Make no mistake: Medicare for All would cut taxes for most Americans

Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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blu3bird said:
It's so odd that you think immigrants are only brown or black, like there's no such thing as Russian, Bosnian or Croatian immigrants that might go into trucking that would support those statistics
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All race's go into trucking dont they? Its an easy non skilled job to get that pays around and in some cases more than the avg wage. A couple of my mates still do it and allot more have done it at diff stages in their lives.
 
Budley Doright

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Lucky Luke said:
damn. I dont have a plan coverage and not sure what that is to be frank I just have the universal one everyone has. $5.50 for 30 days supply.
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Work health plan, and it sucks. Lots here go without meds due to affordability. I’m waiting for a cardiac ablation and until that happens it’s 7 pills a day :(. There is a 6 month wait for the surgery, universal health care is not the miracle some claim it is.
 
blu3bird

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Lucky Luke said:
All race's go into trucking dont they? Its an easy non skilled job to get that pays around and in some cases more than the avg wage. A couple of my mates still do it and allot more have done it at diff stages in their lives.
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I wouldn't say it's an easy non skilled job by any stretch.

Anybody can get their foot in the door for trucking, it's a job you don't need a college degree for, it can pay above average if you're a good driver and you find the right company to work for

Yes, I've seen every race of people so far in trucking, it's definitely a male dominated industry though. At my company about half of our drivers are Mexican and the other half white and we have one white female OTR driver
 
Lucky Luke

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blu3bird said:
I wouldn't say it's an easy non skilled job by any stretch.

Anybody can get their foot in the door for trucking, it's a job you don't need a college degree for, it can pay above average if you're a good driver and you find the right company to work for

Yes, I've seen every race of people so far in trucking, it's definitely a male dominated industry though. At my company about half of our drivers are Mexican and the other half white and we have one white female OTR driver
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By non skilled its not a Trade or a degree type job.
Ease depends on the work u do. I have one friend who does explosive liquid transport, earns well over 150k a year just going back and forth to the same place everyday- be boring as bat shit, another does interstate earns about 100k. One zips around town in a non articulated and would be lucky to earn $800 a week and one of of my best friends semi retired a couple years ago and went from trucks into a rural school bus driver instead, working an hr in the am and an hr in the PM for $100 a day. So yea the wage is dependent on what u drive and the work u do. But the non articulated licence is pretty easy to get and often the trucking companies will pay for it as they are all short of drivers. Articulated is harder of cause but the pathways are defined and again a driver stepping up will often have the cost covered by his company. Thats a rough run down here of cause but im sure it would be similier in most countries.
Not many here want to drive trucks. the hrs are long and its often weekend work.
 
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Fogdog

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PJ Diaz said:
I'm fairly certain billionaires don't really need insurance, they can just pay the medical bills with cash. My only point is that for medicare to really be great is to ensure that we all have it, including the politicians who will be writing the specific policies to go along with it. If that's the coverage that politicians are forced to have, they will make sure it's good.
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My point is that Bernie's bill is a piece of garbage and should not see the light of day. Voicing opposition to Bernie's bill is not the same as opposing universal healthcare care. There are better alternatives that will make a real difference to a lot of people and Bernie's bill isn't going to help them one bit.
 
blu3bird

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Lucky Luke said:
By non skilled its not a Trade or a degree type job.
Ease depends on the work u do. I have one friend who does explosive liquid transport, earns well over 150k a year just going back and forth to the same place everyday- be boring as bat shit, another does interstate earns about 100k. One zips around town in a non articulated and would be lucky to earn $800 a week and one of of my best friends semi retired a couple years ago and went from trucks into a rural school bus driver instead, working an hr in the am and an hr in the PM for $100 a day. So yea the wage is dependent on what u drive and the work u do. But the non articulated licence is pretty easy to get and often the trucking companies will pay for it as they are all short of drivers. Articulated is harder of cause but the pathways are defined and again a driver stepping up will often have the cost covered by his company. Thats a rough run down here of cause but im sure it would be similier in most countries.
Not many here want to drive trucks. the hrs are long and its often weekend work.
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I've watched videos of the Aussie truckers driving those big ass road trains in the outback, those guys are hardcore lol
 
abandonconflict

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I wouldn't compare the US to China with regard to Healthcare. China matches organs to patients, not the other way around. Almost every person here on RIU supports universal health care, even some trump voters. Those who oppose Bernie and Liz's brain dead plan mostly just don't want M4A.

The fact is, adding between 32 trillion and 49 trillion dollars of additional government spending over the next decade will have to be paid for by someone. Shit ain't free. Just because the debt is nationalized and you get more handouts and free services without apparently having to pay anything, yeah that doesn't mean nobody is paying for it.

The argument that the US should be able to provide M4A because some other countries have universal coverage is a dead end. This math cannot continue until Liz and Bernie provide the numbers. Costs must be drastically reduced before they can be nationalized and even then, there will be tax hikes. It isn't a savings for all and it isn't a savings for all families of four. It isn't even the only kind of bill that saves money for families of four. There are plenty of ways to improve their economic situation without raising my taxes.

Healthy single people don't cost much. We should have the freedom to opt out and keep our cheap private coverage with deductibles.
 
dandyrandy

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Budley Doright said:
Work health plan, and it sucks. Lots here go without meds due to affordability. I’m waiting for a cardiac ablation and until that happens it’s 7 pills a day :(. There is a 6 month wait for the surgery, universal health care is not the miracle some claim it is.
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