MMJ Dreaming 99
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Thanks for the analysis. I know one of my favorite poster, Dr. Who, is big on Kelp for root growth.
My ex-guru, who knew his nutes but is a bit wacky, liked Kelp with fulvic acid and whey to add for root growth.
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My ex-guru, who knew his nutes but is a bit wacky, liked Kelp with fulvic acid and whey to add for root growth.
Jahworks
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Kelp had its own hormones in it which might explain the ones found in Mammoth P... So I wonder, is it the hormones in the product or the microbes that give it the claimed yield increase...
tpc_mikey
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It is the microbes colonizing your root system, i would suspect the Humic acid plays a big roll as well as it will create nutrient uptake in the root system as well as the microbes so the plants go on a feeding freenzy is my guess. Not sure what does it but i can tell a huge diffrence in my 45th day of flower with clones as opposed to the mother they came off of that didnt get the mammoth p. It is a noticible diffrence i will try to find some pics of her and do a side by side.Kelp had its own hormones in it which might explain the ones found in Mammoth P... So I wonder, is it the hormones in the product or the microbes that give it the claimed yield increase...
Jahworks
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Jahworks
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I have used Humic acid in all my grows and it does increase trich production for sure. And can honestly say that I have used MP and see no difference in my grows, in fact I have seen some indica phenos turn into sativa look a likes after applying MP.... Maybe it is strain related or I got an old batch...either way... I will still keep the synthetic hormones out of my grow. Nice buds though! Keep it up! Respect.
tpc_mikey
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Growing organically in soil, only bottled ferts im using are organic FF big bloom and i do use a dash of FF grow big which isnt organic but its really just for a little extra N at flower other than that everything has been amended into my soils i.e. kelp meal tomatotone green sand bat guano worm castings etc.I have used Humic acid in all my grows and it does increase trich production for sure. And can honestly say that I have used MP and see no difference in my grows, in fact I have seen some indica phenos turn into sativa look a likes after applying MP.... Maybe it is strain related or I got an old batch...either way... I will still keep the synthetic hormones out of my grow. Nice buds though! Keep it up! Respect.
Jahworks
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Nice! I am sure they will be tasty!
greg nr
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ok, here is the issue I have with all of these emotional side by sides. Some favor mp, some don't, but people certainly get emo'd over the results. Meh, they don't mean squat.
I'm growing 4 clones from the same mom right now. They are in the same soil, same tent, same light, they get the same additives. There are differences in the plants. Not huge, but if I could line them up side by side you would see differences, I can't easily because they are planted 2 to a SIP container and in a trellis net.
But If I were running these as a side by side, what would be the lesson? That elixir A worked much better than elixir B?
It would be a false analysis because plants grrow at different rates for a lot of reasons. It is fun to do, but really means nothing other than it reinforces what the experimenter already thought would happen. These aren't double blind tests using hundreds of plants. The growers know exactly which plants get which additives, and some have a personal or financial bias to make it come out a certain way, even if they don't realize it.
But carry on. Carry on. Just don't get angry when someone disagrees with your results.
I'm growing 4 clones from the same mom right now. They are in the same soil, same tent, same light, they get the same additives. There are differences in the plants. Not huge, but if I could line them up side by side you would see differences, I can't easily because they are planted 2 to a SIP container and in a trellis net.
But If I were running these as a side by side, what would be the lesson? That elixir A worked much better than elixir B?
It would be a false analysis because plants grrow at different rates for a lot of reasons. It is fun to do, but really means nothing other than it reinforces what the experimenter already thought would happen. These aren't double blind tests using hundreds of plants. The growers know exactly which plants get which additives, and some have a personal or financial bias to make it come out a certain way, even if they don't realize it.
But carry on. Carry on. Just don't get angry when someone disagrees with your results.
greg nr
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Agree almost completely, but I would just add that the experiments are best judged by you for your environment, and may have no applicability to anyone else.You have this partly right IMO.
The part about the results not being good or maybe being totally misread by those doing them. Absolutely would not be comparable to the results done if we could have access to our dream set up for testing with large quantities of plants. Even if we have the money we would probably get in trouble unless we were a large legal facility. So what are we to do if we only have the ability to grow in a 10x10 space? We do the best we can. Should we not experiment? Should we not share the results because someone may criticize the actions taken. If we didn't experiment who would. Has none of the experimenting done in small grows not benefited others?
Maybe we should listen to the companies who want to sell us the product, there's an idea.
Maybe we won't get mad if someone gets angry or says carry on, carry on or maybe we might say
I experiment also. I run mamoth-p and recharge. Can I stand here and go toe to toe with someone who feels completely opposite? No.
Do "I" believe they help? Yes. But I'm not going to get into a fist fight over it.
Buba Blend
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I deleted my post, I misinterpreted carry on, carry on, as though he should not waste his time experimenting, my bad.Agree almost completely, but I would just add that the experiments are best judged by you for your environment, and may have no applicability to anyone else.
I experiment also. I run mamoth-p and recharge. Can I stand here and go toe to toe with someone who feels completely opposite? No.
Do "I" believe they help? Yes. But I'm not going to get into a fist fight over it.
Afternoon Jones
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I have searched and searched and cannot find this document anywhere. Can you please link it? I actually think that you may have fabricated it.
Also, it would be wise to check the material data sheet registered at the state. You will find that it contains synthetic plant hormones and Polyacrylamide (which contains small amounts of acrylamide, a known neurotoxin) Not sure about adding synthetic plant hormones into my grows or small amounts of known neurotoxins. KEEP IT NATURAL FOLKS!The data I have found is posted below:
As of: 9/25/2017
Product Name: Mammoth P Hydro to Soil / University Tested / Bloom Enhancer / Active Microbial Nutrient Liberator
OMRI Listed: No WSDA Organic Program Listed: No CDFA Listed OIM: No
Registrant: GROWCENTIA - FORT COLLINS, CO (970) 818-3321
Heavy Metals (in Parts Per Million)
Arsenic: 0.005 Cadmium: < 0.005 Mercury: < 0.001 Lead: < 0.005 Nickel: 0.00863
Non Plant Food Ingredients
Humic Acid
Indole3 Butyric Acid
Naphthaleneacetic Acid
Phosphorous Acid
Kelp
Vitamin B1
Polyacrylamide
Potting Mix
Microbial(s) Pseudomonas putida - 20,000,000 cfu/ml
Comamonas testosteroni - 40,000,000 cfu/ml
Citrobacter freundii - 60,000,000 cfu/ml
Enterobacter cloacae - 80,000,000 cfu/ml
Afternoon Jones
Active Member
Why are we to believe what you are saying? Would you mind calling back and recording your phone conversation?
I have searched for the material data sheet that you have posted about and cannot find anything but you posting the same thing on three different forums trying to scare people from using this product. Please link the "Material Data Sheet" so we can see what is happening here
I have searched for the material data sheet that you have posted about and cannot find anything but you posting the same thing on three different forums trying to scare people from using this product. Please link the "Material Data Sheet" so we can see what is happening here