HowardWCampbell
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Mammath, the green dragon website I linked to earlier has instructions for heating it on the stove. They say to keep the "jar of mix" at 160-165F for 20 minutes.
Making hash, Oil, Tincture, THC Pills and Butter
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Thanks HWC.
Jester88
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to howard
i assume the oven would speed dry it
and it shouldnt hurt none being wet cept itl have more green chlorophyl. and your not evaporating it down to make hash so i spose it should work..
remembering i dont really do the whole cark thing and i always use dry materials. but i like to get the liquid out. i just wouldnt let it get too hot.
to mammath
thats how i evaporate my alcohol out. no gas or flame stove only use an electric stove
i dont think itdhelp the extraction none the alcohols doing the extraction if you heat it up itd just evaporate out leaving less to help the estraction along. thats just one thig that occured to me....
anyhoo hate to be rude and sorry if the last answers are shit or dont help i gotta go to the doctors and im about to be late lol.... sorry about that
i assume the oven would speed dry it
and it shouldnt hurt none being wet cept itl have more green chlorophyl. and your not evaporating it down to make hash so i spose it should work..remembering i dont really do the whole cark thing and i always use dry materials. but i like to get the liquid out. i just wouldnt let it get too hot.
to mammath
thats how i evaporate my alcohol out. no gas or flame stove only use an electric stove
i dont think itdhelp the extraction none the alcohols doing the extraction if you heat it up itd just evaporate out leaving less to help the estraction along. thats just one thig that occured to me....
anyhoo hate to be rude and sorry if the last answers are shit or dont help i gotta go to the doctors and im about to be late lol.... sorry about that
Jester88
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jester88
just gotta say i remember the film clip when it first came out.. and the chick in white is so dammmn fine
peace
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HowardWCampbell
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The grocery store had 2oz bottles of lemon extract for $1, so I got two of them. I ended up making two batches, so I used both bottles. My first try, I used 3.5g of wet bud. I dried it in the oven @ 200F for 20 minutes. I think it probably needed a little more time in the oven to dry out some more. My temps kept bouncing from 150F-170F on the stove, I had a real hard time keeping them stable. I ended up with about 1oz of tincture after evaporation.
I mixed 1/2oz of it with some dr pepper to try it out. I got a little bit of a buzz from it within a half hour, but I was high already so it was kind of hard to judge. I had the rest of that batch last night with some tea, and without smoking. I had a mild body buzz for a few hours. In my unscientific opinion, I got higher than I would have by eating a similar amount of pot.
The second batch I wanted to make sure the high alcohol % was not affecting my judgment, so I made it much more concentrated. I first heated the weed @ 200F for 30 minutes. I used 5g of wet bud this time. I kept the temperature of the mix much more stable this time while I was heating it. I kept a steady 165-170F temp for 20 minutes. When the 20 minutes was up, I turned the heat down until it was about 125F to let it evaporate some more alcohol out. I left it like that until it there was about 1/4oz of liquid left. I used about 30 drops of that batch in my drink about an hour ago. I have not smoked at all today, so I should be able to form an objective opinion of it. So far, I'm feeling pretty good. Very relaxed feeling, but still clear headed.
I plan to make another batch later this week, once I have some properly dried bud to use. The only thing I'm going to try different is heating the bud to 325F in the oven for 5 minutes. I found a great tincture thread on another forum, and 325F seemed to give the best results for the OP. Here's a link if anyone is interested:
http://boards.cannabis.com/concentrates/82380-definitive-green-dragon-revised-updated-combined.html
I've got to say that the lemon extract worked pretty well, and is easily found at most grocery stores. The flavor is VERY overpowering, so it's best mixed with something that goes well with lemon, such as tea. With my first batch, I could smell the lemon in my drink from several feet away. The smell of the second batch was not anywhere near as noticeable.
I mixed 1/2oz of it with some dr pepper to try it out. I got a little bit of a buzz from it within a half hour, but I was high already so it was kind of hard to judge. I had the rest of that batch last night with some tea, and without smoking. I had a mild body buzz for a few hours. In my unscientific opinion, I got higher than I would have by eating a similar amount of pot.
The second batch I wanted to make sure the high alcohol % was not affecting my judgment, so I made it much more concentrated. I first heated the weed @ 200F for 30 minutes. I used 5g of wet bud this time. I kept the temperature of the mix much more stable this time while I was heating it. I kept a steady 165-170F temp for 20 minutes. When the 20 minutes was up, I turned the heat down until it was about 125F to let it evaporate some more alcohol out. I left it like that until it there was about 1/4oz of liquid left. I used about 30 drops of that batch in my drink about an hour ago. I have not smoked at all today, so I should be able to form an objective opinion of it. So far, I'm feeling pretty good. Very relaxed feeling, but still clear headed.
I plan to make another batch later this week, once I have some properly dried bud to use. The only thing I'm going to try different is heating the bud to 325F in the oven for 5 minutes. I found a great tincture thread on another forum, and 325F seemed to give the best results for the OP. Here's a link if anyone is interested:
http://boards.cannabis.com/concentrates/82380-definitive-green-dragon-revised-updated-combined.html
I've got to say that the lemon extract worked pretty well, and is easily found at most grocery stores. The flavor is VERY overpowering, so it's best mixed with something that goes well with lemon, such as tea. With my first batch, I could smell the lemon in my drink from several feet away. The smell of the second batch was not anywhere near as noticeable.
Jester88
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i preffer to start with dry weed that way no water comes out of the bud.... could you plese do one more testt whenever possible..... dont heat the weed in the oven and just use the alcohol and tell me if theres much of a differance (i dont think ther will be really.....) but it will be good to know
also i would have used a half ozish to a litre of the stuff... and just kept evaporating until the mix was a strength i liked after leaving sit for a few days to a week and agitating every now and then...
dont get me wrong tho im of the oppinion it prolly will help noticibly with leaf tho who knows.... ive just never bothered with that step really
HowardWCampbell
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I would have rather started w/ dry weed too, I just was down to my last couple grams of it so I wanted to conserve. I've got a small perpetual harvest going, and I just cut one down this weekend. So I should have some more dried, but not cured by the end of the week. This particular plant has about 1/3 less trichomes than most of the other stuff I've grown. On top of that, the sample I took of it last week didn't taste all that good. So I may try to save as much of this bud as I can for experiments. I've got another one very close to finishing w/ a much bigger yield and better smell, so I'll have that to smoke on.i preffer to start with dry weed that way no water comes out of the bud.... could you plese do one more testt whenever possible..... dont heat the weed in the oven and just use the alcohol and tell me if theres much of a differance (i dont think ther will be really.....) but it will be good to know
I'll try one batch w/o the oven step just to compare. Did you want me to let the bud soak for a couple weeks, and leave out all heating? Or just skip the oven, but still use the stove?
I was going for speed, that's why I used the stove to evaporate. I think I will make a batch on the stove, then let it evaporate over a few days before I strain the bud out.
I think I could have evaporated some more off the second batch to increase the strength of each drop even more. Yesterday evening, I had 50 drops just to see what would happen. I got pretty high off of it, but it was different than a smoking kind of high. It was much more of a clear headed body high, but not really couchlocked if that makes any sense. It left me functional, and it had a mild euphoric type feeling to it.
Any other requests for experiments? I've learned virtually everything I know about growing from RIU, so I'd be happy to give some knowledge back if I could. I've got quite a bit of free time for the next few weeks, so I'd like to take advantage of it.
I've realized that $1 for 2oz of lemon extract is a great price, so I'm going to buy out the store next time I go. It's $3+ per oz everywhere else I've seen it. After that I'll likely switch to 151 or Everclear, as it's much cheaper per oz. If I can find either of them that is...
HowardWCampbell
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I've never come anywhere close to that point from ingesting weed...but I'm trying
The tincture does seem to get me higher than a comparable amount of weed would in a firecracker or cooking oil. I'm starting to think that eating is less effective for me because I'm already kinda fat, so it takes a while for thc infused fats to work their way through my body. I dunno, just a theory.
Jester88
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ingesting is a different high generally effecting the body mainly my standard dose when eating the stuff at least doubles im fairly sure its the same for anyone... cept my mate eating it gets him wrecked lol. just so ya know not to expect the same thing.....
another thing i use metho i know peope who use acetone for hash making and im fairly healthy (what do use call everclear is it like vodka... just so i know im thinkin of the right stuff)... the best thing to use is ethenol or as close to 100% pure alcohol you can. especialy if ya dry it right down to hash oil.. the less water the better
my experiment
speed dryings cool it shouldnt damage aything really if ya have the temperature right... meaning not over heating... the alcohol actually evaporate ever slow slowly at room temp so ya just want to speeed that up a little....
basically just skip the oven step and make it from there... also when making oil and tincture you want t leave out for a few days to a week or two shaking or agitating it... it helps the alcohol separate the thc aand other psycoactive ingredients all that from the plant matter or your mash.
my expectations are the results wont be that much differant to using the oven..
also working with wet materials is fine i just favour dry especially if making oil or hash cos when the time coes to evaporate the stuff less water makes its way into the mix which makes it take ages to dry.
another thing i use metho i know peope who use acetone for hash making and im fairly healthy (what do use call everclear is it like vodka... just so i know im thinkin of the right stuff)... the best thing to use is ethenol or as close to 100% pure alcohol you can. especialy if ya dry it right down to hash oil.. the less water the better
my experiment
speed dryings cool it shouldnt damage aything really if ya have the temperature right... meaning not over heating... the alcohol actually evaporate ever slow slowly at room temp so ya just want to speeed that up a little....
basically just skip the oven step and make it from there... also when making oil and tincture you want t leave out for a few days to a week or two shaking or agitating it... it helps the alcohol separate the thc aand other psycoactive ingredients all that from the plant matter or your mash.
my expectations are the results wont be that much differant to using the oven..
also working with wet materials is fine i just favour dry especially if making oil or hash cos when the time coes to evaporate the stuff less water makes its way into the mix which makes it take ages to dry.
HowardWCampbell
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n/p Jester. I got 4 2oz bottles of lemon extract today, so I should be able to make a few batches this week. I think I'll go w/ 1gr of dried bud to 1oz of extract, then evaporate down from there. I'll use the same bud for all of these tests to try not to skew the results.
Here's the plan:
Batch #1 Heat bud @ 200F for 20 minutes in the oven, then 20 minutes on the stove @ 165F
Batch #2 Heat bud for 5 minutes @325F in oven, then finish on stove
Batch #3 Soak bud in a sealed container, shaking at least once daily. After 2 weeks, strain mixture. Then I will let the container sit open for a few days to allow some alcohol to evaporate.
Any other suggestions?
Here's the plan:
Batch #1 Heat bud @ 200F for 20 minutes in the oven, then 20 minutes on the stove @ 165F
Batch #2 Heat bud for 5 minutes @325F in oven, then finish on stove
Batch #3 Soak bud in a sealed container, shaking at least once daily. After 2 weeks, strain mixture. Then I will let the container sit open for a few days to allow some alcohol to evaporate.
Any other suggestions?
Jester88
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my views
remembering im no scientist just a person that loves his bud.
i think the oven step could play an advantage for wet weed cos naturally it will dry it and break it down... but dry weed especially if dried and cured properly you should be able to skip that step cos half of its already been done..
remembering i always use dry goods and it seems to work fine skipping the oven..
also i strain then evaporate
a little heat shouldnt damage it much... remember a little heat will speed up evaporation you dont ned much
a question
were you just putting it in the oven and then sticking it on the stove for twenty minutes????
i have done the tests like that already and i find that giving it like a week to sit and shaking it every now and then tends to extract the best.. the longer it sits the more it will extract.
what about this idea just go about your tests they seem good and do one my way.
which is leave it for a weekish remebering to shake every now and then-- strain and filter it-- then let evaporate.. ---test
thanks for this man...
gonna rep ya for the research
remembering im no scientist just a person that loves his bud.
i think the oven step could play an advantage for wet weed cos naturally it will dry it and break it down... but dry weed especially if dried and cured properly you should be able to skip that step cos half of its already been done..
remembering i always use dry goods and it seems to work fine skipping the oven..
also i strain then evaporate
a little heat shouldnt damage it much... remember a little heat will speed up evaporation you dont ned much
a question
were you just putting it in the oven and then sticking it on the stove for twenty minutes????
i have done the tests like that already and i find that giving it like a week to sit and shaking it every now and then tends to extract the best
.. the longer it sits the more it will extract.what about this idea just go about your tests they seem good and do one my way.
which is leave it for a weekish remebering to shake every now and then-- strain and filter it-- then let evaporate.. ---test
thanks for this man...
gonna rep ya for the research
HowardWCampbell
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Jester, I guess I misunderstood. I thought #3 was your way. So you want me to skip the oven and the stove step, and just let is soak for a week or two in a cabinet? After the soak, strain and evaporate. Do I have it right this time? And the weed needs to be dried AND cured?
To answer your question, I was baking it in the oven in a pyrex pie pan. Then I immediately transferred the dried bud to a mason jar containing my 2oz of extract. The mason jar was then placed in a saucepan full of water on the stove and heated to 165F.
I'm under the impression that because the bud was not cured, the oven heating was required to speed up the decarboxylation (sp?) process. If I'm understanding correctly, cured bud has already undergone the process. Am I way off here?
To answer your question, I was baking it in the oven in a pyrex pie pan. Then I immediately transferred the dried bud to a mason jar containing my 2oz of extract. The mason jar was then placed in a saucepan full of water on the stove and heated to 165F.
I'm under the impression that because the bud was not cured, the oven heating was required to speed up the decarboxylation (sp?) process. If I'm understanding correctly, cured bud has already undergone the process. Am I way off here?
Jester88
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dried and cured would be best but just been sufficiently dried should suffice
not al the mash i use is cured lol. bu curing breaks it down and what not anyways a little bit...
nah your tests are all good... you did misunderstand me but if you put this up against all of them its bound to give accurate results..... remember to shake or agitate every now and then it makes sure it doesnt clump together makes sure it gets it all... the alcohol can get saturated too im fairly sure
but yeah youve got it
your up to pace now by the way but i still dont find much diff beetween bud thats been dried (speed drying does lower quality a little bit....
but yeah thats what i think the whole oven step is about
thaanks for your help by the way....
not al the mash i use is cured lol. bu curing breaks it down and what not anyways a little bit...
nah your tests are all good... you did misunderstand me but if you put this up against all of them its bound to give accurate results..... remember to shake or agitate every now and then it makes sure it doesnt clump together makes sure it gets it all... the alcohol can get saturated too im fairly sure
but yeah youve got it
your up to pace now by the way but i still dont find much diff beetween bud thats been dried (speed drying does lower quality a little bit....
but yeah thats what i think the whole oven step is about
thaanks for your help by the way....
HowardWCampbell
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Thanks for the kind words mammath. I'm having a lot of fun with this experimentationFuck this is interesting.
I'm looking forward to making some kick ass tincture.
You guys are a wealth of information and experimentation.
Lovin it...
Now if I could just find someone to pay me to be a weed guinea pig...I'm going to go ahead w/ batches #1 & #2 since they won't take very long.
The bud is still not dry enough for #3 yet. I'm thinking I'll give it about a week to cure once it's done drying. Once #3 is near complete, I will make another batch following either #1 or #2 method, depending which I like better. That should give a fair comparison of the heat vs time methods.
I'm guessing that the tincture with the long soak will extract the most thc. I'm just curious to see if it's enough of a difference to be worth the long wait.
HowardWCampbell
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I was thinking about it some more last night and I decided that I should soak two different batches for two weeks. I'll let one soak as I described before. I'll take the other and preheat it in the oven before it soaks. That should help me figure out if the preheat is doing anything for me.
Last night I made a very small batch with .6 grams of bud. I preheated it @ 325F for 5 minutes. Then I cooked on stovetop as before. I then took the entire dose at once, mixed w/ a coke. The reason I wanted to do this is because all the other times I used tinctures, I never took the whole thing at once. I figured if .6g was a real heavy stone, I might want to reconsider taking an entire gram at once.
It ended up being a nice, pleasant stone. Mildly euphoric, without any major couchlock issues. I went out and played catch for a while, and managed to do alright. So I guess I wasn't too seriously impaired. But I had no doubt that I was feeling it.
Keep in mind this is not any kind of special bud, it's a bagseed grow. And the plant this harvest was from was the least impressive plant I've ever let mature before harvest. That's why I decided to experiment with it. So keep that in mind if you are trying to replicate dosages. I've got a few named strains started now, so a few months from now I may be able to give an update using some quality buds. I would not recommend starting with these doses if you have some quality genetics.
I'm going to cook up #1 & #2 tomorrow, and sample them over the weekend. I'll report back the results.
Last night I made a very small batch with .6 grams of bud. I preheated it @ 325F for 5 minutes. Then I cooked on stovetop as before. I then took the entire dose at once, mixed w/ a coke. The reason I wanted to do this is because all the other times I used tinctures, I never took the whole thing at once. I figured if .6g was a real heavy stone, I might want to reconsider taking an entire gram at once.
It ended up being a nice, pleasant stone. Mildly euphoric, without any major couchlock issues. I went out and played catch for a while, and managed to do alright. So I guess I wasn't too seriously impaired. But I had no doubt that I was feeling it.
Keep in mind this is not any kind of special bud, it's a bagseed grow. And the plant this harvest was from was the least impressive plant I've ever let mature before harvest. That's why I decided to experiment with it. So keep that in mind if you are trying to replicate dosages. I've got a few named strains started now, so a few months from now I may be able to give an update using some quality buds. I would not recommend starting with these doses if you have some quality genetics.
I'm going to cook up #1 & #2 tomorrow, and sample them over the weekend. I'll report back the results.