BIGGEST heads I've ever seen. It's like seriously? We're growing a plant, it's really not that hard nor is it anywhere near as complicated as computer programming, engineering or anything to that degree.

Here's a short clip of the new growth over the past few days, you can also see i transplanted to fabric pots.
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Jozikins

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I do live in Nor Cal myself (born and raised in Portland though), so I do actually see Mendo's bud and it's pretty decent quality. I believe you on the seeds, but they clearly smoke a shit load and probably aren't the highest educated people. People with a higher education or IQ level tend to think of those types of things, ie. quality control. This guy is probably just trying to push products as fast as he can to make cash, which okay I get it, but if that's your plan than you need to think of your consumers before yourself. It's like having a guest walk into your house and not offering them something to drink or showing any signs of hospitality. It's just rude, and it makes you bitter towards that person. Something I've noticed with a TON of you guys (not all, but some) have the BIGGEST heads I've ever seen. It's like seriously? We're growing a plant, it's really not that hard nor is it anywhere near as complicated as computer programming, engineering or anything to that degree.

Here's a short clip of the new growth over the past few days, you can also see i transplanted to fabric pots.
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New growth looks great! Mendo Dope is absolutely doing as you said, pushing for money and rep. And that's cool, like you said, I used to do the same thing, it's not like I haven't sprayed Eagle 20 or AVID, I still do sometimes, but I recognize that it needs 60 days minimum to detox. And we absolutely have big heads here, all of us. I try not to be an ass, but sometimes it's hard. lol. If that dude gets 20lbs of quality flower without popcorn included, post a pic of the scale, I'll burn a $20 bill and post pics of it. We'll call it a bet, lol.
 
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