Massachusetts Out Door Grow

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anthonee

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hi i grew 2 plants last summer indoors and didnt end up with much bud probably cause it was my first grow but this time i wana take 3 plants and grow em indoors till next summer so i figure its about 7months till then then i wana move em out side to bud naturally hoping i will get alot more nug then last time i have a few questions tho regarding growin in new england

1. when should i put the plants outside
2. what should i look for when planting outdoors regarding keeping the plant alive and healthy
3.how long does it take for most plants to be fully budded

if theres anything else i should no about growin out side in massachusetts please let me know thanks
 
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Tuxedotokerr

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Look at your areas first frost dates, then determine the soonest you can put them out. Starting them indoors will greatly increase their chances of survival.

There is a ton more Info regarding animals, Grow locations, nutrients, quick finishing strains etc. But im going to leave that for you to look up. Read,read,read... The search function is your encyclopedia. It is good that you are planning early. More planning= more BUD!

-tuxedo-
 
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Master OG Schmoker

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Hey man im from RI and the summer season is identical.
1. I start my plants indoors around mid april for 2-3 weeks and put them outside around mid may.
2. A good soil is a good investment into keeping your plant healthy. ( mushroom compost, Fox farm etc.) I aslo add crushed sea shells to add other key essential hard elements soil and water just dont have.
Also a low to neutral pH is important as a high pH will result in a male. you can keep your waters pH low by adding a few drops of lime juice per gallon of water.
3. This years harvest for me Was 2 1/2 oz. dried of Master Kush. I did everything i said here as well as make sure the spot i put my plant in had at least 6-8 hours daily of direct sunight. I harvested early October and resulted in Ripe, Frosty Buddz.
I hope my advice will help you harvest Some Frosty Buddz of your own
Happy Growing
 
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Rtoke

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Don't Start Too Early Inside or Outdoors

For several reasons! If you are starting outdoors June 1 is perfect. But if I start earlier I will get bigger buds right? Probably Wrong!
It's strange but usually true. ill explain. Plants started in early spring will get big but they will take significantly longer to start flowering. This is because at the peak vegetative period they sense the light cycles getting longer and longer, until June 21. But they don't realize that its time to flower yet. Finally in the middle of August the plant says "HEY" "time to flower already" and it produces buds in August and September or later they will be tall as trees but thinner buds due to the fact that the sun is not as strong in September.

Now if the ganja plants were put out later, as soon as they get a foot off the ground they say "what's going on" I am just in early veggie and the light hours aren't getting longer in fact SHORTER" Then the plants go crazy and since the sun is so bright in July and August you get amazing 6 foot trees that are heavier than the plants started in April!!! in addition to finishing earlier the late started plants are not nearly as noticeable.

Indoors is the same for different reasons. The light cannot penetrate more than a foot or two. So flower when plants are a foot tall. If you wait longer because you want bigger yields, you will get smaller yields and wait longer for them.

hope this helps !!
 
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Tuxedotokerr

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Rtoke said:
Don't Start Too Early Inside or Outdoors

For several reasons! If you are starting outdoors June 1 is perfect. But if I start earlier I will get bigger buds right? Probably Wrong!
It's strange but usually true. ill explain. Plants started in early spring will get big but they will take significantly longer to start flowering. This is because at the peak vegetative period they sense the light cycles getting longer and longer, until June 21. But they don't realize that its time to flower yet. Finally in the middle of August the plant says "HEY" "time to flower already" and it produces buds in August and September or later they will be tall as trees but thinner buds due to the fact that the sun is not as strong in September.

Now if the ganja plants were put out later, as soon as they get a foot off the ground they say "what's going on" I am just in early veggie and the light hours aren't getting longer in fact SHORTER" Then the plants go crazy and since the sun is so bright in July and August you get amazing 6 foot trees that are heavier than the plants started in April!!! in addition to finishing earlier the late started plants are not nearly as noticeable.

Indoors is the same for different reasons. The light cannot penetrate more than a foot or two. So flower when plants are a foot tall. If you wait longer because you want bigger yields, you will get smaller yields and wait longer for them.

hope this helps !!
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I don't think the size of the plant dictates flowering. As soon as the days start getting shorter (or as soon as the plant realizes it) it will start to flower.

Also, you don't have to grow 10ft trees. There's tons of techniques you can perform to keep the plant shorter and spread the canopy abit.

I'm not saying your wrong, just sharing what I have learned throught the years.

-tux-
 
steampick

steampick

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The size of the plant definitely impacts flowering. Both my brother and I planted Arjan Haze 3 this year. Mine were started indoors in early April and put outside
at the end of May. My brother germinated his June 1st and put them outside shortly thereafter. Mine are still trying to finish (had to bring them inside). His
were done 4 weeks ago. My buds are only now approaching what his were and I'll be lucky to get there. His buds were fatter and they finished a month sooner.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
 
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mushroom head

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I started my plant after my buddies, mine got wayy bigger but had tiny buds, he started his 3-4 weeks before mine, and were finished with nice sized buds.

Next year ill have to start indoors 3-4 earlier. Which seems almost opposite of what your saying, cause his plants would have been bigger than mine come flowering time.
 
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mushroom head

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Where I live you have to start them early indoors, if not, they will never finish before the frost, just like mine did, my buddy started his early and harvested at 8 weeks flowering, mine only made it too 4 weeks flowering.

Guess its opposite for you. You have to start em later.
 
steampick

steampick

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I'm in Northern Ontario, so the tendency here is to also start them early indoors to give them a better chance to get big. And bigger is better, right? Wrong. I really think a plant in full veg mode for 3 months does take longer to flip to flowering than, say, one that has not even hit its vegatative stride (by June 21st it'll be 3 week old plant if germed in late May). The big girls take longer to flip and finish.
 
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mushroom head

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Hmm this is weird cause I live in Canada too, and my girls did not finish this year when I planted them with the tomatoes. My friend had his started atleast 2 weeks earlier than mine and his all finished on time. Im gonna have to start em earlier next year otherwise I wont have a chance.
 
steampick

steampick

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I thought yours didn't finish because you got busted? Anyway, 2 weeks differenc isn't that much. Again, I started mine 2 months before my brother. Starting them early DOES NOT help at all with flowering. It simply means a bigger vegetative plant. And that means longer to flip,longer to flower. It aint hard to understand.
 
Talrox

Talrox

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i live in Ontario grew 17 ladies this year my biggest plant finished first and it was growing inside since last Christmas.. the nugs were the size of hard balls ... everyone is arguing a loosing fight here just because it works for lads in the west doesn't mean its going to work for the lads in the east not to mention you have to take into account hundreds of other factors.
light, heat, location, strain ect will affect everything that is being argued here. and steampick if your having problems switching your big girls from veg to flower something is wrong they shouldn't take longer then the little ones for the sole fact that they are guaranteed to be mature enough to flop into flower dude use the facts not the theory
a bigger plant will be easier to flip into flower then a little one who might not even be mature enough to show it's sex
 
Mountainfarmer

Mountainfarmer

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Exactly. There are hundreds of factors that determine when a plant finishes. Two clones from the same plant, grown in different locations will exhibit different charecteristics, and finish at different times.
Talrox said:
i live in Ontario grew 17 ladies this year my biggest plant finished first and it was growing inside since last Christmas.. the nugs were the size of hard balls ... everyone is arguing a loosing fight here just because it works for lads in the west doesn't mean its going to work for the lads in the east not to mention you have to take into account hundreds of other factors.
light, heat, location, strain ect will affect everything that is being argued here. and steampick if your having problems switching your big girls from veg to flower something is wrong they shouldn't take longer then the little ones for the sole fact that they are guaranteed to be mature enough to flop into flower dude use the facts not the theory
a bigger plant will be easier to flip into flower then a little one who might not even be mature enough to show it's sex
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Tuxedotokerr

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Talrox said:
i live in Ontario grew 17 ladies this year my biggest plant finished first and it was growing inside since last Christmas.. the nugs were the size of hard balls ... everyone is arguing a loosing fight here just because it works for lads in the west doesn't mean its going to work for the lads in the east not to mention you have to take into account hundreds of other factors.
light, heat, location, strain ect will affect everything that is being argued here. and steampick if your having problems switching your big girls from veg to flower something is wrong they shouldn't take longer then the little ones for the sole fact that they are guaranteed to be mature enough to flop into flower dude use the facts not the theory
a bigger plant will be easier to flip into flower then a little one who might not even be mature enough to show it's sex
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There we go!
 
steampick

steampick

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if your having problems switching your big girls from veg to flower something is wrong they shouldn't take longer then the little ones for the sole fact that they are guaranteed to be mature enough to flop into flower dude use the facts not the theory

I am using the facts. You might not be. There is no fact I know of that says a plant's maturity "guarantees" it will flower. That's based on light exposure, not plant maturity. This is why you can flip to flower any plant at virtually any time. So, your "fact" is a bit of a theory, and a flawed one at that. Look, we each had the exact the strain (he got his seed from me); we each live in the same part of the province; we each fed them the same fert. His were in a more open field than mine, but that is really the only difference. His finished a month ahead of mine and he germinated in June; me in early April.

But look, you all do what you want. I know how I'm going about it next year.
 
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mushroom head

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I know for sure ill have to start my girls ealier next year cause this year they did not make it, and I planted the seed in the garden late may, and she wouldnt have made it in time for the frost, my buddies on the other hand that started his a few weeks earlier, were done on time, even a bit pre-mature actually, could have been started ealier.
 
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Tuxedotokerr

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steampick said:
if your having problems switching your big girls from veg to flower something is wrong they shouldn't take longer then the little ones for the sole fact that they are guaranteed to be mature enough to flop into flower dude use the facts not the theory

I am using the facts. You might not be. There is no fact I know of that says a plant's maturity "guarantees" it will flower. That's based on light exposure, not plant maturity. This is why you can flip to flower any plant at virtually any time. So, your "fact" is a bit of a theory, and a flawed one at that. Look, we each had the exact the strain (he got his seed from me); we each live in the same part of the province; we each fed them the same fert. His were in a more open field than mine, but that is really the only difference. His finished a month ahead of mine and he germinated in June; me in early April.

But look, you all do what you want. I know how I'm going about it next year.
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Are we still talking about outdoor growing or indoor? If you "flip" a plant outdoor too early, it will go back into reveg. You talked about low light condition for your plant. Could that be part of the long flower time? It doesn't matter you gave the plant the same stuff your buddy gave his. No 2seeds are identical.

Not being a troll, just talking!
-tuxedo-
 
steampick

steampick

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I'm talking about starting them inside early, then putting them outside 'round the start of June. The light conditions for mine were pretty good, but my brother's was exceptional (middle of a treeless field). I don't know, I'm thinking there's
some truth in the small plant transitioning to flower quicker than the taller ones. He also topped his, while I didn't.
 
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