Maximising yield in a commercial grow

Renfro

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Do you think I could put 4 clones in the same 4 inch net pot to get 4 per sqft?
If the roots can grow outside of the pot that might work but a little effort will be required to train the plants to spread out so they won't just drown each other out and end up with runts. I aimed to let each clone grow up through one 6 inch hole in my hortitrellis.

My no veg SoG plants ended up about 40 - 44 inches tall. In a SoG I want a strain that really jumps up when it's flipped to 12/12. Strains that make fat colas, not a bunch of smaller buds like say GSC.
 

SamWE19

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If the roots can grow outside of the pot that might work but a little effort will be required to train the plants to spread out so they won't just drown each other out and end up with runts. I aimed to let each clone grow up through one 6 inch hole in my hortitrellis.

My no veg SoG plants ended up about 40 - 44 inches tall. In a SoG I want a strain that really jumps up when it's flipped to 12/12. Strains that make fat colas, not a bunch of smaller buds like say GSC.
Yeah I’m thinking I may have made a mistake going vertical. I don’t see how I could ever get 40 inch tall plants in that system as they would just be growing into each other... unless I have multiple rows of ScrOG nets but even when the branch is bent over the buds stretch upwards I don’t know if you can see what I mean from this pic but the buds all stretch up towards the sky not towards the light... even with 1000 ppfd
 

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Thundercat

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I've seen some awesome vertical grows over the years. Most of them used screens to support and control the plants to make an effective canopy.

Could you slide your tubes closer together to increase the amount of plants you could run per sq/ft. You might be able to add 30-50% more plants by eliminating the space between each row. Then maybe even try 2 plants per growth sight and add 50% more again.

I'm sure you have noticed certain plants growing differently in the system because of being different phenotypes. Some plants might yield better or worse, some plants might be branchy vs more straight, some plants smell or taste differently. Eliminating all those variables is the advantage to using clones. You can run one or a few phenotypes that perform better than the rest, so that the whole garden does better, tastes better, smells better...... :)

If you found a phenotype that performed well for you and filled the whole system up with clones of that plant, and then used some screen or netting to really support the budding plants you should notice a solid increase in system output. Supporting plants is huge when you want them to yield well.
 

SamWE19

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I've seen some awesome vertical grows over the years. Most of them used screens to support and control the plants to make an effective canopy.

Could you slide your tubes closer together to increase the amount of plants you could run per sq/ft. You might be able to add 30-50% more plants by eliminating the space between each row. Then maybe even try 2 plants per growth sight and add 50% more again.

I'm sure you have noticed certain plants growing differently in the system because of being different phenotypes. Some plants might yield better or worse, some plants might be branchy vs more straight, some plants smell or taste differently. Eliminating all those variables is the advantage to using clones. You can run one or a few phenotypes that perform better than the rest, so that the whole garden does better, tastes better, smells better...... :)

If you found a phenotype that performed well for you and filled the whole system up with clones of that plant, and then used some screen or netting to really support the budding plants you should notice a solid increase in system output. Supporting plants is huge when you want them to yield well.
Thanks for your input buddy. Those pvc pipes cost me 2000 dollars lol they are very expensive where I am from probably because nobody manufactures them from here so it’s all imported. Couldn’t really get many more in. I could possibly get one more vertical stack in between every other pipe so 4 more stacks on each side of my system that would work out 13 stacks of 5 on each side.

My lights provide a canopy of around 3m x 1.4m on each side. So I’d have 65 plants under around 42 sqft that way.

If I had bought 4 inch pipe rather than 6 inch I could probably got 90 plants per side making it 2 per sqft

My best option would be to put 4 clones in each pot and somehow spread them out evenly I think

Although I’ll struggle for space for enough mums for 360 clones every 8 weeks
 
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mustbetribbin

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Here’s a full view of my vertical system...

At the canopy using an apogee par meter I am getting 900-1100ppfd.

I transplanted all these plants into the vertical wall yesterday they were all straight stemmed plants from the dwc system.

Since putting them in the vertical wall the tips have started pointing up and side branches are pointing up.

Any ideas why they aren’t pulling directly to the light and seem to be turning upwards?
What kind of LED setup are you running, what type of spectrum do those diodes cover?

If you aren't supplementing with IR & UV then your plants aren't going to experience optimal growing conditions, you would be leaving 2 very important ends of the non visible spectrum out of your growing area, causing detrimental problems to the growth of your plants, especially if you plan to train them for horizontal growth.
 

SamWE19

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What kind of LED setup are you running, what type of spectrum do those diodes cover?

If you aren't supplementing with IR & UV then your plants aren't going to experience optimal growing conditions, you would be leaving 2 very important ends of the non visible spectrum out of your growing area, causing detrimental problems to the growth of your plants, especially if you plan to train them for horizontal growth.
Citizen 1212 cobs.

That’s a first I've seen many people use cobs on their own with absolutely no problem.
 

Renfro

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If you aren't supplementing with IR & UV then your plants aren't going to experience optimal growing conditions
Incorrect. You actually can grow even better weed without them. IKR? But it's true. Just have to run hotter temps with out the IR. I didn't believe this until I saw the results from my first proper LED grow. Better terpene production was obvious without the IR and UV. UV may seem to promote resin production but it also degrades THC.
 

Renfro

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Just because the sun produces a spectrum doesn't mean the plant likes it or requires it. The whole harvesting after lights out was because of UV degrading the THC. THC levels would be highest right before lights on or sun up. Eliminating the UV from the spectrum eliminates the need to harvest without lighting. Really you gotta try a proper LED grow, not some cheap ass blurple LED but a good one. You will need to run warmer temperatures, save some money on AC. Terpene production will amaze you. THC is a diterpene.
 
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SamWE19

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Just because the sun produces a spectrum doesn't mean the plant likes it or requires it. The whole harvesting after lights out was because of UV degrading the THC. THC levels would be highest right before lights on or sun up. Eliminating the UV from the spectrum eliminates the need to harvest without lighting. Really you gotta try a proper LED grow, not some cheap ass blurple LED but a good one. You will need to run warmer temperatures, save some money on AC. Terpene production will amaze you. THC is a diterpene.
What temp would you recommend with co2 and without co2 using leds? And how would you accurately measure temps? Temp probe within the canopy or IR temp laser on the leaf surface?
 

diggs99

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What temp would you recommend with co2 and without co2 using leds? And how would you accurately measure temps? Temp probe within the canopy or IR temp laser on the leaf surface?

84-87f seem to be a sweet spot for temps with leds , with or without co2 from what I've gathered.


Get an enviro controller with a long wired probe, place it at canopy height. Also temp guns are good to have around to check numerous spots across the crop.

That's a cool very setup man, I'll be following along , best of luck on your journey.
 

SamWE19

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84-87f seem to be a sweet spot for temps with leds , with or without co2 from what I've gathered.


Get an enviro controller with a long wired probe, place it at canopy height. Also temp guns are good to have around to check numerous spots across the crop.

That's a cool very setup man, I'll be following along , best of luck on your journey.
Those temps do seem really high though. I’ve read about 80f but a lot of terps evaporate at that temps I don’t want buds that don’t smell.

Gonna look into using my dwc setup as a sort of nft cloner so I can bin my ez cloner and stack mother’s where I have the ez cloner. 360 clones in my dwc/nft system 8 weeks of rooting then into flower

Trying to figure out if I should invest in a large net or individual plant cones to separate them out atm.

If I go with a net I may need multiple layers of net, need to make sure I can pull the buds out at harvest without chopping stems so I can hang dry.

Plant cones could work but will cost me around 1000 dollars to buy enough of them
 

diggs99

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Nah those temps work fine. My room has been running at 85.4 and 60-70% rh and the plants love it.

I'm not running co2 currently.

I won't drop temps to low 80s(seems too low tbh) until last 2 weeks of flower, I'll drop both temps and rh down to avoid pm and mould.
 

SamWE19

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Nah those temps work fine. My room has been running at 85.4 and 60-70% rh and the plants love it.

I'm not running co2 currently.

I won't drop temps to low 80s(seems too low tbh) until last 2 weeks of flower, I'll drop both temps and rh down to avoid pm and mould.
I’ll have to up my temps a bit then I think. I’m at 25c but that’s with a temp sensor at pot level below canopy. Need to get a ir sensor to be sure

I managed to find a cheap supplier of plant cones..
I wonder if these dimensions would be suitable for my grow.

I can create hooks on my pvc pipe to attach it to and I can make sure each clone goes around the ring so they will have around 6 inches between them... would that be enough space between them or do I need a larger plant cone?
 

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hybridway2

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Just because the sun produces a spectrum doesn't mean the plant likes it or requires it. The whole harvesting after lights out was because of UV degrading the THC. THC levels would be highest right before lights on or sun up. Eliminating the UV from the spectrum eliminates the need to harvest without lighting. Really you gotta try a proper LED grow, not some cheap ass blurple LED but a good one. You will need to run warmer temperatures, save some money on AC. Terpene production will amaze you. THC is a diterpene.
I disagree with your UV lights out chop theory.
Cut them before they piss. Gardeners have been doing this for yrs.
My exhaust fan is set to kick on at lights out & on. The stinky times. Chopping before they stink is released.
Done both & find a day or 2 of darkness before chop ripens them up.
I do believe light companies should offer a sunset/sunrise effect as lame as i once thought it was.
Sudden Humidity swings would be reduced big time, helping many beat the PM if their room is not set-up to handle the swings.
 
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hybridway2

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Those temps do seem really high though. I’ve read about 80f but a lot of terps evaporate at that temps I don’t want buds that don’t smell.

Gonna look into using my dwc setup as a sort of nft cloner so I can bin my ez cloner and stack mother’s where I have the ez cloner. 360 clones in my dwc/nft system 8 weeks of rooting then into flower

Trying to figure out if I should invest in a large net or individual plant cones to separate them out atm.

If I go with a net I may need multiple layers of net, need to make sure I can pull the buds out at harvest without chopping stems so I can hang dry.

Plant cones could work but will cost me around 1000 dollars to buy enough of them
Ive done both & they both have their Pro's n Cons. In end, the easiest, fastest way for me by far was double trellis netting. I run 6" on the bottom & 3.5" on the top. Would be nice to have light movers in my situation though, something you wouldn't want so much if you did individual cages.
First run was tomatoe cages. Didnt cut the mustard. To much buds n branches.
Second run i bought a 5' x 50' roll of 2.5"x5" rectangular whole fencing or around $60 i think, maybe less. Wrapped around each plant with zip ties, cut opening for feeding & training access n pulled on heck of a harvest. Pounder plants n still had room to move them around & walk the room rather then crawling under a net like i did for a few yrs after that.
Many ways, youll find what works best for you. A lil trial n error goes a long way.
 

SamWE19

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Ive done both & they both have their Pro's n Cons. In end, the easiest, fastest way for me by far was double trellis netting. I run 6" on the bottom & 3.5" on the top. Would be nice to have light movers in my situation though, something you wouldn't want so much if you did individual cages.
First run was tomatoe cages. Didnt cut the mustard. To much buds n branches.
Second run i bought a 5' x 50' roll of 2.5"x5" rectangular whole fencing or around $60 i think, maybe less. Wrapped around each plant with zip ties, cut opening for feeding & training access n pulled on heck of a harvest. Pounder plants n still had room to move them around & walk the room rather then crawling under a net like i did for a few yrs after that.
Many ways, youll find what works best for you. A lil trial n error goes a long way.
Can you easily remove whole plants from
The trellis when you harvest without chopping up branches? I imagine buds getting stuck in there
 

SamWE19

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I’ve just realised when drawing up plans I can’t clone in my dwc/nft system as if I don’t get 100% success rate I’ll end up with missing plant sites.

Anyone got any recommendations of cloning methods that use very little space? Currently got an ez cloner which takes up a lot of space (120 site) and i was gonna use that space for mother’s... plus I need enough space for 400 clones
 
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