male plant growing female flowers!
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thats interesting and a great pic. You can still get a crop for the hermie, just wont be as good as pure sensi.....but it works
sepsis
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I purposely seeded this male with its own pollen to see what the seeds would be like. I am wondering if the seeds are more likely to be male due to the plant itself being male. This male hermied only after stress, it wasn't originally hermaphroditic.
DannyGreenEyes
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From what I've been told, seeds carry the genetic info of their parents. Therefore if you use seeds made with a hermie then the seeds have the chance of making a hermie while seeds made by non-hermies have an almost 0% of making a hermie.
It sucks that you lost your male, but why take the chance, right?
Maxzimus
Well-Known Member
for infromation!
Hermies cause problems because they may carry the hermie
trait with their offspring. In fact, genetically the hermie will only
produce female seeds and hermaphrodite seeds. It will never produce a
male seed. If you have ever seen all female seeds been advertised by
seed-banks then you should have the right to know that these seeds
come from female plants which are stressed into producing male
flowers. The plants then self-pollinate themselves and the results are
female and hermaphrodite seeds. In a special case a female known as
an XX female will produce more female seeds than hermaphrodite
seeds. That is how female seeds are created. In general growers try to
keep away from any hermie plants because they will spoil a Sinsemilla
crop. Also having pollen floating around in your grow room from a
hermie plant will spoil everything else including breeding projects.
Abnormal bud growth is a side effect of this. Because the
plant produces male pollen sacks in with female flowers you may
notice that the bud looks different. Also the quantity of female bud
produced is decreased because of pollination.
Early induced flowering is not technically forcing your plant
to flower. If you force flower on one strain that has not pre-flowered it
will flower at roughly the same time as an exact copy of the same
strain which has been flowered only when the pre-flowers appear
naturally. Force flowering simply acts by stressing the plant into a
crisis condition.
Hermies cause problems because they may carry the hermie
trait with their offspring. In fact, genetically the hermie will only
produce female seeds and hermaphrodite seeds. It will never produce a
male seed. If you have ever seen all female seeds been advertised by
seed-banks then you should have the right to know that these seeds
come from female plants which are stressed into producing male
flowers. The plants then self-pollinate themselves and the results are
female and hermaphrodite seeds. In a special case a female known as
an XX female will produce more female seeds than hermaphrodite
seeds. That is how female seeds are created. In general growers try to
keep away from any hermie plants because they will spoil a Sinsemilla
crop. Also having pollen floating around in your grow room from a
hermie plant will spoil everything else including breeding projects.
Abnormal bud growth is a side effect of this. Because the
plant produces male pollen sacks in with female flowers you may
notice that the bud looks different. Also the quantity of female bud
produced is decreased because of pollination.
Early induced flowering is not technically forcing your plant
to flower. If you force flower on one strain that has not pre-flowered it
will flower at roughly the same time as an exact copy of the same
strain which has been flowered only when the pre-flowers appear
naturally. Force flowering simply acts by stressing the plant into a
crisis condition.
DoeEyed
Well-Known Member
Even if you are correct, all the seeds from this plant would be either male or hemie.
Jester88
Well-Known Member
i am of the same oppinion but who am i to argue with already established breeders ya know. truth be told there is value behind the male hemaphorodite plant as to its genetic addition is actually thought to be advantageous as it ups the ratios of females the offspring.for infromation!
Hermies cause problems because they may carry the hermie
trait with their offspring. In fact, genetically the hermie will only
produce female seeds and hermaphrodite seeds. It will never produce a
male seed. If you have ever seen all female seeds been advertised by
seed-banks then you should have the right to know that these seeds
come from female plants which are stressed into producing male
flowers. The plants then self-pollinate themselves and the results are
female and hermaphrodite seeds. In a special case a female known as
an XX female will produce more female seeds than hermaphrodite
seeds. That is how female seeds are created. In general growers try to
keep away from any hermie plants because they will spoil a Sinsemilla
crop. Also having pollen floating around in your grow room from a
hermie plant will spoil everything else including breeding projects.
Abnormal bud growth is a side effect of this. Because the
plant produces male pollen sacks in with female flowers you may
notice that the bud looks different. Also the quantity of female bud
produced is decreased because of pollination.
Early induced flowering is not technically forcing your plant
to flower. If you force flower on one strain that has not pre-flowered it
will flower at roughly the same time as an exact copy of the same
strain which has been flowered only when the pre-flowers appear
naturally. Force flowering simply acts by stressing the plant into a
crisis condition.
well so she says
i see merrit to this point as well so im pretty much level headed on this one sorry guys.
this also doesnt state much as there are breeders and publications made that agree ith the crossing of ruderalis strains and indica and sativa strains for desired effects in there strains ie some lowriders and autoflowring strains are in this categeory. truth is ruderalis is what it is unstable ditch weed that escaped eradication and grows wild. allowing these unstable genetics into the genepools of other strains may ultimately fuck everything up the further its allowed to penetrate IMHO. ultimately what breeders should do is achieve this over time with already proven good strains. there are indicas out there that are known to have autoflowering traits without the influence of ruderalis so it can be done easily enough.
anyhoo back on topic.
sepsis, you really should have polinated another plant, prefferabl a true female.
your seeds will be just a genetic recombination of the mother plant only and ultimately unstable
sepsis
Member
i am of the same oppinion but who am i to argue with already established breeders ya know. truth be told there is value behind the male hemaphorodite plant as to its genetic addition is actually thought to be advantageous as it ups the ratios of females the offspring.
well so she says
i see merrit to this point as well so im pretty much level headed on this one sorry guys.
this also doesnt state much as there are breeders and publications made that agree ith the crossing of ruderalis strains and indica and sativa strains for desired effects in there strains ie some lowriders and autoflowring strains are in this categeory. truth is ruderalis is what it is unstable ditch weed that escaped eradication and grows wild. allowing these unstable genetics into the genepools of other strains may ultimately fuck everything up the further its allowed to penetrate IMHO. ultimately what breeders should do is achieve this over time with already proven good strains. there are indicas out there that are known to have autoflowering traits without the influence of ruderalis so it can be done easily enough.
anyhoo back on topic.
sepsis, you really should have polinated another plant, prefferabl a true female.
your seeds will be just a genetic recombination of the mother plant only and ultimately unstable
wow thank you for the information!
I pollinated a few plants with this male's pollen, but also wanted to see what would happen if I let it pollinate itself as I do not have any females of this particular strain, but am interested in the genetics of this plant. It is a beautiful and vigorous male in veg.
moash
New Member
who said it couldnt be done?lol
would seeds still mature while revegging?
or would it have to stay in 12/12?
wowisuckatthis
Active Member
they should, as long as the pollen made it down the pistil it should make a seed
dduo420
Well-Known Member
I was just about to re-veg and my male NYCD just did the same thing due to stress of mold attacking the roots... I was able to clean that mess up but when I looked close... I saw FEMALE flowers... I wonder if the crop of seeds I just got have the hermie trait... I am thinking yesThis male Sagarmatha plant was kept for breeding. After some stress to its stem it started producing female flowers. I decided to self-polinate it and am eagerly awaiting the results.
Has anyone here done this before btw?
Check out the attached pic.
Back to the drawing board
dogglet forever
Well-Known Member
so it really is possible to stress out a male plant sooo much that he hermies into a she?
moash
New Member
yes.................
