LST question

dapio

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what do you guys use for keeping the plant down I am having a hard time with getting a mental picture of it in my head all these tutorials say you hook it down and hook it to the edge of the bucket??? wtf does this even mean most buckets are solid all around do you have to like drill holes in the bucket before hand I just cant get a clear thought on how to tie the plants down so could anyone tell me what they use like mcguyver status so I can get on with the business
 

Rollbluntz

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That's just one of the many ways to LST man. LST-Low Stress Training is not just one method, there are many. The main focus of this however, is to tie the top of your plant down and this allows the plant to distribute the chemical (auxins) that makes the plant grow up throughout the rest of the plant. All you have to do is tie down the top of your plant (or the highest shoot on the plant if LST has been done once already) and repeat.

Here is how I do it.

Step 1: Get materials, 1 close hanger, wire cutters, wire or string (long enough to reach from base of plant to edge of pot) and some ducttape.

Step 2: Take your piece of string or wire and tie it to the bottom of the plant (for sturdieness) and then ducttape it to the edge of the pot. Make sure the string is tight, but not pulling the plant toward it. This is to make sure when you lst there is leverage pulling away from the LST to keep your tiedown from uprooting your plant.

Step 3: Cut the closehanger into a good long piece (8-12 inches) depending on the height of your plant. Form a U on the end of your cut piece.

Step 4: Bend your plant over and place the U on the closehanger over the tip so that it bends it over.

Step 5: As new shoots come out, and the main top shoot grows up just keep lsting.

Sorry if this is complicated, I'm high and tried to explain the best I could. Here is a pic of what I mean by bending your plant over. To see the full effects of LST check out my grow link in my signature.
 

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dapio

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okay if I am growing in coco couldnt I just bend paper clips n stick one "sharp" end in the coco and hook the other side of the paper clip around the 4th node and achieve success without the close hanger the wire cutters the wires and all that other stuff thats stacking on top of another confusing my mind even further I have like a learning disability or something I cannot do something unless all the points make sense.
 

dieselboy

Active Member
well i wouldn't just "stick one sharp end in the coco". i would drill a hole in the bucket (i use thinner pots so i just poke it through), its really not that confusing. look up some pictures of LST (Google images) that should help you put it together. i actually (when i do it) top my plant once, then tie the 2 tops down to keep all the tops at the same height. hope this helped.
 

sfsurfer

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When I LST I use the closehanger method and it has worked wonders. I will however suggest that you wait until you have a secondary branch long enough to tie down and tie that branch in one direction and the main top in the exact opposite. That way you work towards both ends of the pot instead of having to work in one direction. I found that when I didnt do this my plant only covered half the container while the plants that I worked in both directions completely filled theirs.
 

dapio

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dude hell yeah you are the man I think that may be the best lst I have seen on here +REP
 

dapio

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for sure man I just have the clones bent over to the right as if they were the right hand on a clock facing 3. I like the visual description you gave I can totally see how that would work, I have seen a lot of lst were only half the pot is done like you said. I guess I am glad I used paper clips it will be easy to maneuver the branches into both directions like you described, hopefully! :D
 

HappyGrowing86

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is done all under CFL? do you just use 6500 for veg and 2700 for flower?
Size: 3.5 ft X 3.5 ft mylar lined on three sides, open on front, white plastic board on floor

Veg lights: 400mh + 250 hps - 650 total veg watts
Flwr lights: 400hps + 250 mh + 8 - 26w 4200K cfls + 8 - 26w 2400K cfls = 1066 flowering watts
Lighting Schedual :
Clones - 24 hours (No HID lamps)
Vegetative - 20 hours
Flowering - 12 hrs (last two weeks of flowering 13 hrs)

Hood: Sun Systems air cooled hood w/ custom 16 socket cfl bracket

Cooling: Hood is cooled with a industrial heater fan mounted in a acoustic foam lined box - Absolutely Silent
Plants have a .25 hp industrial fan w/ a dimmer switch hooked up to the cord to adjust power.

Nutrients: Advanced Nutrients - Micro, Grow, Bloom ; Voodoo Juice ; Sensizyme ; Bud Blood
Humbolt County's Own - Snow Storm ; Gravity
Cloning Gel - Rootech cloning gel

Growing medium: I start clones in 3x3 rockwool cubes. Soil is 6 part mix that i make. perlite, kentucky riverbottom loam, worm castings, bat guano, a organic soil base that a local nursery sells

Odor control - custom build powered filter box (totally seperate from hood cooling system)
holds 10 - 20lbs activated carbon

I'm not sure how early other people start training there plants, but i start by topping the clones as i plant them in soil on day 1. This is not your typical topping of a plant. I trim the very top 1 or 2 nodes on the very end of the growing tip. Then about 3-5 days after i have planted a cube in soil, the plant should be through any stress from topping and planting it in soil. The next 2 or 3 nodes down from where it was topped should be showing signs of strong growth now that they are the only 3 branches on the little clone. I start by tying these tiny braches apart with cotton string and tie them to the edge of the pot. As it grows i prune nodes that a wont need before they get and larger than 1/4 of an inch, so the plant doesn't waste any energy on growing branches that i'm going to prune off. I tie the branches out and down spreading them as evenly as i can, until i have a plant with 13 - 15 heads about the same height. I trim nodes from the lower parts of the growing heads so there is no little "popcorn nugs" at the bottom of the stems of where my main colas will be. I do all of this in 30 days. If you do it right the plant will grow extremely fast and just how you want it to. As I begin to flower my plants I usually don't have to do any more tying to position the heads but i usually just have to adjust the height/ tension of the strings. I do have to always tie them up to each other when they start getting so heavy the plant can't hold up the weight itself. Thats it on LST unless anyone has more questions.

A few other tips - I fertilize every watering (except flushing the plants of course). I just find a level of nutrient solution that my plants can handle without burning or even getting to dark green. I think a constant light feeding program works much better than a heavy fertilization every other watering. DON"T OVERFERTILIZE. You can build up levels of minerals and other compounds in the soil the don't make the plant look like its having problems but rather just slow down growth. Also i keep the glass of the hood 8 inches from the tops of my plants. The cooling system is powerful enough to keep the glass around 85 degrees. I checked it with a laser thermometer. There is two types of ways a HID bulb can burn a plant. The first is just the heat energy put off, and secondly is by the intensity of the visible light coming off the bulb. Most sources say to keep your plants 18 - 24 inches from the bulb, but i find that my plants leaves wont start showing signs of damage until 3 - 4 inches from the glass of my hood with the glass being cool to the touch (85 degrees or so). So basically I'm just reiterating the well known fact that the closer you can bring your lights to the plants without burning the better.
 

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Nice plants Bro. Also good detail on the how to. Thanks, I'm saving this to my bookmarks. Just out of curiosity, what is your total average yield for the room?
 

Viagro

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Very nice, good job. Interesting way you've gone about it.

I like that pic from overhead. Beautiful!
 

whit26

Member
Happy, man those are amazing. I'm into my first grow lst-ing and I've been using coated wire from 10-2. It bends easily and I can adapt it to different daily needs for keepingthe profile even. Still learning, but your ladies are my inspiration..lol
 
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