Lucas Formula, bout to switch to flower. question on nute level for transition

budtoker0987

budtoker0987

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My meter conv is .5; Using GH flora series
4 plants in DWC buckets.

Right now im actually at around 325ppm because they were having issues
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They seem to be doing a little better now and Im going to put in transition nutes and switching to 12/12 tonight.
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I just want to be sure on how much to feed them tho. would 8/16 be too hot for DWC? Thinking more 4/8 (micro, bloom) That sound about right?

Also before I started reading about lucas formula, I bought a gallon of Liquid KoolBloom, Flora Blend, small bottle Floralicous Plus. I dont want to use any of these things if using lucas?

What about a little further into flower, do I not want to add something with sugars in it (molassas, ect..)?

Thanks for the help in advance!
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Metalmatt408

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Use all those things you bought and forget Lucas, its not at all what your girls want, simply a serviceable substitute.( a poor one IMHO) Go search for the GH nutrient calculator and feeding schedules and follow that. I've run the complete GH lines before, what you have is perfect i'd say. Happy growing!
 
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Ya see, i have been reading opinions on both sides of this argument now... Ahhh... i just want it to be simple. I can follow the chart or whatever but then you get guys saying to NOT do that because you will get nute burn.. then guys saying Lucas is the way to go then guys saying its not! lol... sigh... hurts my damn head to do all this back and forth decision making :(

If i dont do Lucas, and using GH, would you use the same levels in DWC and ebb and flow? i have the ladies in the pics that will go the rest of the way in DWC and after that its all ebb and flow with 5 gallon buckets.. Would you follow the GH chart? my head is spinning lol.. thanks man
 
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Yessir I would definitely follow the chart and just watch your ladies, they will let you know what you need. If you want man I have a bunch of charts and feeding schedules I found I can send you jut pm me. Honestly I tried the Lucas formula and it wasn't as simple as I'd hoped.

When you say "levels" what exactly are you referring to? Water levels, nutrient amounts? I run an ebb n flo and I've run cap before too so let me know brotha!

I definitely say do which method you feel best about and most comfortable with, just wanna give you my experience and info from those experiences to help you better yours!
 
budtoker0987

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Metalmatt408 said:
Yessir I would definitely follow the chart and just watch your ladies, they will let you know what you need. If you want man I have a bunch of charts and feeding schedules I found I can send you jut pm me. Honestly I tried the Lucas formula and it wasn't as simple as I'd hoped.

When you say "levels" what exactly are you referring to? Water levels, nutrient amounts? I run an ebb n flo and I've run cap before too so let me know brotha!

I definitely say do which method you feel best about and most comfortable with, just wanna give you my experience and info from those experiences to help you better yours!
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Levels meaning nutrient strength, sorry. I've been told in DWC to not keep the ppms as high as you would in a cap ebb and flow. And I just put those 4 dwc ladies into flower today. So as of now they are at 475-510 ppm. Thats RO water. 50ppm cali magic,1ml per gal GE Rapid Start (roots didnt get the BEST start) and we did the 4ml per gallon gh micro, 8ml per g gh bloom (we ran out of grow, hence why i was looking this up, but i just got more of all 3 GMB)

Thats what they are in for "transition" right now. SO, going forward into flower you suggest just running with the whole line up? I mean, i DO have a brand new gallon of KoolBloom, Flora Blend Diamond Nectar, Floralicious Plus, along with the base 3. Would you suggest anything else like a sweetner? like that berry stuff that botanicare has or something similar? Or i have had someone tell me silica..? is there a GE product of that?

I'm gonna check out these charts too , thank you! + rep
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Shivaskunk said:
Oh and it really doesnt get more simple than micro/bloom at opposite levels for veg and flower.
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Exactly 1-2-3 then 2-2-2 then 3-2-1 is basically what the bottle says. But the beautiful thing about the three part system is that its made so you CAN adjust and toy with the levels to resolve certain issues you might come across. GH has used those same recipes for over 30 years and haven't changed it for 30 years and theres a reason :)

If you want simple GH offers a 2 part flora duo, if that's what your looking for.
 
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Metalmatt408 said:
Exactly 1-2-3 then 2-2-2 then 3-2-1 is basically what the bottle says. But the beautiful thing about the three part system is that its made so you CAN adjust and toy with the levels to resolve certain issues you might come across. GH has used those same recipes for over 30 years and haven't changed it for 30 years and theres a reason :)

If you want simple GH offers a 2 part flora duo, if that's what your looking for.
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Well i want simple, sure, but i want the best i can get for the money, but also performance. I have only tried Floranova in soil two years ago, and now im doing some hydro. Dwc, and now deciced cap e&b (one res, :) )
Flora series seems not so "mucky" as the nova line. What do you use? In the end i just want whatever is needed for the best tasting and smelling and looking buds :)
 
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budtoker0987 said:
Levels meaning nutrient strength, sorry. I've been told in DWC to not keep the ppms as high as you would in a cap ebb and flow. And I just put those 4 dwc ladies into flower today. So as of now they are at 475-510 ppm. Thats RO water. 50ppm cali magic,1ml per gal GE Rapid Start (roots didnt get the BEST start) and we did the 4ml per gallon gh micro, 8ml per g gh bloom (we ran out of grow, hence why i was looking this up, but i just got more of all 3 GMB)

Thats what they are in for "transition" right now. SO, going forward into flower you suggest just running with the whole line up? I mean, i DO have a brand new gallon of KoolBloom, Flora Blend Diamond Nectar, Floralicious Plus, along with the base 3. Would you suggest anything else like a sweetner? like that berry stuff that botanicare has or something similar? Or i have had someone tell me silica..? is there a GE product of that?

I'm gonna check out these charts too , thank you! + rep
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Oh, you can get em a little hotter. Especially with that diamond nectar, just test em out first and look for signs of burning. The charts also have PPMs levels and I've gotten we'll into 1500 before lol so have some buddies, without seeing problems. If you wanna use a sweetener I suggest botanicare sweet, its already broken down and more soluble than the gh version and wont clog up your res or lines like flora nector will!

This is what I use :)
 
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Metalmatt408 said:
Oh, you can get em a little hotter. Especially with that diamond nectar, just test em out first and look for signs of burning. The charts also have PPMs levels and I've gotten we'll into 1500 before lol so have some buddies, without seeing problems. If you wanna use a sweetener I suggest botanicare sweet, its already broken down and more soluble than the gh version and wont clog up your res or lines like flora nector will!

This is what I use :)
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Nice, ya thats what i used in my previous soil grow. Cool cool. What is you PPM coversion set to? .5 or .7? And do you know what the GH feeding schedules ppm totals are off of? I just recently learned there was a difference! lol smh... so while some ppl are saying 1300ppm, thats on .7 conversion where someone witha .5 with the same nute strength will get something around 900 something.. Mine is set to .5, i checked that. And i THINK all meters sold in the US are set to .5, but i could be wrong.

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Shivaskunk

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Once plants put down good roots in DWC they can take a lot. Its just about reading em. I dont disagree Metal. I just use flora micro and Bloom and have results as good as when i would buy expensive nutrients and all sorts of additives. For veg i just do 2x as much micro as bloom and for flower 2x as much bloom as micro (no matter what ppm im feeding). I do have a jug of grow half full that ill use a bit of if i think they need N but really never run into that issue except for super stretchy strains.

..ok i left out PK 13/14...i do use a boost of P and K about halfway through flower after budset and know that it makes a difference. Other than that though years of this hobby jave shown nothing else is needed as long as you jave healthy plants. I go Hempy these days though so ive gotten insanely lazy...no pH no ppm readings because i just dont meed to lol.
 
Shivaskunk

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I have a hannah that does .7 conversion bought locally. The only thing about real high ppms i would caution on is if a strain is predisposed to herm high nutrient levels can cause them to toss nanners even when the plants look fine with just slight tip burn...so i run lower ppms nowdays as im not commercial anymore and i get more than enough smoke.
 
budtoker0987

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Shivaskunk said:
Once plants put down good roots in DWC they can take a lot. Its just about reading em. I dont disagree Metal. I just use flora micro and Bloom and have results as good as when i would buy expensive nutrients and all sorts of additives. For veg i just do 2x as much micro as bloom and for flower 2x as much bloom as micro (no matter what ppm im feeding). I do have a jug of grow half full that ill use a bit of if i think they need N but really never run into that issue except for super stretchy strains.

..ok i left out PK 13/14...i do use a boost of P and K about halfway through flower after budset and know that it makes a difference. Other than that though years of this hobby jave shown nothing else is needed as long as you jave healthy plants. I go Hempy these days though so ive gotten insanely lazy...no pH no ppm readings because i just dont meed to lol.
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None of the extras? Diamond Nectar (my ladies LOVE the foliar spray with this, wont be doing spray in flower tho) Flora Blend, KoolBloom (is that the extra P&K ur talking about?), Floralicious Plus?
 
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Metalmatt408

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GH uses a .5 scale but on their site where they explain PPMS they have a chart you can compare to even if you have a different meter scale.
 
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Lol I'm the same way, I skip using any type of N for flowering unless they ask for it and I do use HPK as well haha. I have small bottles of the rest of e GH line and if something pops up it can be addressed but, well leave all those for another thread right shiva? ;)

i have a Hannah too, everything broke on it lololol fuckin scumbags
 
budtoker0987

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I'll be trying Lucas on one them. 8/16 micro/bloom. 1ml Rapid start for another week and a lil botanicare sweet grape.

the other 3 I'll be using the full line, dilluted a little from the chart totals, and replacing the flora nectar with botanicare sweet.

All will also get 1ml per gallon of h2o2, since my water temps get up to 72-74
 
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