Medical-marijuana users might want to brush up on their gardening skills. That's because effective
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doingdishes
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so what happened in the Mernaugh case? he was going for Dr's not being the gatekeepers and he lost.
have you looked at what the case is about?
you keep on about we "have the right" and i agree but you have to go through channels. that's the way to be able to grow what we are prescribed.
where do you get we can grow what we want when we want with impunity?
i asked you before and you just say "we can grow" but what i am saying is we can't "just do it" but don't post proof to back up your claim. i refer to the Mernaugh case as it directly opposes what you are saying and I am not aware of any cases since then that deal with it
its going to be legal.
For the sick it is LEGAL NOW!!
No doctors want to sign so they say so where does that leave a sick person?? Court!
there wont be channels
its been pointed out already. Once legal.....
We can grow ...if you are sick you wont be convicted.
We can make meds....if you are sick you will not be convicted.
soon they wont even charge you.....or bother a sick person.
so once again...it is this way its just taking people a while to see it.
and yes...if I went to court..Id get off... no if ands or buts about it. We've seen it already over the last two years with people who don't have even an old license.
Some people are more worried about dying than going to jail or getting in trouble with the Old Bill.
For the sick it is LEGAL NOW!!
No doctors want to sign so they say so where does that leave a sick person?? Court!
there wont be channels
its been pointed out already. Once legal.....
We can grow ...if you are sick you wont be convicted.
We can make meds....if you are sick you will not be convicted.
soon they wont even charge you.....or bother a sick person.
so once again...it is this way its just taking people a while to see it.
and yes...if I went to court..Id get off... no if ands or buts about it. We've seen it already over the last two years with people who don't have even an old license.
Some people are more worried about dying than going to jail or getting in trouble with the Old Bill.
doingdishes
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i have asked you to show where you are right that we have the right to this and you haven't posted anything. i asked if you looked at the Mernaugh case and no comment. that case shows where your thinking is wrong.
Dr's are signing or people wouldn't be in the program. it might be hard to find them but it's very possible.
the part you're not looking at is the fight if you get busted.
i am not sure why you are being so hard headed and not looking at what's being said.
why not test your theory then-grow without pinks and let the cops know.
keep us posted.
Dr's are signing or people wouldn't be in the program. it might be hard to find them but it's very possible.
the part you're not looking at is the fight if you get busted.
i am not sure why you are being so hard headed and not looking at what's being said.
why not test your theory then-grow without pinks and let the cops know.
keep us posted.
GroErr
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Good point, you don't have to have your back against the wall to medicate, there are countless ways to use it and a real alternative to pharma crap.
I've used it and continue to use it for a number of things, at first it got me through my initial battle with cancer and helped with the side effects of chemo and radiation without using ANY PHARMACEUTICALS other than the chemo/radiation treatment pharma drugs. I was able to come out the other end without being addicted to the array of pharma pills the doctors were more than willing to throw my way.
Then I concentrated on edibles as a preventative measure and to get rid of the shit in my system. They kept and still (7 years after a stage 4, get your shit in order diagnosis) keep telling me that it will come back. I'm still considered a "patient", yet the only time I'm a patient is when I go for my tests/check-up every 6 months. They've yet to find any indication that it's still in my system and are literally speechless whenever I go for check ups. I'm perfectly fine, I have no issues related to the cancer, I run a business, I ski, snowboard, play ball hockey and soccer, swim for miles at a time in the summer, I live a perfectly normal and healthy lifestyle. At 56 I've had several friends/acquaintances who have gone through different forms of cancer, a few have survived, most of the survivors are fucking basket cases and hooked on pharma cocktails, they can't function normally, never mind playing sports or being active, they can't even play with their grandkids.
As a bonus of taking my coconut oil/sift caps daily, I can sleep better, I don't suffer from joint or lower back pain which is just age related and normal at my age (not that I don't hurt, particularly after playing sports, I just don't suffer chronically from it to the point of being unable to do things). My migraines have subsided, no arthritis or at least no signs of it. Since I have no other reference and take no other meds, I have to believe and will fight for the right to medicate using MJ as a preventative measure for my cancer and to treat normal aging issues that would otherwise have me taking pharmaceuticals. No MJ program/law will stop me from exercising my right to treat myself whatever way I see fit and the way I believe is best for me.
MJ, as an alternative to many pharma meds is a real option, a beneficial one which could save us billions in health care/pharma costs. Whether you are physically afflicted with a disease or using it preventatively, it is a medicine and can be used to replace many traditional treatments or work with traditional treatments to avoid the very real downhill slide of getting on the perpetual pharma rollercoaster ride.
bigmanc
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I haven't refreshed myself with facts yet. Can't believe it's been so long and most of us have still stuck around the forums and became friends, pretty cool. Anyways, what's the back story to this with "we don't have the right" is this where the prescription/authorization confusion with reasonable access?
The Hippy
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@doingdishes... I feel Gb123 is correct. If you are genuinely ill when you go to court. ....you WILL NOT be convicted. That's just my opinion. If you can prove you illness of course. But if your sick that's easy.
Where we are right now I can't see a judge convicting any sick person right now. Papers or not. It's just become too wild wild west at this point. A good lawyer would point that out.
With EVERYONE knowing legalization is coming, sick folks would be good to go.
IMO GB123 is right about that...if your sick...you can grow on your own property.
If your waiting for Peter Pan to come and wave you in......that's a waste of time. Because right now Peter Pan doesn't know what one hand is doing over the other.
You show a judge your sick...your gold imo...unless your abusing it by selling extra off.
Sure the cops my bust you...but the judge will not convict you for being sick and providing your own meds.
Too me in my mind the risk is very low now. Sometime you gotta let your balls make the decisions imo. This is that case.
And let me tell ya...you drag some sick folks into court and the the judge is gonna make the crown feel like shit. I've seen judges side with defendants right away.
And some sick folks look very sick indeed. Some of these folks could barely make it into court.
The sad picture that would create would nullify many cases. Once again that's my opinion.
Someone sitting there shaking...moaning..in a wheel chair or on a bed...not gonna look good in the press.
If your sick.....grow
Where we are right now I can't see a judge convicting any sick person right now. Papers or not. It's just become too wild wild west at this point. A good lawyer would point that out.
With EVERYONE knowing legalization is coming, sick folks would be good to go.
IMO GB123 is right about that...if your sick...you can grow on your own property.
If your waiting for Peter Pan to come and wave you in......that's a waste of time. Because right now Peter Pan doesn't know what one hand is doing over the other.
You show a judge your sick...your gold imo...unless your abusing it by selling extra off.
Sure the cops my bust you...but the judge will not convict you for being sick and providing your own meds.
Too me in my mind the risk is very low now. Sometime you gotta let your balls make the decisions imo. This is that case.
And let me tell ya...you drag some sick folks into court and the the judge is gonna make the crown feel like shit. I've seen judges side with defendants right away.
And some sick folks look very sick indeed. Some of these folks could barely make it into court.
The sad picture that would create would nullify many cases. Once again that's my opinion.
Someone sitting there shaking...moaning..in a wheel chair or on a bed...not gonna look good in the press.
If your sick.....grow
GroErr
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That for me is better than any piece of paper from HC and why I will continue to grow off the radar
Besides, the cops will be too busy harassing those who have registered to make sure they're buying their seeds from LP's and keep their plant counts in order - lmao
VIANARCHRIS
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Oh, I'm not arguing that we currently have that right, officially, just that I don't agree and feel I have a valid argument. My interpretation of the charter says autonomy of my body is a fundamental right, having to seek out a willing doctor in an environment that ridicules my health choices is an affront to my dignity and an invasion of my privacy. I have irrefutable evidence of my medical condition, it is degenerative and incurable. I also have proof that cannabis is an effective treatment by the fact that I have not consulted a doctor or needed any of the pills they had me on for over 4 years. Forcing me to find a doctor to give me permission to continue to use a plant with no serious side effects is ludicrous. I'm also not suggesting anyone avoid registering because of my views. I'm just at an age and point in my life where standing up for what I want is more important than worrying about cops and courts. What are they gonna do to an old disabled guy who has no criminal record, anyway?
I don't trust doctors and I refuse to consult with one about my life...none of their fucking business. That's just me, and fortunately I don't have to as long as we are covered by the injunction.
The Hippy
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Go grow a set of nuts will ya. Ya fuckin chicken shit baby...if your sick...grow..you are good......now STFU...your lucky you know me or I even talk to you.
GB123 can teach you much. Pay homage dude to his experience and studliness.
I didn't make you look bad...you did not need my help on that !
VIANARCHRIS
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I think I started it. I have decided I don't need no stinkin' doctor or HC to give me permission to grow or use...and I think our charter backs me up. Other's aren't so sure.
VIANARCHRIS
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Primary posters? where the fuck did you come up with that? The board isn't moderated well? Because you don't agree with the posts? You're doing a pretty good job of making yourself look bad, don't blame others now.
Of course we encourage people to break the law...do you think we would have the rights we do now or the impending end of prohibition if we didn't exert some civil disobedience? If the law is unjust, you have a duty to attempt to correct it. We only have rights as long as we demand they are respected.
I guess if you don't like the 'approach' on this board, you should probably look for something a little tamer (disney.com?)....I'm pretty sure we're not going to change for you.
The Hippy
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doingdishes
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ok..so nobody wants to talk facts.
i posted this earlier from THE MERNAUGH CASE!!!
"Among other things, the Appeal Court found the judge was wrong to interpret an earlier ruling as creating a constitutional right to use medical marijuana."
that's from the case itself and has not been challenged.
why go through the hassle of getting busted?? you lose precious resources that you won't get back. if they take your equipment, you don't get it back until the case is over and that could take years...what do you do in the meantime??
why doesn't anyone look at what's being said instead of coming back saying the same thing over and over.
we have the right if we go through the channels.
anyone of you disagree, please grow without the paperwork, let the cops know and keep us posted. i bet you don't get convicted but you sure will go through an expensive hassle and possibly no meds or have to buy them which is more expense.
we have the right to possess and produce if we go through the right channels.
i posted this earlier from THE MERNAUGH CASE!!!
"Among other things, the Appeal Court found the judge was wrong to interpret an earlier ruling as creating a constitutional right to use medical marijuana."
that's from the case itself and has not been challenged.
why go through the hassle of getting busted?? you lose precious resources that you won't get back. if they take your equipment, you don't get it back until the case is over and that could take years...what do you do in the meantime??
why doesn't anyone look at what's being said instead of coming back saying the same thing over and over.
we have the right if we go through the channels.
anyone of you disagree, please grow without the paperwork, let the cops know and keep us posted. i bet you don't get convicted but you sure will go through an expensive hassle and possibly no meds or have to buy them which is more expense.
we have the right to possess and produce if we go through the right channels.
The Hippy
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Facts Change !!!
doingdishes
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yes they do... but when did they change? no one has challenged it again.
The Hippy
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Wake up...the rose have a nice smell. I'd say reading between the line could help here. Somewhere Dylan is singing ... " the times are a changin "
The Hippy
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Your a sitter backer ....some are not. It's just you nature I figure. Your a good guy...just cautious I get that.
doingdishes
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whatever you guys say. i just don't get why no one looks at the facts here instead of saying we have the right when we don't.
wake up?? i KNOW the facts and have shown why i believe that way but NO ONE has posted anything except how their right is this and it's that.
take up the challenge then...grow without the paperwork, tell the cops and see how it goes. yes you won't be convicted but what a hassle! why go through that? geez
wake up?? i KNOW the facts and have shown why i believe that way but NO ONE has posted anything except how their right is this and it's that.
take up the challenge then...grow without the paperwork, tell the cops and see how it goes. yes you won't be convicted but what a hassle! why go through that? geez
doingdishes
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I sit back??!!
i am amazed you said that. how many challenges have you been through? how many people have you guided through the hurdles?
I am and have been VERY active in this fight.
take the challenge then...just do it if you have the balls